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DATE 2002-08-22
FROM Ruben I Safir
SUBJECT Subject: [hangout] A recision is a good thing

Shortage Ends as City Lures New Teachers
By ABBY GOODNOUGH

After years of struggling to recruit enough certified teachers to fill even half of its classroom vacancies, New York City has attracted more than 8,000 qualified candidates for the fall, in effect ending what school officials called the most crippling teacher shortage in decades.

Education officials attribute the striking increase in certified applicants to the floundering economy and to a recent contract agreement that raised entry-level teacher salaries to $39,000 from $31,910. In addition, an alternative form of certification that requires far less training has drawn several thousand people who might never have considered teaching otherwise. New York City has 80,000 teachers, of whom 16 percent were uncertified last year.
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As of last week, the school system said, it had offered jobs to 8,300 certified teachers, meaning they have passed the requisite exams and education courses. (For permanent certification, teachers must get a master's degree by the end of their fifth year.) Harold O. Levy, who stepped down last week as schools chancellor, said then that he expected certified teachers to fill at least 90 percent of the vacancies in September. In contrast, only half the teachers hired in 2001 were certified; in other recent years, the number dipped as low as 40 percent.

To fill the void, the school system had resorted to hiring thousands of uncertified teachers with little or no training, many of whom had repeatedly failed the state licensing exams. School officials used to refer to this last-minute hiring as the fogged-mirror test: if a mirror held to the applicant's mouth fogged, they joked, the applicant was clearly breathing and therefore met the basic qualification for teaching in New York.

The tide began to turn in 2000, when the State Board of Regents adopted a new policy requiring that all New York City teachers be certified by September 2003. As a first step, the policy ? enforced by court order ? barred the city from placing uncertified teachers in its 100 lowest-performing schools in 2000-01.

In response, Mr. Levy hastily created an alternative certification program that recruited career-changers and recent college graduates with no teaching experience, gave them a month of intensive education courses and assigned them to those lowest-performing schools.

As part of the program, approved by the state, the school system paid for these novice teachers to get master's degrees in education during their first few years on the job. The program, New York City Teaching Fellows, has expanded tenfold and will place 2,000 new recruits in city schools in September. They will join about 1,500 teaching fellows already in the system.

Altogether, about 2,500, or 30 percent, of the new certified teachers this fall will have alternative certification. In addition to the teaching fellows, they include nearly 200 recruits from Teach for America, the nonprofit group that places recent college graduates in troubled schools after a summer of training, and about 300 from other alternate-route programs.

Since these recruits have not spent nearly as much time learning how to teach as those with traditional certification ? many of whom took education courses in college and completed student-teaching stints ? some educators question whether they really count as qualified teachers. "It's a disingenuous claim," said Arthur Levine, the president of Teachers College at Columbia University. "New York has reclassified what it means to be a certified teacher, and what it means is we will still have large numbers of students this fall whose teachers are unprepared to teach them."

The question of what makes a qualified teacher is being hotly debated not just in New York but nationwide, as hundreds of thousands of teachers from the baby-boomer generation prepare to retire and districts scramble to ensure that they are not left short. Like New York, many school districts around the country, including Los Angeles, Atlanta and Washington, have started alternative certification programs, typically sending the participants into poor inner-city schools with high turnover rates.

President Bush's No Child Left Behind law calls for a "highly qualified" teacher in every classroom by 2006, and Rod Paige, the education secretary, has said that career-changers and others with alternative certification meet that definition.

In a recent report, Mr. Paige dismissed the pedagogical course work offered by schools of education ? like Teachers College ? as cumbersome and often ineffective.

"Many academically accomplished college graduates and midcareer professionals with strong subject-matter backgrounds are often dissuaded from entering teaching because the entry requirements are so rigid," the report said. "At the same time, too many individuals earn certification even though their own content knowledge is weak."

New teachers with alternative certification were in abundance yesterday during an induction ceremony for the school system's new recruits at the Madison Square Garden Theater, presided over by Schools Chancellor Joel I. Klein. When a teachers' union official asked how many of the recruits present were New York City Teaching Fellows, hands shot up throughout the theater.

Claudine Gebhard, 27, who became a teaching fellow after several years in the fashion business, said she was not particularly concerned about her relative lack of preparation.

"They really hold your hand a lot in this program," said Ms. Gebhard, who will teach in East Harlem. "We'll have lots of support."

