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Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac]! Re: [wwwac] more about dreamweaver mx
From: Paul Rodriguez
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Date: 15 Jun 2002 04:26:34 -0400
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Speaking of HTML editors, is anybody here working with any of the many
GUI HTML editors for Linux? I'm particularly interested in some
first-hand accounts of the three major ones, Screem, Bluefish, and
Quanta+. What do you like/dislike, what makes you go with one over the
- Paul Rodriguez
On Fri, 2002-06-14 at 02:45, hens wrote:
> On 6/13/02 at 1:51 PM -0400, Duane Douglas wrote:
> > On 2002.06.12 13:02 hens wrote:
> >> On 6/12/02 at 12:49 PM -0400, Duane Douglas wrote:
> >> >> What did you like in particular?
> >> > i like dreamweaver's new interface. it seems more intuitive. it seems
> >> > database objects can now be exposed by dreamweaver (you should love
> >> this,
> >> > hens).
> >> That I do like. There are certainly some nice features in this version.
> >> But it feels like driving a truck. I'm not sure how the added
> >> functionality makes up for a sluggish editing experience.
> > ahhh...the joys of working on a pc instead of a mac!
> Actually, the Mac version is not as slow as I first mentioned. It *is* slow compared to a dedicated text editor like BBEdit, but that's to be expected.
> Now for my real issues. I have played with Dreamweaver extensively for the past two days, trying desperately to like it -- after all, I do like the premise of a WYSIWYG editor with lots of attention to a coder's needs. And at first look, it sure looks like it's all there: inspectors, tag editors, live data.
> The problem is that none of this gets me to work any faster! In fact, I feel it impedes my efficiency in coding a page.
> So you say, it's so much easier to edit a table. That's after you figure out that you must change the view from "Layout" to "Standard" or some such in order to mess with it. You want to add a row at the end? Took me so long to figure that out, going through menus and dialog boxes multiple times only to get it wrong -- I gave up and just TYPED that extra row in code view... Pfft.
> Then I tried to use a table to layout a form. Bad idea! Dreamweaver gets hopelessly confused about which you're trying to edit. Is it a table cell? A form element? How about I want to move both? Yup, that's right: back to code view.
> (All this time I haven't found a reason to use the tag inspector -- in fact I can't see what it does anyway, but it sounded like a great idea...)
> Anyway, I figured I'd move on the "live data" feature. Set up a quick database with three tables and a bunch of entries for each. The connections were made relatively easy, but the PHP it outputs whenever you insert a DB query is kind of clunky. I ended up with a page with tags all over the place, when by hand I could have sufficed with just two.
> It was kind of neat to see this "live data" however in the Design View. Until I wanted to change the name of one of my queries, and Dreamweaver proceeded to replace all the corresponding references, started complaining that there was a problem with the live data and put up a dialog box I couldn't close.
> Force Quit.
> I'll admit that every application has a learning curve. And Dreamweaver is definitely a fine tool for a lot of people. But the simple things I tried to accomplish were things I could have handcoded in minutes. Too many dialog boxes and palettes for my taste. Maybe I'm too old to learn new tricks.
> (I've not totally given up yet though... For some of the /simpler/ sites I manage, i.e. the ones without too many tables or forms or dynamic content, Dreamweaver is not too bad a tool...)
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