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MESSAGE
DATE 2002-06-18
FROM Ruben I Safir
SUBJECT Subject: [hangout] LINC: Using GNU/Linux in Organizing [seth.johnson@RealMeasures.dyndns.org]


On 2002.06.17 23:06 Seth Johnson wrote:


(Forwarded from Global Knowledge Discussion list,
gkd-at-phoenix.edc.org)

-------- Original Message --------
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 16:41 PM -0400
From: Dirk Slater


Dear GKD Members,

What follows is a summary on our Linux project. For more
information on the LINC Project subscribe to LINC-hot-news

or visit our website at .
---------------------------------------------------------

USING LINUX IN ORGANIZING - AN INITIAL SUCCESS!

The Low Income Networking and Communication (LINC) Project
of the Welfare Law Center has helped many low-income led
organizing groups acquire access to the Internet and use
technology more effectively. While these groups have
increased their abilities to communicate with one another
and their allies by using the Internet, one communication
hurdle remains, communicating with their leadership via the
Internet. Despite many "digital divide" initiatives
addressing access to the Internet in low-income communities,
access is still an issue. Public Internet access points,
such as libraries and schools, are not sufficient. Many
low-income leaders do not have access to the Internet where
it would make the most impact -- in their homes. The need
for Internet communication is particularly great for rural
groups whose members live far apart and cannot have frequent
face-to-face meetings because of distance, time and money
constraints.

We began to explore the idea of using Linux, a free
operating system that works well on older computers, when we
learned of Microsoft's decision to discontinue support of
its older operating systems like Windows 95. We had also
been troubled by the frequent problems that occur for
Windows users just by having Windows run on its own. Giving
a person who lives in a rural area an older computer with
Windows seemed like we were just asking for trouble. We also
attempted to identify similar projects but had limited
success.

What did LINC set out to accomplish? We wanted to increase
our ability to provide stable desktop systems using donated
computers for board members and leaders of low-income led
organizations that LINC serves. Our goal is to increase the
ability of LINC Project partner groups to use open-source
software (for a definition on open-source see
http://www.opensource.org/docs/definition_plain.html) to
support their organizing work. We also wanted to document
the project as much as we possibly could, so we could
provide details of our experiences for others doing similar
projects.

What did LINC actually do?

- identified a partner in GRO-Grass Roots Organizing in
Mexico, MO, for our pilot project organization
- identified Linux as the operating system that would run on
older donated computers
- installed Linux on 10 computers and prepared them for use
as stand-alone workstations in people's homes
- installed Linux on a brand new stand-alone computer to
work as the main computer in the GRO office
- set up the main computer (in the GRO office) as a terminal
server to work with one or more of the lower-end donated
computers as clients
- established a relationship with the Mizzou Linux Users
Group for ongoing local support
- conducted a group training for an introduction to the
system
- conducted one-on-one trainings for people getting
computers in their homes
- established a listserv for support issues
- documented our experience in daily journals which were
disseminated over listservs and the web


What were the necessary components in making this project
work:

- GRO - an organization with strong technology saavy and a
clear goal for what these systems would do (allow members to
access the Internet and have word-processing capability),
and people within GRO that were willing to make local
connections and acquire donated computers from the local
university
- 14 Pentium II 2OOmhz computers, with 64 megs of ram and 2
to 3 gig hard drives donated by University of Missouri
Outreach & Extension
- a Microtel PC (from WalMart) with a Celeron 1GHz processor
and 128 megs of ram also donated by University of Missouri
Outreach & Extension
- Linux software: Distribution: Red Hat 7.2 - additional
software: Open Office, AbiWord, Ximian Red Carpet. IPCOP on
the firewall, and the Linux Terminal Server Project in GRO's
office
- Technology Assistance Providers (the LINC Project Circuit
Riders) with solid training backgrounds and a clear
understanding of what GRO is trying to accomplish as an
organization.

What were the challenges (and our solutions):

- Identifying good training materials on Linux (we compiled
and created our own)
- Finding modems that are compatible with Linux systems (we
used external modems)
- Older hardware that kept failing (a lot of creativity)
- Identifying ways to speed up the software installation
process (we tried several methods settling on disk
"cloning")
- Windows users, transitioning to Linux, becoming frustrated
by having to do more steps for tasks than they are used to
and items being in different locations (we urged patience
and practice but we continue to try to identify better
interfaces)
- Securing phone-lines for project participants so they can
connect to the Internet and securing those phone lines for a
period of time (GRO is trying to secure funding to assure
that their board members keep phone lines in their homes)

What's left:

We still have a long way to go before we can call this a
completely successful project. After a period of a few
months we will assess whether the board members are actually
using the computers to communicate more effectively. We also
need to identify and develop training materials to smooth
the transition process for users who were used to working
with Windows. We need to schedule another trip to Mexico,
MO, within the next couple of months to do follow-up work.