In contrast, Jeannette MacMillan, a new recruit who will teach in Bedford-Stuyvesant, Brooklyn, has traditional certification because she was a student-teacher and got a master's degree in education from Howard University. Ms. MacMillan, 24, said she was sure her years of training would prove invaluable. But like Ms. Gebhard, she said that her most important training was yet to come.

"I don't think anything can actually prepare you for working with your own class of kids," Ms. MacMillan said.

While the school system had so many certified applicants this year that it actually rejected 1,250, it has still not found enough who specialize in math, science, special education and bilingual education, all perennial shortage areas.

The system has hired about 280 uncertified teachers to fill those vacancies, said Margie Feinberg, a spokeswoman. Most of them ? along with a number of uncertified teachers already teaching those subjects ? are on track to be certified by next September, the state deadline. It remains unclear how many of the city's new certified teachers have worked in other school systems and how many will be teaching for the first time this fall.

The new teachers' contract significantly increased ? to nearly $61,000 from $43,370 ? the maximum yearly salary that certified teachers hired from other districts could initially earn and the school system hoped that would be an irresistible incentive. School officials could not provide figures this week, but Randi Weingarten, the teachers' union president, said it appeared that the number of new teachers with experience elsewhere was low.

Many new recruits still lacked a specific assignment as of yesterday ? a likely result of overhiring because the system never knows for sure how many vacancies it has until the first few weeks of school.

Much of the hiring was done last spring ? earlier than usual ? because school officials feared the salary increase would compel a flood of older teachers to retire over the summer. But in fact, the number who have retired as of this month ? about 3,000 ? was smaller than expected. New York is among a number of districts nationwide whose teacher shortages have abated, at least temporarily, in part because of the shaky economy.

Diane Ravitch, the education historian, said she suspected that the salary increase was the main reason that New York had attracted so many certified teachers this year. The challenge now, she said, will be giving the new teachers the support they need to stay for the long term.

In welcoming the new recruits at Madison Square Garden yesterday, Chancellor Klein ? who started his own job only three days earlier ? urged them to seek out veteran teachers for support. "There are allies there who you can enlist even though you will feel at times besieged and overwhelmed," he said. "My priority is to make it as good as it can possibly be for those of you who are in the classroom instructing the children."



