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Subject: Re: [hangout] Re: Pleeze Pleeze
From: Kevin Milani
To: Ruben Safir
Date: 14 Aug 2002 08:05:32 -0400
Reply-To: Kevin Milani
List: New Yorkers Linux Scene
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If free software ever becomes illegal, I am going to move to another
country. Like Peru...At least their government seems to get it!!
I can imagine that a sizeable percentage of programmers and security
researchers would leave the U.S. if the legal environment gets any more
restrictive than it already is.
Once that happens, America is will experience one of its first "brain
drains." I can imagine that would pretty much put the U.S. at a
significant competitive disadvantage versus the rest of the world in
about 10 years.
This reminds me of the work Deming and Juran (from AT&T) did for Total
Quality Control in manufacturing which was laughed at by American
manufacturers so they took their knowledge to Japan. And within 10
years Japan was kicking American A## in electronics, automotive and
other manufacturing disciplines. It took many years before America came
to their senses and realized that they were getting beat up in the
The very same thing can happen in technology and software if our legal
environment makes Open Source programming and security research
illegal. This is true even if nobody leaves the U.S. to work elsewhere,
because there is a lot of exceptionally talented people all over the
On Tue, 2002-08-13 at 23:38, Ruben Safir wrote:
> This can't be, and this needs to be understood.
> Free Software is a politcal animal, not a technical one.
> It's also a maistream, mother and apple pie issue.
> Free Software will be illegal within 2 years if you don't understand this,
> and the course will be set for a '1984' like society.
> Because the majority of our communications will be taking place through
> digital means, it's our responsibility to make sure that the systems which
> run all our comminications remain Free of manipulation from either Government
> or Business.
> It's the core political issue of our lifetime with a huge impact on the
> future, and our childrens future.
> And it's not just a Free Software issue, but a Free Society issue, a Free
> Library Issue, a Free Political System issue, and MOST IMPORTANTLY, an issue
> of private property and security in your home.
> On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 07:40:22PM -0500, Mark wrote:
> > Gosh guys, lets leave politics out of this, puleeeeze!!!!!!!
> > > Sure, that's an understandable misunderstanding. These days in These
> > > United States it seems (and PLEASE don't take this personally) that the
> > > distinction between Socialists, socialists and Libertarians (are there
> > > libertarians?) is unclear. So whatever it was you read could easily have
> > > lead you to that conclusion.
> > MarkP
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