Sun Jun 2 07:32:20 2024 EVENTS FREE SOFTWARE INSTITUTE POLITICS JOBS MEMBERS' CORNER MAILING LIST NYLXS Members have a lot to say and share but we don't keep many secrets. Join the Hangout Mailing List and say your peice. DATE 2004-05-01 HANGOUT 2024-06-02 | 2024-05-02 | 2024-04-02 | 2024-03-02 | 2024-02-02 | 2024-01-02 | 2023-12-02 | 2023-11-02 | 2023-10-02 | 2023-09-02 | 2023-08-02 | 2023-07-02 | 2023-06-02 | 2023-05-02 | 2023-04-02 | 2023-03-02 | 2023-02-02 | 2023-01-02 | 2022-12-02 | 2022-11-02 | 2022-10-02 | 2022-09-02 | 2022-08-02 | 2022-07-02 | 2022-06-02 | 2022-05-02 | 2022-04-02 | 2022-03-02 | 2022-02-02 | 2022-01-02 | 2021-12-02 | 2021-11-02 | 2021-10-02 | 2021-09-02 | 2021-08-02 | 2021-07-02 | 2021-06-02 | 2021-05-02 | 2021-04-02 | 2021-03-02 | 2021-02-02 | 2021-01-02 | 2020-12-02 | 2020-11-02 | 2020-10-02 | 2020-09-02 | 2020-08-02 | 2020-07-02 | 2020-06-02 | 2020-05-02 | 2020-04-02 | 2020-03-02 | 2020-02-02 | 2020-01-02 | 2019-12-02 | 2019-11-02 | 2019-10-02 | 2019-09-02 | 2019-08-02 | 2019-07-02 | 2019-06-02 | 2019-05-02 | 2019-04-02 | 2019-03-02 | 2019-02-02 | 2019-01-02 | 2018-12-02 | 2018-11-02 | 2018-10-02 | 2018-09-02 | 2018-08-02 | 2018-07-02 | 2018-06-02 | 2018-05-02 | 2018-04-02 | 2018-03-02 | 2018-02-02 | 2018-01-02 | 2017-12-02 | 2017-11-02 | 2017-10-02 | 2017-09-02 | 2017-08-02 | 2017-07-02 | 2017-06-02 | 2017-05-02 | 2017-04-02 | 2017-03-02 | 2017-02-02 | 2017-01-02 | 2016-12-02 | 2016-11-02 | 2016-10-02 | 2016-09-02 | 2016-08-02 | 2016-07-02 | 2016-06-02 | 2016-05-02 | 2016-04-02 | 2016-03-02 | 2016-02-02 | 2016-01-02 | 2015-12-02 | 2015-11-02 | 2015-10-02 | 2015-09-02 | 2015-08-02 | 2015-07-02 | 2015-06-02 | 2015-05-02 | 2015-04-02 | 2015-03-02 | 2015-02-02 | 2015-01-02 | 2014-12-02 | 2014-11-02 | 2014-10-02 | 2014-09-02 | 2014-08-02 | 2014-07-02 | 2014-06-02 | 2014-05-02 | 2014-04-02 | 2014-03-02 | 2014-02-02 | 2014-01-02 | 2013-12-02 | 2013-11-02 | 2013-10-02 | 2013-09-02 | 2013-08-02 | 2013-07-02 | 2013-06-02 | 2013-05-02 | 2013-04-02 | 2013-03-02 | 2013-02-02 | 2013-01-02 | 2012-12-02 | 2012-11-02 | 2012-10-02 | 2012-09-02 | 2012-08-02 | 2012-07-02 | 2012-06-02 | 2012-05-02 | 2012-04-02 | 2012-03-02 | 2012-02-02 | 2012-01-02 | 2011-12-02 | 2011-11-02 | 2011-10-02 | 2011-09-02 | 2011-08-02 | 2011-07-02 | 2011-06-02 | 2011-05-02 | 2011-04-02 | 2011-03-02 | 2011-02-02 | 2011-01-02 | 2010-12-02 | 2010-11-02 | 2010-10-02 | 2010-09-02 | 2010-08-02 | 2010-07-02 | 2010-06-02 | 2010-05-02 | 2010-04-02 | 2010-03-02 | 2010-02-02 | 2010-01-02 | 2009-12-02 | 2009-11-02 | 2009-10-02 | 2009-09-02 | 2009-08-02 | 2009-07-02 | 2009-06-02 | 2009-05-02 | 2009-04-02 | 2009-03-02 | 2009-02-02 | 2009-01-02 | 2008-12-02 | 2008-11-02 | 2008-10-02 | 2008-09-02 | 2008-08-02 | 2008-07-02 | 2008-06-02 | 2008-05-02 | 2008-04-02 | 2008-03-02 | 2008-02-02 | 2008-01-02 | 2007-12-02 | 2007-11-02 | 2007-10-02 | 2007-09-02 | 2007-08-02 | 2007-07-02 | 2007-06-02 | 2007-05-02 | 2007-04-02 | 2007-03-02 | 2007-02-02 | 2007-01-02 | 2006-12-02 | 2006-11-02 | 2006-10-02 | 2006-09-02 | 2006-08-02 | 2006-07-02 | 2006-06-02 | 2006-05-02 | 2006-04-02 | 2006-03-02 | 2006-02-02 | 2006-01-02 | 2005-12-02 | 2005-11-02 | 2005-10-02 | 2005-09-02 | 2005-08-02 | 2005-07-02 | 2005-06-02 | 2005-05-02 | 2005-04-02 | 2005-03-02 | 2005-02-02 | 2005-01-02 | 2004-12-02 | 2004-11-02 | 2004-10-02 | 2004-09-02 | 2004-08-02 | 2004-07-02 | 2004-06-02 | 2004-05-02 | 2004-04-02 | 2004-03-02 | 2004-02-02 | 2004-01-02 | 2003-12-02 | 2003-11-02 | 2003-10-02 | 2003-09-02 | 2003-08-02 | 2003-07-02 | 2003-06-02 | 2003-05-02 | 2003-04-02 | 2003-03-02 | 2003-02-02 | 2003-01-02 | 2002-12-02 | 2002-11-02 | 2002-10-02 | 2002-09-02 | 2002-08-02 | 2002-07-02 | 2002-06-02 | 2002-05-02 | 2002-04-02 | 2002-03-02 | 2002-02-02 | 2002-01-02 | 2001-12-02 | 2001-11-02 | 2001-10-02 | 2001-09-02 | 2001-08-02 | 2001-07-02 | 2001-06-02 | 2001-05-02 | 2001-04-02 | 2001-03-02 | 2001-02-02 | 2001-01-02 | 2000-12-02 | 2000-11-02 | 2000-10-02 | 2000-09-02 | 2000-08-02 | 2000-07-02 | 2000-06-02 | 2000-05-02 | 2000-04-02 | 2000-03-02 | 2000-02-02 | 2000-01-02 | 1999-12-02 Key: Value: Key: Value: MESSAGE DATE 2004-05-10 FROM From: "Inker, Evan" SUBJECT Subject: [hangout] Miguel de Icaza: Rest of the World to Eventually Force US Into Li nux Miguel de Icaza: Rest of the World to Eventually Force US Into Linux By Eugenia Loli-Queru - Posted on 2004-05-10 02:54:07 at OSNews [http://www.osnews.com/] Last Thursday OSNews had the opportunity to meet Miguel de Icaza, founder of Gnome, Ximian [http://ximian.com/] and among other things leader of the much discussed, Mono [http://go-mono.com/] project. Miguel is a talented and versatile developer but he is also a very intelligent businessman able to understand the industry on many different levels. Talking