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  6. 2002-08-01 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> RE: [hangout] LaGuardia demo update
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  8. 2002-08-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The Linux Journal
  9. 2002-08-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Spam Control
  10. 2002-08-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Spam Control
  11. 2002-08-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Article on Political Shift in our favor
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  13. 2002-08-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] grepping rmcpa
  14. 2002-08-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] New Business Free Software Demo
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  18. 2002-08-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [draht-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] Not affected: openssh trojan from ftp.openbsd.org]
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  104. 2002-08-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FCC meeting on C-SPAN
  105. 2002-08-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Organization and Achiving Goals
  106. 2002-08-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Organization and Achiving Goals
  107. 2002-08-08 Seth Johnson <seth.johnson-at-realmeasures.dyndns.org> Subject: [hangout] FCC meeting on C-SPAN
  108. 2002-08-08 Seth Johnson <seth.johnson-at-realmeasures.dyndns.org> Subject: [hangout] FCC meeting on C-SPAN
  109. 2002-08-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Show 'em Knoppix
  110. 2002-08-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Show 'em Knoppix
  111. 2002-08-08 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] quick question
  112. 2002-08-08 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] Re: FCC Broadcast Flag Meeting Tomorrow
  113. 2002-08-08 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] Re: FCC Broadcast Flag Meeting Tomorrow
  114. 2002-08-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] Seeking designers for NY Soaring Towers Coalition
  115. 2002-08-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] Seeking designers for NY Soaring Towers Coalition
  116. 2002-08-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] Seeking designers for NY Soaring Towers Coalition
  117. 2002-08-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] Seeking designers for NY Soaring Towers Coalition
  118. 2002-08-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  119. 2002-08-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  120. 2002-08-18 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  121. 2002-08-18 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  122. 2002-08-18 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Databases Everywhere
  123. 2002-08-18 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Databases Everywhere
  124. 2002-08-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  125. 2002-08-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Summeer party
  126. 2002-08-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Summeer party
  127. 2002-08-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout]
  128. 2002-08-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout]
  129. 2002-08-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Business Demo
  130. 2002-08-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Business Demo
  131. 2002-08-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Jounal
  132. 2002-08-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Jounal
  133. 2002-08-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FYI
  134. 2002-08-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FYI
  135. 2002-08-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Databases Everywhere
  136. 2002-08-17 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  137. 2002-08-17 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  138. 2002-08-17 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> RE: [hangout] RPM HELL
  139. 2002-08-17 From: "j. ercole" <ercole-at-speakeasy.org> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  140. 2002-08-16 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  141. 2002-08-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  142. 2002-08-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  143. 2002-08-16 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  144. 2002-08-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  145. 2002-08-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  146. 2002-08-16 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  147. 2002-08-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] grepping
  148. 2002-08-16 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] grepping
  149. 2002-08-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] LaGuardia any?
  150. 2002-08-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software Institute Education Program
  151. 2002-08-16 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> Subject: [hangout] LaGuardia any?
  152. 2002-08-16 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> Subject: [hangout] LaGuardia any?
  153. 2002-08-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Summer Blast-off
  154. 2002-08-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Summer Blast-off
  155. 2002-08-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Open Source Rally Cry/Call to Arms
  156. 2002-08-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Thank you for the great CPE program this year
  157. 2002-08-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Thank you for the great CPE program this year
  158. 2002-08-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Server on DSL?
  159. 2002-08-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Server on DSL?
  160. 2002-08-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Safe Form Data
  161. 2002-08-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Safe Form Data
  162. 2002-08-16 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Server on DSL?
  163. 2002-08-16 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Server on DSL?
  164. 2002-08-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Open Source Rally Cry/Call to Arms
  165. 2002-08-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Open Source Rally Cry/Call to Arms
  166. 2002-08-16 Kevin Milani <news-at-impact-it.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  167. 2002-08-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  168. 2002-08-16 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] Open Source Rally Cry/Call to Arms
  169. 2002-08-16 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] Open Source Rally Cry/Call to Arms
  170. 2002-08-16 alex <alexc2649-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  171. 2002-08-16 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  172. 2002-08-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  173. 2002-08-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  174. 2002-08-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  175. 2002-08-16 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  176. 2002-08-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  177. 2002-08-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] I need secondary (slave) servers
  178. 2002-08-16 From: "j. ercole" <ercole-at-speakeasy.org> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  179. 2002-08-16 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] RPM HELL
  180. 2002-08-16 From: "j. ercole" <ercole-at-speakeasy.org> Re: [hangout] Re: your mail
  181. 2002-08-16 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] I need secondary (slave) servers
  182. 2002-08-16 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  183. 2002-08-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Hey Paul
  184. 2002-08-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Mission
