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From: Joe Schaefer
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2024 16:12:19 -0500
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Subject: Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] HTTPd Devs Considered Harmful to
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You are welcome, colleague!

Keep in mind the SoBs are threatening to release 2.18 as we speak, but like
everything else they do, it=E2=80=99s a dog and pony show in a Potemkin Vil=
lage.

They simply are too lazy, inept, and mendacious to execute.

Use trunk, while it still exists.

Joe Schaefer, Ph.D.

Orion - The Enterprise Jamstack Wiki >

954.253.3732




On Sun, Feb 18, 2024 at 2:12=E2=80=AFPM Mithun Bhattacharya om>
wrote:

> Also thank you for the library !
>
> On Sun, Feb 18, 2024, 1:11=E2=80=AFPM Mithun Bhattacharya om>
> wrote:
>
>> So is there a cleaner/saner version of libapreq2 or is the 2012 version
>> better ?
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 18, 2024, 12:58=E2=80=AFPM Joe Schaefer =
wrote:
>>
>>> For the past 25 years, I have been the lead developer of the libapreq2
>>> subproject within the Apache HTTPd Server Parent Project. The original =
idea
>>> of libapreq as a safe/performant HTML form and Cookie parsing library c=
ame
>>> out of a collaboration between Lincoln Stein and Doug MacEachern in the
>>> late 90s.
>>>
>>> It was my vision back then to transform the library into a generic,
>>> non-Perl related C library that would support language bindings from ot=
her
>>> programming languages, which is why I pushed for the project to be home=
s
>>> under the HTTPd umbrella instead of the Apache-Perl project.
>>>
>>> While this vision was wildly successful, with language bindings
>>> available for several languages like Perl, TCL, R, etc, ever since abou=
t
>>> 2010 its proven tragic for the existing user community consisting of al=
l of
>>> them, not just Perl.
>>>
>>> What happened? Philip Gollucci, a Perl/FreeBSD olleague of mine at the
>>> time, started agitating that we promote the project to be released from
>>> inside the HTTPd server itself. What Philip didn=E2=80=99t know very we=
ll back then
>>> was how utterly vapid and territorial that team had become, which would
>>> have meant having to collaborate with them directly on user-facing
>>> decisions about the code base.
>>>
>>> In 2012, Philip got what he wanted and I stopped resisting, so he forke=
d
>>> the existing project and copied the C library components into HTTPd cor=
e.
>>>
>>> In 2016 I resigned from the Foundation en masse. You can guess the
>>> reasons.
>>>
>>> In 2020 or so, Google=E2=80=99s Security Team took advantage of an alph=
a release
>>> of httpd 2.5 by fuzzing its 8 year old copy of apreq. It found a few
>>> hotspots that needed repair.
>>>
>>> Instead of having the courtesy of reaching out to me, or anyone else
>>> involved in development of apreq, a junior engineer on the HTTPd team w=
ent
>>> about the business of =E2=80=9Cbug fixing=E2=80=9D the vulnerabilities =
Google found. You
>>> can see a record of his trial and error work in every release since the=
n.
>>>
>>> But the coup de grace was the 2022 release of 2.17, wherein the rookie
>>> developer purposely introduced a fatal bug into the codebase, breaking =
a
>>> fifteen year old regression test.
>>>
>>> If you are wondering how something with a broken regression test winds
>>> up on CPAN, you=E2=80=99ll have to look into how RELENG is done in the =
server
>>> project.
>>>
>>> Long story short, they commented out the test and shipped it anyway, an=
d
>>> called it a Security Release that fixed a vulnerability every prior rel=
ease
>>> was susceptible to.
>>>
>>> Why do I care now? Because I=E2=80=99m the sucker users reach out to fo=
r answers
>>> as a known subject matter expert.
>>>
>>> This sucks, but I=E2=80=99m sorry to tell you that my days wearing the =
Superman
>>> cape at Apache ended 8 years ago.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Joe Schaefer, Ph.D.
>>>
>>> Orion - The Enterprise Jamstack Wiki
>>>
>>>
>>> 954.253.3732
>>>
>>>
>>>

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You are welcome, colleague!

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thun Bhattacharya <mithnb-at-gmail.com<=
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collaboration between Lincoln Stein and Doug MacEachern in the late 90s.pan>

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ack then to transform the library into a generic, non-Perl related C librar=
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(246,246,239)">While this vision was wildly successful, with language bindi=
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t 2010 its proven tragic for the existing user community consisting of all =
of them, not just Perl.

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39)">What happened? Philip Gollucci, a Perl/FreeBSD olleague of mine at the=
time, started agitating that we promote the project to be released from in=
side the HTTPd server itself. What Philip didn=E2=80=99t know very well bac=
k then was how utterly vapid and territorial that team had become, which wo=
uld have meant having to collaborate with them directly on user-facing deci=
sions about the code base.

y:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif;font-size:13.3333px;background-color:rgb(246,24=
6,239)">In 2012, Philip got what he wanted and I stopped resisting, so he f=
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ore.

serif;font-size:13.3333px;background-color:rgb(246,246,239)">In 2016 I resi=
gned from the Foundation en masse. You can guess the reasons.