to Miguel guarantees that you are very quickly taken away by his enthusiasm and optimism and his thoughtful strategies and vision on how OSS will take over the world. The patent issue The discussion quickly got steered into the patent problem. Miguel is very aware of the patent situation in US today and the dangers this [will] mean for Free and Open Source Software (F/OSS). He acknowledges that most patents today should be invalid, as they were filed over trivial technical solutions, but the US patent office seems to be doing a poor job seperating the valid ones from the trivial ones. This situation creates many lawsuits every year in US and according to Miguel, this will only get worse with time. Apparently, for many companies, this is a fast way to make some easy money by suing other companies (over trivial technical matters sometimes). The F/OSS developer community hasn't had the problem upon them yet, but as F/OSS becomes more and more popular, Miguel believes this will eventually become a real problem. Regarding Mono and the Microsoft .NET patents, Ximian is now splitting the "non-free" parts of .NET in Mono, and so OS providers can decide if they want to include in their products the "non-free non-ECMA" portions or not. Apparently, even without the non-free portions, Mono is fully usable, complete with the GTK# bindings, database and other free parts. Miguel knows that a completely "clean" Mono will still find resistance from some OS/distro makers for political reasons, rather than legal or technical ones, and he is prepared for it. Ximian met with Microsoft executives a few months ago -- as part of a symposiuym -- and it's not a secret that Microsoft is aware of the Mono developments. Miguel explains: "If there is indeed a new technology that Microsoft holds a patent to and they do not explicitly allow us to use, we will remove that code, or rework the code in a way that does not infringe the patent. We do not like the current patent environment in the US, but we have to play by the rules." Miguel also gave us a number of technical examples around Corba having technologies for years that Microsoft only now starts to be using in their products. "Longhorn's Indigo or Avalon, all was done before by us and others", said Miguel. "Most of the new technologies in Longhorn have existed in the past in one way or another, but they failed to get shipped with a vehicle as Microsoft Windows to users, so they live only on CVS repositories, old research papers, and old systems." He has so many such examples it that makes him sleep tight at night and not worry about such things. Besides, "it doesn't make sense to not create something just out of fear that it *might* infringe on some patents somewhere," he said, meaning that if developers would be driven by this fear, no developer would be able to develop something today with this huge number of patents in US. But software development does go on, if more carefully than in the past. Taking over the world Because patents will most probably be the cancer of the tech industry in the near furure in US, Miguel is having an alternative plan on how to 'take over the world': starting with the third world. "Poor countries don't have the money to buy and maintain Windows; this is where open source software is becoming a real and powerful alternative," he said. More developed countries also use Linux: Miguel mentioned the 200,000 Debian machines in Spain running Gnome and many other smaller projects using Linux and OSS at many levels: schools, government applications, servers, even on home desktops. And long as EU won't adopt [http://swpat.ffii.org/news/04/cons0507/] similar patent laws like US currently employees, Miguel sees Linux (and F/OSS in general) becoming a major power in the industry, competing head to head with Microsoft in a few years. "Even the Linux desktop is almost usable today", he said semi-joking and continued "if the whole world is using Linux in the future, US will have to 'switch' eventually too, regardless of patent problems. And when that happens, there's no stopping". But Miguel's world take over plan doesn't only go through the third world first, but also through Windows. He believes that what matters are the applications (and the OS as an extension), and if people are using F/OSS applications on any operating system, this is a win-win situation for the F/OSS future. He mentioned the Mozilla, OOo and Gimp examples, applications that thrive on Windows as well as on Unix. Ximian is working on a native port of Evolution 2.0 to Windows using the WIMP engine to make the application look XP-native. Having replaced --with capable alternatives-- the browser, the office suite and now the corporate mail client/PIM application on