  185. 2002-08-15 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  186. 2002-08-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Vote for a Boat for Aug 24th
  187. 2002-08-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  188. 2002-08-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  189. 2002-08-15 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  190. 2002-08-15 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  191. 2002-08-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [joek-at-dtg-usa.com: [wwwac] Jr. C/UNIX Programmers- Recruiter]
  192. 2002-08-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [joek-at-dtg-usa.com: [wwwac] Jr. C/UNIX Programmers- Recruiter]
  193. 2002-08-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] Oligopolist moves some stuff to GNU/Linux
  194. 2002-08-15 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  195. 2002-08-15 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  196. 2002-08-15 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  197. 2002-08-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Internet Society on Digital Restrictions Management
  198. 2002-08-15 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  199. 2002-08-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] RPM HELL
  200. 2002-08-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] RPM HELL
  201. 2002-08-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] phpgroupware wonderstuff
  202. 2002-08-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] phpgroupware wonderstuff
  203. 2002-08-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [wwwac] NYC-CHI Social Wed. Aug. 21 6:30-8:30 [sweiss-at-usableproducts.com]
  204. 2002-08-14 Kevin Milani <news-at-impact-it.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Pleeze Pleeze
  205. 2002-08-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [wwwac] Help with find in Bash [201317289277747490006-at-spamex.com]
  206. 2002-08-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Pleeze Pleeze
  207. 2002-08-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Pleeze Pleeze
  208. 2002-08-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Your Linux Today Security Letter for August 13, 2002 [listsupport-at-internet.com]
  209. 2002-08-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Your Linux Today Security Letter for August 13, 2002 [listsupport-at-internet.com]
  210. 2002-08-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout]
  211. 2002-08-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout]
  212. 2002-08-13 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] state of affairs summary: Hollywood vs. us
  213. 2002-08-13 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] state of affairs summary: Hollywood vs. us
  214. 2002-08-13 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] DSL through PPoE?
  215. 2002-08-13 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] DSL through PPoE?
  216. 2002-08-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] DSL through PPoE?
  217. 2002-08-13 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] DSL through PPoE?
  218. 2002-08-13 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] DSL through PPoE?
  219. 2002-08-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] DSL through PPoE?
  220. 2002-08-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] DSL through PPoE?
  221. 2002-08-13 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] DSL through PPoE?
  222. 2002-08-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: [hangout] DSL through PPoE?]
  223. 2002-08-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: [hangout] DSL through PPoE?]
  224. 2002-08-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] DSL through PPoE?
  225. 2002-08-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] DSL through PPoE?
  226. 2002-08-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] CUNY DEMO
  227. 2002-08-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] CUNY DEMO
  228. 2002-08-12 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Open Source in California....
  229. 2002-08-12 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Open Source in California....
  230. 2002-08-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Organization and Achiving Goals
  231. 2002-08-12 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] Boat Update
  232. 2002-08-12 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] Boat Update
  233. 2002-08-12 wynkoop-at-wynn.com Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Organization and Achiving Goals
  234. 2002-08-12 wynkoop-at-wynn.com Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Organization and Achiving Goals
  235. 2002-08-12 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] X-chat and ident service
  236. 2002-08-12 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] X-chat and ident service
  237. 2002-08-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] X-chat and ident service
  238. 2002-08-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] X-chat and ident service
  239. 2002-08-12 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Strength of Free Software
  240. 2002-08-12 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Strength of Free Software
  241. 2002-08-12 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Organization and Achiving Goals
  242. 2002-08-12 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Organization and Achiving Goals
  243. 2002-08-12 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] X-chat and ident service
  244. 2002-08-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FW: Boats
  245. 2002-08-12 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] X-chat and ident service
  246. 2002-08-12 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] FW: Boats
  247. 2002-08-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] X-chat and ident service
  248. 2002-08-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] X-chat and ident service
  249. 2002-08-12 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] X-chat and ident service
  250. 2002-08-12 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] X-chat and ident service
  251. 2002-08-12 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] X-chat and ident service
  252. 2002-08-12 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] X-chat and ident service
  253. 2002-08-12 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] Boats?
  254. 2002-08-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Boats?
  255. 2002-08-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Boats?
  256. 2002-08-11 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Organization and Achiving Goals
  257. 2002-08-11 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Organization and Achiving Goals
  258. 2002-08-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Open Office tutorial from the Line Journal
  259. 2002-08-24 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] should I chroot my name servers?
  260. 2002-08-24 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] should I chroot my name servers?
  261. 2002-08-23 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] should I chroot my name servers?
  262. 2002-08-23 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] should I chroot my name servers?
  263. 2002-08-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] An addition point to our phone conversation
  264. 2002-08-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] An addition point to our phone conversation
  265. 2002-08-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] An addition point to our phone conversation
  266. 2002-08-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] An addition point to our phone conversation
  267. 2002-08-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Why is it these people are SOOOOO Stupid
  268. 2002-08-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Why is it these people are SOOOOO Stupid
