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| DATE | 2002-08-23 |
| FROM | Ruben I Safir
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| SUBJECT | Subject: [hangout] Re: Immense value of X Terminal Demo
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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:48:37 -0400
From: Ruben I Safir
To: Dimitar Georgievski
Cc: hangout-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com
Subject: [hangout] Re: Immense value of X Terminal Demo
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Great
We can talk more on Saturday Night!
On 2002.08.23 10:52 Dimitar Georgievski wrote:
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> I have also read articles on converting outdated, diskless 486, boxes to X
> terminals. Very impressive. It spares you the trouble of upgrading your
> computers every year or two and not to mention the huge reduction in support
> calls and easier administration of the user applications.
>
> If Brett would like to go for that let's do it. Brett what do you think?
>
> dimitar
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Phil Glaser [mailto:StillSmallVoice-at-DirectvInternet.com]
> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 10:25 AM
> To: Dimitar Georgievski; Ruben Safir
> Cc: Kevin Mark; Brett E. Wynkoop; Jonathan Jacobs; Marco Scoffier
> Subject: Immense value of X Terminal Demo
>
>
>
> Leaving the question of who does the X Terminal demo aside for a moment, I
> just want to say that I have been educating some folks in the non-profit
> world about using X Terminal as a solution for reusing older hardware. You
> see, non-profits frequently get donations of old hardware that they feel
> they can't use because windows is too frickin' slow. For this reason, as
> long as we have some X Terminal presentation by anyone, that can make the
> concepts accessible to an audience with relatively low level of technical
> experience, it will help me attract some folks from non-profits. As the
> Klingons would say, "it will be glorious!"
>
> The demo would be even more convincing if we had a bunch of old hardware (I
> mean, like 486's) to demonstrate just how amazingly fast you can run X
> applications under an X Terminal. This will mean extra power strips,
> monitors, keyboards, mice, and coordination. But: IT WILL BE GLORIOUS!!!
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Phil
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dimitar Georgievski [mailto:dimitarg-at-websyn.com]
> > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 10:28 AM
> > To: Ruben Safir; Phil Glaser
> > Cc: Kevin Mark; Brett E. Wynkoop; Jonathan Jacobs; Marco Scoffier
> > Subject: RE: the minutes from the LinuxDemo meeting
> >
> >
> > Ruben,
> >
> > Do you think it will conflict with Andrew if he does the presentation on
> > Linux terminal server?
> >
> > dimitar
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ruben Safir [mailto:ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 9:05 PM
> > To: Phil Glaser
> > Cc: Dimitar Georgievski; Kevin Mark; Brett E. Wynkoop; Jonathan Jacobs;
> > Marco Scoffier; Ruben I Safir
> > Subject: Re: the minutes from the LinuxDemo meeting
> >
> >
> > X Terminal Projects is something I wanted Brett to Demonstrate.
> >
> > He's really good at it
> >
> >
> > Ruben
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 21, 2002 at 07:07:01AM -0400, Phil Glaser wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >> I am waiting currently on confirmation from David Sugar and need
> > > >> to contact
> > > >> Andrew Williams. Anyone has his email address?
> > >
> > >
> > > I've tried services-at-slademgmt.com before but I don't think it works. The
> > > phone number I have is (973) 484-4990.
> > >
> > > > Paul Rodriquez does
> > >
> > > Paul is out for the summer.
> > >
> > > > , or look up the Linux Terminal Project on the net
> > >
> > > Oh, he does LTP? It would be totally awsome to get a demo of X Terminal.
> > > Very very cool.
> > >
> > > --Phil
> >
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> I wish I could. I am going to a birthday party Sat.
> Thanks for the invite & keep me informed about the Desktop Work, I am very
> interested!
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ruben I Safir [mailto:ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
> > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 10:16 AM
> > To: Dube-at-beimedical.com
> > Cc: 'AKF'; wwwac-at-mrbrklyn.com; hangout-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com; WWWAC List
> > Subject: Re: [wwwac] Lindows faces a reality check
> >
> >
> > You might be interested in the Desktop Work NYLXS is working on now
> >
> >
> > We're giving a Demonstration at CUNY in Queens in October and we
> > have several people who have worked hard on getting a Desktop
> > Program. Linux isn't missing really that much, outside of
> > backward compatability to the MS desktop.