Windows, this situation can drive adoption of F/OSS faster. Miguel realizes that while, for example, OOo doesn't have all the MS Office features, "it's good enough" and that's a great start for the majority of users. Chatting with Miguel, Page 2/2 Mono on Gnome and Mac OS X We asked about Mono getting included with a Gnome of the near-future, but Miguel is not overly occupied by this thought. If the Gnome community would like to use Mono, great; if not, life goes on and Mono will find application on other parts of the industry's ecosystem. We asked whether a Mac OS X native version of GTK# or Cocoa# is planned, but the answer was negative. Ximian is not working on OSX native toolkit bindings (and he doesn't think that Apple is working on something like it either), however all the other parts of Mono 1.0 will be able to work on Mac OS X natively (and with GTK# via X11). Miguel told us that Quark is using Mono for their next major Quark Xpress release! Apparently Quark is working on Obj-C bindings for Mono. However, the graphical toolkit bindings will be minimal (an update on this here [http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=6989#234389]), so he hopes that Mac enthusiasts will jump in to complete a full Cocoa# solution, or natively port GTK+ 2.x ("shouldn't be too difficult," he said) in order for GTK# to work on top (using the Appearance Manager) and without the use of the awkward (for many Mac users) X11 on top of Aqua. Novell's competition Not everyone is as enthusiastic to use Mono though. Mr Curtis Sasaki of Sun Microsystems told us last September that there are zero chances of Sun including Mono in their Gnome-based JDS desktop. We asked Miguel what he thinks about this and he replied, "That is good news for the Novell-based Linux desktop! This means that they won't be able to use the new Evolution, or F-spot or the handy iFolder. This adds more value to our solution at Novell." He believes that the Glow [http://groupware.openoffice.org/glow/] project (an Evolution-clone based on OOo and Java) started out by Sun exactly because of Sun's fear that Evolution will be using C# in the future, but Miguel is not concerned about Glow, as Evolution is already 4-5 years ahead in development, and he is confident that the high level language of C# will speed up their development even more. Besides, Ximian is also working to achieve interoperation between Evolution with OpenOffice.org. We expressed the thought that the purchase of Ximian and SuSE by Novell must have being quite a shock for Red Hat -- the number one Linux provider in US --, however Miguel is optimistic. The two companies work together on Gnome, and in fact, he believes that the relationship between the two companies is better now than it was in 2001. Miguel is actually a Debian fan: "In terms of adoption, Debian is larger than anything else. What we hope to bring to the table ourselves is not direct competition to Debian, but an enterprise/commercially supported version of Linux." He is aware of how widespread Debian is: "you can find Debian maintainers everywhere else in the world, something that isn't the case for other distros. If anything, we want to *learn* and work with Debian as much as possible, given that its users are a huge contributor to enhancing open source in general." "Its community commitment is fantastic, but is a very hard platform to support for an ISV," he wrote last year on a paper. We asked Miguel about Mandrake, and he said that Mandrake was kept a bit behind developments the past year because of their financial problems, a problem that happened because "they kept funding every F/OSS application out there that they found 'interesting,' without evaluating sensibly if some of that money can come back to the company," Miguel said. Gnumeric and desktop plans The internal co-operation with SuSE and Novell is going great, we were told, with Nat Friedman (co-founder of Ximian) heading and steering the desktop happenings at Novell. Novell itself is moving on deploying SuSE Linux internally to more than 3,000 desktops, and that's a very exciting moment for the company. We asked Miguel about the Gnumeric spreadsheet, a project that Miguel started many years ago. "Jody Goldberg, the new maintainer, loves the project," he said. Miguel is very happy with the developments of Gnumeric, he mentioned that it is now possible to separate the GUI from the engine part, and to use Gnumeric as a library inside other applications.. When compared it to its KDE counterpart, Miguel said: "Last time I checked KSpread had more subtle problems: the computational engine was behind (no dialog box poping up, but definitely not as advanced as Gnumeric, but its not visually obvious from a screenshot)." Near the