We will also be working with a couple of other LINC project
participating groups to see if we can replicate the success
we've had with getting GRO's leaders online.

To view the daily journals on our project with GRO please
visit the LINC Project Linux pages at

--
Dirk Slater
Senior Circuit Rider
Low-Income Networking and Communications (LINC) Project
Welfare Law Center
dirk-at-welfarelaw.org
www.lincproject.org
212-633-6967 ext. 22

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  104. 2002-06-09 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] craigslist postings
  105. 2002-06-09 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] village voice
  106. 2002-06-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] village voice
  107. 2002-06-09 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] village voice
  108. 2002-06-09 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] village voice
  109. 2002-06-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Changing a Label Presentation
  110. 2002-06-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] classes and such
  111. 2002-06-10 Paul Rodriguez <sangretoro-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] Symantec Website
  112. 2002-06-11 Paul Rodriguez <sangretoro-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] I Bid You All Adieu
  113. 2002-06-11 Seth Johnson <seth.johnson-at-realmeasures.dyndns.org> Re: [hangout] Installfests for September, October
  114. 2002-06-11 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] I Bid You All Adieu
  115. 2002-06-11 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] I Bid You All Adieu
  116. 2002-06-11 a1enviro-at-cloud9.net Re: [hangout] Installfests for September, October
  117. 2002-06-11 a1enviro-at-cloud9.net Re: [hangout] Installfests for September, October
  118. 2002-06-11 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] Installfests for September, October
  119. 2002-06-11 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] Installfests for September, October
  120. 2002-06-11 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Journal
  121. 2002-06-11 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Journal
  122. 2002-06-11 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] Installfests for September, October
  123. 2002-06-11 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] Installfests for September, October
  124. 2002-06-11 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Installfests for September, October
  125. 2002-06-11 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Installfests for September, October
  126. 2002-06-11 a1enviro-at-cloud9.net Re: [hangout] Installfests for September, October
  127. 2002-06-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Installfests for September, October
  128. 2002-06-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Installfests for September, October
  129. 2002-06-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Installfests for September, October
  130. 2002-06-11 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] Installfests for September, October
  131. 2002-06-11 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] Installfests for September, October
  132. 2002-06-11 a1enviro-at-cloud9.net Subject: [hangout] Installfests for September, October
  133. 2002-06-11 a1enviro-at-cloud9.net Subject: [hangout] Installfests for September, October
  134. 2002-06-11 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] I Bid You All Adieu
  135. 2002-06-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] I Bid You All Adieu
  136. 2002-06-11 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [hangout] Radio Show
  137. 2002-06-11 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Tuesday 11 June 2002 WWWAC Open Source SIG: Clay Gordon on Heck.com
  138. 2002-06-11 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Tuesday 11 June 2002 WWWAC Open Source SIG: Clay Gordon on Heck.com
  139. 2002-06-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] I Bid You All Adieu
  140. 2002-06-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] I Bid You All Adieu
  141. 2002-06-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [vipertek-at-megalink.net: usergroup]For the Membership Committee
  142. 2002-06-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] classes and such
  143. 2002-06-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] classes and such
  144. 2002-06-11 Paul Rodriguez <sangretoro-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] Summer class schedule
  145. 2002-06-11 Paul Rodriguez <sangretoro-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] Summer class schedule
  146. 2002-06-11 Paul Rodriguez <sangretoro-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] classes and such
  147. 2002-06-11 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] classes and such
  148. 2002-06-11 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Making Virtual Meetings with Free Software
  149. 2002-06-11 a1enviro-at-cloud9.net Re: [hangout] classes and such
  150. 2002-06-11 From: <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Wednesday 12 June 2002 NYSA: David Stenglein on Clustering, Past, Present, and Future
  151. 2002-06-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Making Virtual Meetings with Free Software
  152. 2002-06-10 Paul Rodriguez <sangretoro-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] Washington Post
  153. 2002-06-10 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] I Bid You All Adieu
  154. 2002-06-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Article 2 - GTK Programming
  155. 2002-06-12 From: <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Wednesday 12 June 2002 Mozilla Release Party