  269. 2002-08-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Organization and Achiving Goals
  270. 2002-08-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Organization and Achiving Goals
  271. 2002-08-23 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] email programs
  272. 2002-08-23 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] email programs
  273. 2002-08-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] Cruise on Newsforge front page
  274. 2002-08-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] Cruise on Newsforge front page
  275. 2002-08-23 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] NYC bookstore for Linux books
  276. 2002-08-23 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] NYC bookstore for Linux books
  277. 2002-08-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Immense value of X Terminal Demo
  278. 2002-08-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Immense value of X Terminal Demo
  279. 2002-08-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Also awake...
  280. 2002-08-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Also awake...
  281. 2002-08-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] Lindows faces a reality check
  282. 2002-08-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYC bookstore for Linux books
  283. 2002-08-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Also awake...
  284. 2002-08-23 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] email programs
  285. 2002-08-23 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] email programs
  286. 2002-08-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Open Office Class
  287. 2002-08-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Bordeaux Freance had a good Menu
  288. 2002-08-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] A recision is a good thing
  289. 2002-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Pagging Joe Grastara
  290. 2002-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Pagging Joe Grastara
  291. 2002-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Beer Ball
  292. 2002-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Beer Ball
  293. 2002-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Houston to Ruben, Houston to Ruben, Houston to Ruben
  294. 2002-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: Causative reasons for the Civil War
  295. 2002-08-22 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] RE: Causative reasons for the Civil War
  296. 2002-08-22 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] RE: Causative reasons for the Civil War
  297. 2002-08-22 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> RE: [hangout] ASHA move
  298. 2002-08-22 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> RE: [hangout] ASHA move
  299. 2002-08-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [dplist-admin-at-danielpipes.org: #247: Pipes & Schanz er on "Saddam's Rap Sheet"]
  300. 2002-08-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Open Office tutorial from the Line Journal
  301. 2002-08-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Open Office tutorial from the Line Journal
  302. 2002-08-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Brooklyn News
  303. 2002-08-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Brooklyn News
  304. 2002-08-21 From: <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Wednesday 21 August 2002 WWWAC Drinking and Eating
  305. 2002-08-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [procmail-at-tradersdata.com: Reciepe Problem
  306. 2002-08-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [procmail-at-tradersdata.com: Reciepe Problem
  307. 2002-08-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] I miss...
  308. 2002-08-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Debian install
  309. 2002-08-20 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Re: [Marketing] OOo...the Vision thing
  310. 2002-08-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] ann
  311. 2002-08-20 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Re: [Marketing] OOo...the Vision thing
  312. 2002-08-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [Marketing] OOo...the Vision thing
  313. 2002-08-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [Marketing] OOo...the Vision thing
  314. 2002-08-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [Marketing] OOo...the Vision thing
  315. 2002-08-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [Marketing] OOo...the Vision thing
  316. 2002-08-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [Marketing] OOo...the Vision thing
  317. 2002-08-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [Marketing] OOo...the Vision thing
  318. 2002-08-19 Justin Clift <justin-at-postgresql.org> Subject: [hangout] Re: [Marketing] OOo...the Vision thing
  319. 2002-08-19 Justin Clift <justin-at-postgresql.org> Subject: [hangout] Re: [Marketing] OOo...the Vision thing
  320. 2002-08-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Hurry, get links to nyfairuse and NYLXS in at this story just posted
  321. 2002-08-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [Marketing] OOo...the Vision thing
  322. 2002-08-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] All Hail PHPGROUPWARE
  323. 2002-08-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] All Hail PHPGROUPWARE
  324. 2002-08-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  325. 2002-08-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  326. 2002-08-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  327. 2002-08-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  328. 2002-08-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] A New Way to Influence Washington
  329. 2002-08-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] A New Way to Influence Washington
  330. 2002-08-19 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] A New Way to Influence Washington
  331. 2002-08-19 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] A New Way to Influence Washington
  332. 2002-08-19 Kevin Milani <news-at-impact-it.net> Subject: [hangout] A New Way to Influence Washington
  333. 2002-08-19 Kevin Milani <news-at-impact-it.net> Subject: [hangout] A New Way to Influence Washington
  334. 2002-08-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  335. 2002-08-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  336. 2002-08-19 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] RPM HELL
  337. 2002-08-19 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] RPM HELL
  338. 2002-08-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Think bigger than Tara
  339. 2002-08-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Think bigger than Tara
  340. 2002-08-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Linux 1 Class
  341. 2002-08-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Linux 1 Class
  342. 2002-08-19 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux 1 Class
  343. 2002-08-19 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux 1 Class
  344. 2002-08-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: nylxs move (fwd)
  345. 2002-08-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [novalug] Fwd: Re: [hangout] Fwd: Department of Commerce Report [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com] [a1enviro-at-cloud9.net]
  346. 2002-08-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Radio Show on Sunday..
  347. 2002-08-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Department of Commerce Report [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  348. 2002-08-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: GNU/Linux Free SOftware Organization to offer you free (as in Beer)training [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  349. 2002-08-29 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] ASHA
  350. 2002-08-29 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [hangout] Hangout-Clone List Admin Message for Brett Wynkoop