end of our meeting, we asked Miguel to consider developing a home video editor, as part of Novell's new desktop initiative. Miguel acknowledged the need for such a tool on Linux that is well-designed and usable by normal users, but he mentioned that "in the F/OSS world things are created only if the developer needs them" -- a point he believes is one of the shortcomings of the F/OSS system. "Developers should realize that they don't make applications just for themselves anymore," he said earlier over our UI/usability discussion too. However, Miguel told us that he has already talked to Nat Friedman about a Ximian video application, and that the idea is under consideration while he asked us enthusiastically "and you do know what language that would be written in, right?". "GTK# on Mono, of course," I replied smiling. ( Original Story URL at http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=6989 ) **************************************************************************** This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual or entity named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. This message is provided for informational purposes and should not be construed as an invitation or offer to buy or sell any securities or related financial instruments. GAM operates in many jurisdictions and is regulated or licensed in those jurisdictions as required. **************************************************************************** ____________________________ NYLXS: New Yorker Free Software Users Scene Fair Use - because it's either fair use or useless.... NYLXS is a trademark of NYLXS, Inc 2004-05-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Free Software Guest Speaker 2004-05-30 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Winter International Symposium on Information and Communication Technologies [info-at-intsymict.org] 2004-05-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: I want to donate computers 2004-05-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Kings Games Payment 2004-05-27 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] RE: my toshiba drive 2004-05-27 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Re: [hangout] RE: my toshiba drive 2004-05-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: my toshiba drive 2004-05-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: my toshiba drive 2004-05-27 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] my toshiba drive 2004-05-27 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Subject: [hangout] RE: my toshiba drive 2004-05-27 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Re: I want to donate computers 2004-05-27 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] my toshiba drive 2004-05-27 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] my toshiba drive 2004-05-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] my toshiba drive 2004-05-27 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] my toshiba drive 2004-05-27 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] my toshiba drive 2004-05-27 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] my toshiba drive 2004-05-27 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] my toshiba drive 2004-05-27 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: I want to donate computers 2004-05-27 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] MICROSOFT Contracts 2004-05-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] my toshiba drive 2004-05-27 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] my toshiba drive 2004-05-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] my toshiba drive 2004-05-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [Perl Jobs] PERL/JAVA Integration Position (onsite), United States, NEW YORK, NEW YORK [jobs-admin-at-perl.org] 2004-05-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Free SuSE/Ximian/Novell Tech Software and Tech Resource Kit Offer [gdye-at-novell.com] 2004-05-26 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] my toshiba drive 2004-05-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Why don;t they just call it an anti-semestic act... 2004-05-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Linux Journal Weekly Newsletter - May 26 [html-at-ssc.com] 2004-05-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: gtk client 2004-05-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FREE PHP DAMN IT 2004-05-26 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FREE PHP DAMN IT 2004-05-26 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] my toshiba drive 2004-05-26 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] PC Makers' Love For Linux Boosts Piracy 