  156. 2002-06-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Issues regarding Linux closed source drivers (fwd) [jays-at-panix.com]
  157. 2002-06-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Article 1 - Political Action Report
  158. 2002-06-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Open Source:
  159. 2002-06-12 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Is Ruben the only one...
  160. 2002-06-12 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] Greenpeace cans Windows
  161. 2002-06-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] JOB: "Sysop" [claygordon-at-mindspring.com]
  162. 2002-06-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Is Ruben the only one...
  163. 2002-06-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Is Ruben the only one...
  164. 2002-06-13 From: "News" <news-at-impact-it.net> Subject: [hangout] MITRE Study on Open Source in Government
  165. 2002-06-12 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] I Bid You All Adieu
  166. 2002-06-14 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] I Bid You All Adieu
  167. 2002-06-14 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] I Bid You All Adieu
  168. 2002-06-14 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] I Bid You All Adieu
  169. 2002-06-14 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] I Bid You All Adieu
  170. 2002-06-14 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] I Bid You All Adieu
  171. 2002-06-14 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] I Bid You All Adieu
  172. 2002-06-14 Mark Halegua <phantom21-at-mindspring.com> Re: [hangout] Know your rights - all three of them
  173. 2002-06-14 Mark Halegua <phantom21-at-mindspring.com> Re: [hangout] Know your rights - all three of them
  174. 2002-06-14 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] I updated the radio page on the server
  175. 2002-06-14 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] I updated the radio page on the server
  176. 2002-06-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] adieu (for the summer)
  177. 2002-06-13 Paul Rodriguez <sangretoro-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] adieu (for the summer)
  178. 2002-06-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Job announcement: Systems administrator (human rights and open source/free software) [colleenw-at-bway.net]
  179. 2002-06-13 Jon Bober <bober-at-acm.cs.nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Is Ruben the only one...
  180. 2002-06-13 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Know your rights - all three of them
  181. 2002-06-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Command Sarget Major of Scheduling - Include the dinner
  182. 2002-06-15 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] resource list
  183. 2002-06-15 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] resource list
  184. 2002-06-15 Paul Rodriguez <sangretoro-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] resource list
  185. 2002-06-15 Paul Rodriguez <sangretoro-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac]! Re: [wwwac] more about dreamweaver mx
  186. 2002-06-14 jonathan <jonathan-at-airbatic.com> Subject: [hangout] menace
  187. 2002-06-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] wwwac web-based forum
  188. 2002-06-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] wwwac web-based forum
  189. 2002-06-14 Paul Rodriguez <sangretoro-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] Civili Liberties and spying
  190. 2002-06-14 From: =?utf-8?B?TWljaGFlbCBSaWNoYXJkc29u?= <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] =?utf-8?B?UkU6IFtoYW5nb3V0XSBBcmUgd2UgdXAgdG8gIk9kZCBKb2IiIHN0?= =?utf-8?B?YW5kYXJkcz8=?=
  191. 2002-06-14 Kevin Mark <kmark-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Are we up to "Odd Job" standards?
  192. 2002-06-15 Sunny Dubey <dubeys-at-voyager.bxscience.edu> GNU/Linux within the New York City School System | Was: Re: [hangout] cablevision
  193. 2002-06-15 Paul Rodriguez <sangretoro-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] cablevision
  194. 2002-06-15 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] I updated the craigslist postings
  195. 2002-06-15 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] I updated the craigslist postings
  196. 2002-06-15 Richard Stallman <rms-at-gnu.org> Subject: [hangout] Re: Adobe needs GNU/Linux expert
  197. 2002-06-15 Richard Stallman <rms-at-gnu.org> Subject: [hangout] Re: Adobe needs GNU/Linux expert
  198. 2002-06-16 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Committee members
  199. 2002-06-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Education Center - Tonights Broadcast
  200. 2002-06-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Education Center - Tonights Broadcast
  201. 2002-06-16 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Deadline
  202. 2002-06-16 From: <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Tuesday 18 June 2002 IPCNYCLA: Copyright and the Museum of Comic and Cartoon Art
  203. 2002-06-16 wynkoop-at-wynn.com Subject: [hangout] Real Pulled plug on Linux
  204. 2002-06-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] wwwacs: unnerviing new virus trick with OE preview pane/Word [biteme-at-spamcop.net]
  205. 2002-06-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] wwwacs: unnerviing new virus trick with OE preview pane/Word [biteme-at-spamcop.net]
  206. 2002-06-16 a1enviro-at-cloud9.net Re: [hangout] Command Sarget Major of Scheduling - Include the dinner
  207. 2002-06-16 a1enviro-at-cloud9.net Re: [hangout] Command Sarget Major of Scheduling - Include the dinner