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13.3333px;background-color:rgb(246,246,239)">In 2020 or so, Google=E2=80=99=
s Security Team took advantage of an alpha release of httpd 2.5 by fuzzing =
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apreq, a junior engineer on the HTTPd team went about the business of =E2=
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=3D"color:rgb(130,130,130);font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif;font-size:=
13.3333px;background-color:rgb(246,246,239)">But the coup de grace was the =
2022 release of 2.17, wherein the rookie developer purposely introduced a f=
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=3D"color:rgb(130,130,130);font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif;font-size:=
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t fixed a vulnerability every prior release was susceptible to.

=3D"color:rgb(130,130,130);font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif;font-size:=
13.3333px;background-color:rgb(246,246,239)">Why do I care now? Because I=
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ter expert.

a,sans-serif;font-size:13.3333px;background-color:rgb(246,246,239)">This su=
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You are welcome, colleague!

Keep in mind the SoBs are threatening to release 2.18 as we speak, but like
everything else they do, it=E2=80=99s a dog and pony show in a Potemkin Vil=
lage.

They simply are too lazy, inept, and mendacious to execute.

Use trunk, while it still exists.

Joe Schaefer, Ph.D.

Orion - The Enterprise Jamstack Wiki >

954.253.3732




On Sun, Feb 18, 2024 at 2:12=E2=80=AFPM Mithun Bhattacharya om>
wrote:

> Also thank you for the library !
>
> On Sun, Feb 18, 2024, 1:11=E2=80=AFPM Mithun Bhattacharya om>
> wrote:
>
>> So is there a cleaner/saner version of libapreq2 or is the 2012 version
>> better ?
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 18, 2024, 12:58=E2=80=AFPM Joe Schaefer =
wrote:
>>
>>> For the past 25 years, I have been the lead developer of the libapreq2
>>> subproject within the Apache HTTPd Server Parent Project. The original =
idea
>>> of libapreq as a safe/performant HTML form and Cookie parsing library c=
ame
>>> out of a collaboration between Lincoln Stein and Doug MacEachern in the
>>> late 90s.
>>>
>>> It was my vision back then to transform the library into a generic,
>>> non-Perl related C library that would support language bindings from ot=
her
>>> programming languages, which is why I pushed for the project to be home=
s
>>> under the HTTPd umbrella instead of the Apache-Perl project.
>>>
>>> While this vision was wildly successful, with language bindings
>>> available for several languages like Perl, TCL, R, etc, ever since abou=
t
>>> 2010 its proven tragic for the existing user community consisting of al=
l of
>>> them, not just Perl.
>>>
>>> What happened? Philip Gollucci, a Perl/FreeBSD olleague of mine at the
>>> time, started agitating that we promote the project to be released from
>>> inside the HTTPd server itself. What Philip didn=E2=80=99t know very we=
ll back then
>>> was how utterly vapid and territorial that team had become, which would
>>> have meant having to collaborate with them directly on user-facing
>>> decisions about the code base.
>>>
>>> In 2012, Philip got what he wanted and I stopped resisting, so he forke=
d
>>> the existing project and copied the C library components into HTTPd cor=
e.
>>>
>>> In 2016 I resigned from the Foundation en masse. You can guess the
>>> reasons.
>>>
>>> In 2020 or so, Google=E2=80=99s Security Team took advantage of an alph=
a release
>>> of httpd 2.5 by fuzzing its 8 year old copy of apreq. It found a few
>>> hotspots that needed repair.
>>>
>>> Instead of having the courtesy of reaching out to me, or anyone else
>>> involved in development of apreq, a junior engineer on the HTTPd team w=
ent
>>> about the business of =E2=80=9Cbug fixing=E2=80=9D the vulnerabilities =
Google found. You
>>> can see a record of his trial and error work in every release since the=
n.
>>>
>>> But the coup de grace was the 2022 release of 2.17, wherein the rookie
>>> developer purposely introduced a fatal bug into the codebase, breaking =
a
>>> fifteen year old regression test.
>>>
>>> If you are wondering how something with a broken regression test winds
>>> up on CPAN, you=E2=80=99ll have to look into how RELENG is done in the =
server
>>> project.
>>>
>>> Long story short, they commented out the test and shipped it anyway, an=
d
>>> called it a Security Release that fixed a vulnerability every prior rel=
ease
>>> was susceptible to.
>>>
>>> Why do I care now? Because I=E2=80=99m the sucker users reach out to fo=
r answers
>>> as a known subject matter expert.
>>>
>>> This sucks, but I=E2=80=99m sorry to tell you that my days wearing the =
Superman
>>> cape at Apache ended 8 years ago.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Joe Schaefer, Ph.D.
>>>
>>> Orion - The Enterprise Jamstack Wiki
>>>
>>>
>>> 954.253.3732
>>>
>>>
>>>