2004-05-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software from a Medical View 2004-05-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Comcast IS EVIL 2004-05-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] gtk client 2004-05-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FREE PHP DAMN IT 2004-05-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] my toshiba drive 2004-05-25 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] my toshiba drive 2004-05-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Free SuSE/Ximian/Novell Tech Software and Tech Resource Kit Offer [gdye-at-novell.com] 2004-05-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] First look: Sun Java Desktop System Release 2 2004-05-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] First look: Sun Java Desktop System Release 2 2004-05-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] PC Makers' Love For Linux Boosts Piracy 2004-05-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Free SuSE/Ximian/Novell Tech Software and Tech Resource Kit Offer [gdye-at-novell.com] 2004-05-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Checking back in [lara-at-optimumdc.com] 2004-05-25 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] First look: Sun Java Desktop System Release 2 2004-05-25 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] PC Makers' Love For Linux Boosts Piracy 2004-05-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNU/Linux and Counter Culture 2004-05-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software Desktops in the news for Business: Fedora Core evaluation 2004-05-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] UPS and Free Software - When it absolutely, positively - well you know the routine.... 2004-05-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] SCO andGNU/Linux - News from Utah 2004-05-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] France - Not safe at any price... 2004-05-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux News 2004-05-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Technite 2004-05-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Technite 2004-05-23 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Technite 2004-05-23 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Technite 2004-05-23 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Technite 2004-05-23 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Technite 2004-05-23 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Technite 2004-05-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Perfect Game 2004-05-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Novell's Linux Progress 2004-05-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] reference for kernel Bug with mikes microtel machine 2004-05-21 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Viacom Pricing on Freedom-IT Ads 2004-05-21 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Bar Mitzva Invitation 2004-05-21 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] New Linux PC Online Vendor (Could be worth a shot) 2004-05-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Bar Mitzva Invitation 2004-05-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Viacom Pricing on Freedom-IT Ads 2004-05-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Deadline Demo CD 2004-05-20 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Deadline Demo CD 2004-05-20 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] ELECTION RESULTS 2004-05-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] windows server 2003 vs Linux 2004-05-20 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] windows server 2003 vs Linux 2004-05-20 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] PearPC 0.1: Is It A Miracle? 2004-05-19 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] windows server 2003 vs Linux 2004-05-19 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] windows server 2003 vs Linux 2004-05-19 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Putty & Suse 9.1 OpenSSH 2004-05-19 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] windows server 2003 vs Linux 2004-05-19 Spidey309-at-aol.com Subject: [hangout] windows server 2003 vs Linux 2004-05-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [krahmer-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SUSE Security Announcement: cvs (SuSE-SA:2004:013)] 2004-05-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Great Bumper Stickers! 2004-05-18 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Great Bumper Stickers! 2004-05-18 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] UNIGROUP OF NEW YORK - UNIX USERS GROUP - MAY 2004 MEETING 2004-05-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: Correction Re: [hangout] x terminal not working. 