  208. 2002-06-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Longterm NYLXS calendar
  209. 2002-06-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: NYLXS at CUNY
  210. 2002-06-16 Richard Stallman <rms-at-gnu.org> Re: [hangout] Re: Adobe needs GNU/Linux expert
  211. 2002-06-16 Richard Stallman <rms-at-gnu.org> Re: [hangout] Re: Adobe needs GNU/Linux expert
  212. 2002-06-17 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] last night's show
  213. 2002-06-17 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Tonights meeting upgraded to a full board meeting
  214. 2002-06-17 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Tonights meeting upgraded to a full board meeting
  215. 2002-06-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] meeting to discuss accounting desktop
  216. 2002-06-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] meeting to discuss accounting desktop
  217. 2002-06-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] LINC: Using GNU/Linux in Organizing [seth.johnson-at-RealMeasures.dyndns.org]
  218. 2002-06-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] LINC: Using GNU/Linux in Organizing [seth.johnson-at-RealMeasures.dyndns.org]
  219. 2002-06-17 Seth Johnson <seth.johnson-at-RealMeasures.dyndns.org> Subject: [hangout] Current, Open & Ongoing Technology Grants
  220. 2002-06-17 Seth Johnson <seth.johnson-at-realmeasures.dyndns.org> Subject: [hangout] LINC: Using GNU/Linux in Organizing
  221. 2002-06-17 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [hangout] Radio show
  222. 2002-06-17 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] Radio Show updated
  223. 2002-06-19 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] NY times reports Disney switches to Linux for anima
  224. 2002-06-19 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] nfs4 patches being prepared for kernel 2.5
  225. 2002-06-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] JOB FAIR This Tuesday, June 25 Open to all
  226. 2002-06-20 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [alexc2649-at-nyc.rr.com: [hangout] accounting desktop meeting]
  227. 2002-06-20 alex <alexc2649-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] accounting desktop meeting
  228. 2002-06-20 alex <alexc2649-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] accounting desktop meeting
  229. 2002-06-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] IBM Space offers and Downtown Services
  230. 2002-06-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IBM Space offers and Downtown Services
  231. 2002-06-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] perl hash value
  232. 2002-06-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] perl hash value
  233. 2002-06-21 Matus Telgarsky <mit-at-juilliard.edu> Re: [hangout] More on Home Theatre
  234. 2002-06-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Speach for French Program
  235. 2002-06-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Speach for French Program
  236. 2002-06-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Internet Radio
  237. 2002-06-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Internet Radio
  238. 2002-06-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Website updates
  239. 2002-06-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Website updates
  240. 2002-06-21 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] More on Home Theatre
  241. 2002-06-21 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] More on Home Theatre
  242. 2002-06-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] bylaws and website
  243. 2002-06-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IBM Space offers and Downtown Services
  244. 2002-06-21 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] IBM Space offers and Downtown Services
  245. 2002-06-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Packet Forwarding
  246. 2002-06-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Packet Forwarding
  247. 2002-06-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Packet Forwarding
  248. 2002-06-21 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] IBM Space offers and Downtown Services
  249. 2002-06-23 From: <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Monday 24 June 2002 NYLXS: Ruben Safir on the Theory and Practice of Several Communicating Processes, with Special Attention to GTk
  250. 2002-06-23 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Still no addresses in the classes site
  251. 2002-06-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] perl hash value
  252. 2002-06-23 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Custom workflow software
  253. 2002-06-23 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Custom workflow software
  254. 2002-06-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] A Challenge (was: Re: [nyc-g33ks] Ghana's Digital Dilemma and using Linux) (fwd)
  255. 2002-06-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] A Challenge (was: Re: [nyc-g33ks] Ghana's Digital Dilemma and using Linux) (fwd)
  256. 2002-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] TECHEXPO
  257. 2002-06-23 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Multi-Media Tech support needed
  258. 2002-06-23 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] A Challenge (was: Re: [nyc-g33ks] Ghana's Digital Dilemma and using
  259. 2002-06-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Multi-Media Tech support needed
  260. 2002-06-25 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Radio Show Issues [wynkoop-at-wynn.com]
  261. 2002-06-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Radio Show Issues [wynkoop-at-wynn.com]
  262. 2002-06-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Radio Show Issues [wynkoop-at-wynn.com]