  351. 2002-08-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] June Journal HTML Complete
  352. 2002-08-28 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Closing Down Asha
  353. 2002-08-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Closing Down Asha
  354. 2002-08-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Closing Down Asha
  355. 2002-08-28 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Closing Down Asha
  356. 2002-08-28 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Closing Down Asha
  357. 2002-08-28 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] RE: LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  358. 2002-08-28 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Subject: [hangout] [events-at-mail.lokmail.net: Tonight! Reverend Billy at Den of Cin- Campaign to ReClaimThe.Net]
  359. 2002-08-28 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Subject: [hangout] [events-at-mail.lokmail.net: Tonight! Reverend Billy at Den of Cin- Campaign to ReClaimThe.Net]
  360. 2002-08-28 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FW: Linux Oct 23 at LAGCC
  361. 2002-08-28 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FW: Linux Oct 23 at LAGCC
  362. 2002-08-28 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] June Journal HTML Complete
  363. 2002-08-28 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] June Journal HTML Complete
  364. 2002-08-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] RADIO SHOW
  365. 2002-08-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] RADIO SHOW
  366. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] June Journal HTML Complete
  367. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] June Journal HTML Complete
  368. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] June Journal HTML Complete
  369. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] June Journal HTML Complete
  370. 2002-08-27 Joe Villari <joev-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] June Journal HTML Complete
  371. 2002-08-27 Joe Villari <joev-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] June Journal HTML Complete
  372. 2002-08-27 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> RE: [hangout] RE: LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  373. 2002-08-27 From: "Phil Glaser" <StillSmallVoice-at-directvinternet.com> RE: [hangout] RE: LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  374. 2002-08-27 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] RE: LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  375. 2002-08-27 From: "Phil Glaser" <StillSmallVoice-at-directvinternet.com> RE: [hangout] RE: LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  376. 2002-08-27 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] Important read...
  377. 2002-08-27 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] Important read...
  378. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  379. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  380. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  381. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Denmark
  382. 2002-08-27 From: "Phil Glaser" <StillSmallVoice-at-directvinternet.com> RE: [hangout] RE: LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  383. 2002-08-27 From: "Phil Glaser" <StillSmallVoice-at-directvinternet.com> RE: [hangout] RE: LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  384. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Suggestions for classes
  385. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Suggestions for classes
  386. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Suggestions for classes
  387. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Membership Web Pages
  388. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Closing Down Asha
  389. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Closing Down Asha
  390. 2002-08-27 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Closing Down Asha
  391. 2002-08-27 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Closing Down Asha
  392. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  393. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  394. 2002-08-27 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] Closing Down Asha
  395. 2002-08-27 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> RE: [hangout] RE: LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  396. 2002-08-27 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> RE: [hangout] RE: LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  397. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Closing Down Asha
  398. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Closing Down Asha
  399. 2002-08-27 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Walmart
  400. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Denmark
  401. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Demo topics and schedule, [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  402. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Demo topics and schedule, [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  403. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Walmart
  404. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Walmart
  405. 2002-08-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] cruise 2
  406. 2002-08-26 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> Subject: [hangout] RE: LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  407. 2002-08-26 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> Subject: [hangout] RE: LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  408. 2002-08-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  409. 2002-08-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  410. 2002-08-26 From: "Phil Glaser" <StillSmallVoice-at-directvinternet.com> Subject: [hangout] LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  411. 2002-08-26 From: "Phil Glaser" <StillSmallVoice-at-directvinternet.com> Subject: [hangout] LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  412. 2002-08-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] RE: Demo topics and schedule,
  413. 2002-08-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] RE: Demo topics and schedule,
  414. 2002-08-26 bruce ingalls <bingalls-at-fit-zones.com> Subject: [hangout] cruise 2
  415. 2002-08-26 bruce ingalls <bingalls-at-fit-zones.com> Subject: [hangout] cruise 2
  416. 2002-08-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [novalug] Recording Music
  417. 2002-08-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [novalug] Recording Music
  418. 2002-08-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Last Nights Boat Ride
  419. 2002-08-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Last Nights Boat Ride
  420. 2002-08-25 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] Last Nights Boat Ride
  421. 2002-08-25 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] Last Nights Boat Ride
  422. 2002-08-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: Demo topics and schedule,
  423. 2002-08-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: Demo topics and schedule,
  424. 2002-08-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Last Nights Boat Ride
  425. 2002-08-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Last Nights Boat Ride
  426. 2002-08-25 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Subject: [hangout] GPS Log
  427. 2002-08-25 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Bordeaux Freance had a good Menu
  428. 2002-08-25 From: "Phil Glaser" <StillSmallVoice-at-directvinternet.com> Subject: [hangout] RE: Demo topics and schedule,
  429. 2002-08-25 From: "Phil Glaser" <StillSmallVoice-at-directvinternet.com> Subject: [hangout] RE: Demo topics and schedule,
  430. 2002-08-19 From: "j . ercole" <ercole-at-speakeasy.org> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL

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