2004-05-18 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] WWWAC and You at CeBIT America - 5/25-27 (fwd) 2004-05-18 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: number 3 Correction Re: [hangout] x terminal not working. 2004-05-18 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> number 2 Correction Re: [hangout] x terminal not working. 2004-05-18 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Correction Re: [hangout] x terminal not working. 2004-05-18 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] x terminal not working. 2004-05-18 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: Correction RE: [hangout] General Meeting and Board Meeting - May 12, 2004 RE CAP 2004-05-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: Correction RE: [hangout] General Meeting and Board Meeting - May 12, 2004 RE CAP 2004-05-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: Correction RE: [hangout] General Meeting and Board Meeting - May 12, 2004 RE CAP 2004-05-18 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: Correction RE: [hangout] General Meeting and Board Meeting - May 2004-05-18 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Correction RE: [hangout] General Meeting and Board Meeting - May 2004-05-17 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] General Meeting and Board Meeting - May 12, 2004 RE 2004-05-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Google Changes 2004-05-17 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Tech Night Recap 2004-05-17 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Tech Night Recap 2004-05-17 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Re: [hangout] Tech Night Recap 2004-05-17 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] ELECTION RESULTS 2004-05-17 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] ELECTION RESULTS 2004-05-16 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Suse 9.1 box set 2004-05-16 From: "rc" <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Suse 9.1 box set 2004-05-16 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Free Software E-comerce solution 2004-05-16 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] ELECTION RESULTS 2004-05-16 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] General Meeting and Board Meeting - May 12, 2004 RECAP 2004-05-14 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> RE: [hangout] Fw: Re: Last night's service at CVS 2004-05-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fw: Re: Last night's service at CVS 2004-05-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] Fw: Re: Last night's service at CVS 2004-05-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: [suse-security-announce] SUSE Security Announcement: mc 2004-05-14 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Fw: Re: Last night's service at CVS 2004-05-14 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Fw: Re: Last night's service at CVS 2004-05-14 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Help File Library: Slackware: The Quick and Dirty Quide to Packag es 2004-05-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Novell releases Connector for Exchange under GPL 2004-05-13 Walt Costanza <wjc-at-retsambew.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Mandrakelinux NWL: EU Software Patent Legislation: a real threat for Linux and Open Source 2004-05-13 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] ELECTION RESULTS 2004-05-13 Spidey309-at-aol.com 2004-05-13 Spidey309-at-aol.com Subject: [hangout] ELECTION RESULTS 2004-05-13 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Need New CEO of Brooklyn 2004-05-13 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] General Meeting and Board Meeting - May 12, 2004 RECAP 2004-05-13 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Beer Sayings 2004-05-12 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Novell releases Connector for Exchange under GPL 2004-05-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Novell releases Connector for Exchange under GPL 2004-05-12 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tonights meeting... 2004-05-12 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Tonights meeting... 2004-05-12 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Tonights meeting... 2004-05-12 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Tonights meeting... 2004-05-12 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Tonights meeting... 2004-05-12 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Tonights meeting... 