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You are welcome, colleague!

div>
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as we speak, but like everything else they do, it=E2=80=99s a dog and pony=
show in a Potemkin Village.

uto">They simply are too lazy, inept, and mendacious to execute.
dir=3D"auto">
Use trunk, while it still exists.<=
br clear=3D"all">


dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Feb 18, 2024 at 2:12=E2=80=AFPM Mi=
thun Bhattacharya <mithnb-at-gmail.com<=
/a>> wrote:
0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Al=
so thank you for the library !

e=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
r=3D"auto">So is there a cleaner/saner version of libapreq2 or is the 2012 =
version better ?

=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Feb 18, 2024, 12:58=E2=80=AFPM Joe Schaefer <href=3D"mailto:joe-at-sunstarsys.com" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">joe=
-at-sunstarsys.com
> wrote:
tyle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> dir=3D"ltr">va,sans-serif;font-size:13.3333px;background-color:rgb(246,246,239)">For th=
e past 25 years, I have been the lead developer of the libapreq2 subproject=
within the Apache HTTPd Server Parent Project. The original idea of libapr=
eq as a safe/performant HTML form and Cookie parsing library came out of a =
collaboration between Lincoln Stein and Doug MacEachern in the late 90s.pan>

f;font-size:13.3333px;background-color:rgb(246,246,239)">It was my vision b=
ack then to transform the library into a generic, non-Perl related C librar=
y that would support language bindings from other programming languages, wh=
ich is why I pushed for the project to be homes under the HTTPd umbrella in=
stead of the Apache-Perl project.

t-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif;font-size:13.3333px;background-color:rgb=
(246,246,239)">While this vision was wildly successful, with language bindi=
ngs available for several languages like Perl, TCL, R, etc, ever since abou=
t 2010 its proven tragic for the existing user community consisting of all =
of them, not just Perl.

erdana,Geneva,sans-serif;font-size:13.3333px;background-color:rgb(246,246,2=
39)">What happened? Philip Gollucci, a Perl/FreeBSD olleague of mine at the=
time, started agitating that we promote the project to be released from in=
side the HTTPd server itself. What Philip didn=E2=80=99t know very well bac=
k then was how utterly vapid and territorial that team had become, which wo=
uld have meant having to collaborate with them directly on user-facing deci=
sions about the code base.

y:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif;font-size:13.3333px;background-color:rgb(246,24=
6,239)">In 2012, Philip got what he wanted and I stopped resisting, so he f=
orked the existing project and copied the C library components into HTTPd c=
ore.

serif;font-size:13.3333px;background-color:rgb(246,246,239)">In 2016 I resi=
gned from the Foundation en masse. You can guess the reasons.

=3D"color:rgb(130,130,130);font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif;font-size:=
13.3333px;background-color:rgb(246,246,239)">In 2020 or so, Google=E2=80=99=
s Security Team took advantage of an alpha release of httpd 2.5 by fuzzing =
its 8 year old copy of apreq. It found a few hotspots that needed repair.p>

font-size:13.3333px;background-color:rgb(246,246,239)">Instead of having th=
e courtesy of reaching out to me, or anyone else involved in development of=
apreq, a junior engineer on the HTTPd team went about the business of =E2=
=80=9Cbug fixing=E2=80=9D the vulnerabilities Google found. You can see a r=
ecord of his trial and error work in every release since then.

=3D"color:rgb(130,130,130);font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif;font-size:=
13.3333px;background-color:rgb(246,246,239)">But the coup de grace was the =
2022 release of 2.17, wherein the rookie developer purposely introduced a f=
atal bug into the codebase, breaking a fifteen year old regression test.>

ont-size:13.3333px;background-color:rgb(246,246,239)">If you are wondering =
how something with a broken regression test winds up on CPAN, you=E2=80=99l=
l have to look into how RELENG is done in the server project.

=3D"color:rgb(130,130,130);font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif;font-size:=
13.3333px;background-color:rgb(246,246,239)">Long story short, they comment=
ed out the test and shipped it anyway, and called it a Security Release tha=
t fixed a vulnerability every prior release was susceptible to.

=3D"color:rgb(130,130,130);font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif;font-size:=
13.3333px;background-color:rgb(246,246,239)">Why do I care now? Because I=
=E2=80=99m the sucker users reach out to for answers as a known subject mat=
ter expert.

a,sans-serif;font-size:13.3333px;background-color:rgb(246,246,239)">This su=
cks, but I=E2=80=99m sorry to tell you that my days wearing the Superman ca=
pe at Apache ended 8 years ago.


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