  263. 2002-06-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [suse-security-announce] OpenSSH Vulnerability [okir-at-suse.de]
  264. 2002-06-25 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] nyc-based internet radio (fwd)
  265. 2002-06-25 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] [wwwac] nyc-based internet radio (fwd)
  266. 2002-06-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Multi-Media Tech support needed
  267. 2002-06-24 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Multi-Media Tech support needed
  268. 2002-06-24 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] Still no addresses in the classes site
  269. 2002-06-24 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] Still no addresses in the classes site
  270. 2002-06-26 From: <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Wednesday 26 June 2002 Silicon Alley Live Broadcast from TECHXNY and More on the UNIGROUP GNU/Linux Multimedia Meeting
  271. 2002-06-26 a1enviro-at-cloud9.net Subject: [hangout] Diskless terminals question
  272. 2002-06-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Tomorrow Mornings Accountiong Desktop Meeting
  273. 2002-06-26 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] MS to "Take On" GPL
  274. 2002-06-26 From: "Brandon Miller" <brandon-at-careercenters.com> Subject: [hangout] RE: Membership to NYLXS
  275. 2002-06-26 From: "Brandon Miller" <brandon-at-careercenters.com> Subject: [hangout] RE: Membership to NYLXS
  276. 2002-06-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Membership to NYLXS
  277. 2002-06-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Membership to NYLXS
  278. 2002-06-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Recording Sound on a Laptop
  279. 2002-06-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Recording Sound on a Laptop
  280. 2002-06-27 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Radio Show Issues [wynkoop-at-wynn.com]
  281. 2002-06-27 wynkoop-at-wynn.com Re: [hangout] Linux demo at LaGuardia community college
  282. 2002-06-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Linux demo at LaGuardia community college
  283. 2002-06-27 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> RE: [hangout] Linux demo at LaGuardia community college
  284. 2002-06-27 wynkoop-at-wynn.com Re: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Radio Show Issues [wynkoop-at-wynn.com]
  285. 2002-06-27 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Recording Sound on a Laptop
  286. 2002-06-28 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Desktop Initiatvie Meeting (fwd)
  287. 2002-06-30 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> RE: [hangout] Linux demo at LaGuardia community college
  288. 2002-06-30 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Cruise
  289. 2002-06-30 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Shared Secrets using SSH Sentinal fails [ruben-at-www2]
  290. 2002-06-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Membership to NYLXS
  291. 2002-06-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Linux demo at LaGuardia community college
  292. 2002-06-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Linux demo at LaGuardia community college
  293. 2002-06-27 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Domain name registrars
  294. 2002-06-09 Paul Davis <pbd-at-op.net> Subject: [hangout] Re: Changing a Label Presentation
  295. 2002-06-14 Diane Rollins <dr57-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Re: [wwwac]! - weird exclamation point
  296. 2002-06-14 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Re: [wwwac]! - weird exclamation point
  297. 2002-06-14 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Re: [wwwac]! - weird exclamation point
  298. 2002-06-14 Diane Rollins <dr57-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Re: [wwwac]! - weird exclamation point
  299. 2002-06-14 Diane Rollins <dr57-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Re: [wwwac]! - weird exclamation point
  300. 2002-06-14 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Re: [wwwac]! - weird exclamation point
  301. 2002-06-14 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Re: [wwwac]! - weird exclamation point
  302. 2002-06-14 Diane Rollins <dr57-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Re: [wwwac]! - weird exclamation point
  303. 2002-06-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac]! the brain-dead exclamation point solution
  304. 2002-06-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac]! the brain-dead exclamation point solution
  305. 2002-06-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac]! the brain-dead exclamation point solution
  306. 2002-06-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac]! the brain-dead exclamation point solution
  307. 2002-06-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac]! the brain-dead exclamation point solution
  308. 2002-06-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [wwwac]! the brain-dead exclamation point solution
  309. 2002-06-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac]! the brain-dead exclamation point solution
  310. 2002-06-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [wwwac]! programmer for e-commerce website [davis.carla-at-earthlink.net]
  311. 2002-06-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [wwwac]! programmer for e-commerce website [davis.carla-at-earthlink.net]
  312. 2002-06-24 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] Multi-Media Tech support needed
  313. 2002-06-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Multi-Media Tech support needed

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