2004-05-12 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Novell releases Connector for Exchange under GPL 2004-05-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Wed meeting location change 2004-05-12 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Wed meeting location change 2004-05-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Wed meeting location change 2004-05-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: Fwd: [hangout] Elections 2004-05-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Wed meeting location change 2004-05-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Wed meeting location change 2004-05-11 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Wed meeting location change 2004-05-11 Peter Siegel <psiegel-at-copper.net> Re: [hangout] Wed meeting location change 2004-05-11 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Wed meeting location change 2004-05-11 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Re: [hangout] HP and GNU/Linux 2004-05-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] HP and GNU/Linux 2004-05-11 Spidey309-at-aol.com Fwd: [hangout] Elections 2004-05-11 Spidey309-at-aol.com Subject: [hangout] Elections 2004-05-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] HP and GNU/Linux 2004-05-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Anyone ever see this? 2004-05-11 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Mandrake, SuSE Offer New Linux Features 2004-05-10 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Miguel de Icaza: Rest of the World to Eventually Force US Into Li nux 2004-05-10 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Well done 2004-05-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Perl Programming Job with mod_perl and apache 2004-05-09 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Tech Night this Sunday at Kings Games? Yes? No? 2004-05-08 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Tech Night this Sunday at Kings Games? Yes? No? 2004-05-08 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] General Membership and Board Meeting 2004-05-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] General Meeting 2004-05-07 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord.altschools.org> Re: [hangout] General Meeting 2004-05-07 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] General Meeting 2004-05-07 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] General Meeting 2004-05-07 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Gartner: Worms Jack Up the Total Cost of Windows 2004-05-07 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] General Meeting 2004-05-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Political Culture and Free Software 2004-05-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software Advocates want greater Software Priracy policing 2004-05-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Libraries running on Free Software 2004-05-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software Ethics 2004-05-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Ipod 2004-05-06 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Freedom-IT planning meeting 2004-05-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [suse-security-announce] SUSE Security Announcement: Live CD 9.1 (SuSE-SA:2004:011) [draht-at-suse.de] 2004-05-06 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] N.Y.'s Top Outdoor Escapes 2004-05-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: vague interview opener questions are irksome [ask-at-develooper.com] 2004-05-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Paging Richard Weinberger 2004-05-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [EmperorLinux-Lincolns-Logbook] How do I pick a new Linux Laptop system and distro? [lincoln-at-EmperorLinux.com] 2004-05-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] More on Redhat Desktops 2004-05-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] More Job Leads 2004-05-04 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Desktop Linux Solutions 2004-05-03 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Perl / MySQL programmer for ad serving company (onsite), United States, New York, New York] 2004-05-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [nycsmalltalk] OpenSkills Skillsbase Project presentation [charles-at-ocit.com] 2004-05-01 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Freedom-IT Publicity 2004-05-13 Spidey309-at-aol.com 2004-05-13 Spidey309-at-aol.com 2004-05-01 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [dank-at-kegel.com: [Lula] Novell User Group looking for a Linux presentation] NYLXS are Do'ers and the first step of Doing is Joining! Join NYLXS and make a difference in your community today!