> >
> > BTW
> >
> > We are having a PArty Cruise at 6PM on Saturday Night!
> >
> > Come join us for a few beers.
> >
> >
> > Ruben
> >
> > On 2002.08.23 09:50 "Dube, Paul" wrote:
> > > > Most likely. Still, overall, Macs are a good value. The hardware
> > > > is usually very well made (something that can't be said about
> > > > certain grey box vendors and companies like Gateway), reliable
> > > > and ergonomically friendly so there are some trade offs.
> > > >
> > > > Also, at least for now, Apple doesn't try to ream DRM and
> > > > anti-piracy mechanisms in their system software down your throat
> > > > so there's generally less hassle, etc.
> > > >
> > > > Still, if price and software selection are your main concern,
> > > > WinTel is still the way to go.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Unfortunately, but I am hopeful that Linux become a viable
> > alternative. I am
> > > currently running Open Office & Mozilla on my W2K notebook.
> > The Gimp is a
> > > difficult alternative for PhotoShop because of the learning
> > curve but other
> > > than that, I am working OK. Therefore, I am going to set up
> > a Linux box and
> > > test it. There may be some applications I will have to run
> > on a Mickey$uck$
> > > box but I will set them up to run on a server from Linux
> > (if possible) and
> > > at least minimize my infestation to the bare minimum.
> > > I would not do this if M$ were not moving to a monthly fee
> > with the power to
> > > shut me down. I do not trust them with that power. I still
> > feel that the OS
> > > is part of a toolset and one chooses the proper tool for a
> > job. The problem
> > > is that issues other than suitability to task are coming
> > into play now.
> > > Issues of security way beyond the current type of
> > vulnerabilities found in
> > > the code from a hacker's viewpoint. If M$ builds the
> > ability to turn off my
> > > machine into the code, a hacker will eventually be able to
> > do it too.
> > > Furthermore, M$'s "Secure Computing Initiative" is a joke.
> > They have no more
> > > idea of how to secure a system than they do of building a
> > properly designed
> > > OS. The design of Windows is fundamentally flawed and it
> > will always be so.
> > > *nix may not have all the bells & whistles and software
> > choice of Wintel but
> > > it has always been a properly design system. The core is
> > compiled, nothing
> > > touches the core, applications (including the GUI) are
> > loaded on top of the
> > > core applications are not run (for the most part) as the
> > most powerful user,
> > > and crashing an application doesn't bother other apps
> > (again, for the most
> > > part).
> > > Other advantages of *nix is that you can have multiple and different
> > > versions of 'shared libraries' (read DLLs). So, while _this
> > group_ of
> > > applications needs v1.2, *that group* can run on v3.4, etc.
> > This is not
> > > possible in the M$ world and they do not want it to be.
> > They want to control
> > > the libraries themselves but they relinquish control by
> > allowing ISVs to
> > > write their own versions! DUH!
> > >
> > >
> > > sigh
> > >
> > >
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> Having been in other European countries, I can say some are certainly
> better than the French, but not always by very much, in their attitude
> about Americans or tolerance of others in general. People in many
> European countries in general also have no direct concept of democratic
> freedom and what that really means even though many are at least
> "officially" living in democratic nations today. In some places they do
> understand the concept of rights but not the part about the
> responsibilities of freedom. In most they do not really have a strong
> grasp of the concept of democratic government as being government
> deriving it's legitimacy from the people directly (and we are forgetting
> this idea here ourselves...). If we look at the EU as an institution,
> what the Europeans have really done is re-created the old (middle ages)
> holy roman empire in a somewhat more sufisticated and sectarian form.
>
> Ruben I Safir wrote:
>
> >I';ve given my experience there a lot of thought, and I haven't come to
> >many good conclussions about the French, or most of Europe.
> >
> >They have serious problems.
> >
> >
> >On 2002.08.23 10:12 David Sugar wrote:
> >
> >
> >>They didn't seem to appreciate the last time something american was
> >>overruning the countryside either, even though it was to liberate them...:)
> >>
> >>Ruben I Safir wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/20/science/earth/20MANA.html?pagewanted=2
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Also, by wittingly and unwittingly moving myriad species around the globe,
> >>>humans have become a biological blender, carrying West Nile virus to
> >>>America and overrunning the Bordeaux countryside in France with American
> >>>bullfrogs that residents say do not even taste good.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>-
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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