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DATE 2002-08-22
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Shortage Ends as City Lures New Teachers
By ABBY GOODNOUGH

After years of struggling to recruit enough certified teachers to fill even half of its classroom vacancies, New York City has attracted more than 8,000 qualified candidates for the fall, in effect ending what school officials called the most crippling teacher shortage in decades.

Education officials attribute the striking increase in certified applicants to the floundering economy and to a recent contract agreement that raised entry-level teacher salaries to $39,000 from $31,910. In addition, an alternative form of certification that requires far less training has drawn several thousand people who might never have considered teaching otherwise. New York City has 80,000 teachers, of whom 16 percent were uncertified last year.
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As of last week, the school system said, it had offered jobs to 8,300 certified teachers, meaning they have passed the requisite exams and education courses. (For permanent certification, teachers must get a master's degree by the end of their fifth year.) Harold O. Levy, who stepped down last week as schools chancellor, said then that he expected certified teachers to fill at least 90 percent of the vacancies in September. In contrast, only half the teachers hired in 2001 were certified; in other recent years, the number dipped as low as 40 percent.

To fill the void, the school system had resorted to hiring thousands of uncertified teachers with little or no training, many of whom had repeatedly failed the state licensing exams. School officials used to refer to this last-minute hiring as the fogged-mirror test: if a mirror held to the applicant's mouth fogged, they joked, the applicant was clearly breathing and therefore met the basic qualification for teaching in New York.

The tide began to turn in 2000, when the State Board of Regents adopted a new policy requiring that all New York City teachers be certified by September 2003. As a first step, the policy ? enforced by court order ? barred the city from placing uncertified teachers in its 100 lowest-performing schools in 2000-01.

In response, Mr. Levy hastily created an alternative certification program that recruited career-changers and recent college graduates with no teaching experience, gave them a month of intensive education courses and assigned them to those lowest-performing schools.

As part of the program, approved by the state, the school system paid for these novice teachers to get master's degrees in education during their first few years on the job. The program, New York City Teaching Fellows, has expanded tenfold and will place 2,000 new recruits in city schools in September. They will join about 1,500 teaching fellows already in the system.

Altogether, about 2,500, or 30 percent, of the new certified teachers this fall will have alternative certification. In addition to the teaching fellows, they include nearly 200 recruits from Teach for America, the nonprofit group that places recent college graduates in troubled schools after a summer of training, and about 300 from other alternate-route programs.

Since these recruits have not spent nearly as much time learning how to teach as those with traditional certification ? many of whom took education courses in college and completed student-teaching stints ? some educators question whether they really count as qualified teachers. "It's a disingenuous claim," said Arthur Levine, the president of Teachers College at Columbia University. "New York has reclassified what it means to be a certified teacher, and what it means is we will still have large numbers of students this fall whose teachers are unprepared to teach them."

The question of what makes a qualified teacher is being hotly debated not just in New York but nationwide, as hundreds of thousands of teachers from the baby-boomer generation prepare to retire and districts scramble to ensure that they are not left short. Like New York, many school districts around the country, including Los Angeles, Atlanta and Washington, have started alternative certification programs, typically sending the participants into poor inner-city schools with high turnover rates.

President Bush's No Child Left Behind law calls for a "highly qualified" teacher in every classroom by 2006, and Rod Paige, the education secretary, has said that career-changers and others with alternative certification meet that definition.

In a recent report, Mr. Paige dismissed the pedagogical course work offered by schools of education ? like Teachers College ? as cumbersome and often ineffective.

"Many academically accomplished college graduates and midcareer professionals with strong subject-matter backgrounds are often dissuaded from entering teaching because the entry requirements are so rigid," the report said. "At the same time, too many individuals earn certification even though their own content knowledge is weak."

New teachers with alternative certification were in abundance yesterday during an induction ceremony for the school system's new recruits at the Madison Square Garden Theater, presided over by Schools Chancellor Joel I. Klein. When a teachers' union official asked how many of the recruits present were New York City Teaching Fellows, hands shot up throughout the theater.

Claudine Gebhard, 27, who became a teaching fellow after several years in the fashion business, said she was not particularly concerned about her relative lack of preparation.

"They really hold your hand a lot in this program," said Ms. Gebhard, who will teach in East Harlem. "We'll have lots of support."

In contrast, Jeannette MacMillan, a new recruit who will teach in Bedford-Stuyvesant, Brooklyn, has traditional certification because she was a student-teacher and got a master's degree in education from Howard University. Ms. MacMillan, 24, said she was sure her years of training would prove invaluable. But like Ms. Gebhard, she said that her most important training was yet to come.

"I don't think anything can actually prepare you for working with your own class of kids," Ms. MacMillan said.

While the school system had so many certified applicants this year that it actually rejected 1,250, it has still not found enough who specialize in math, science, special education and bilingual education, all perennial shortage areas.

The system has hired about 280 uncertified teachers to fill those vacancies, said Margie Feinberg, a spokeswoman. Most of them ? along with a number of uncertified teachers already teaching those subjects ? are on track to be certified by next September, the state deadline. It remains unclear how many of the city's new certified teachers have worked in other school systems and how many will be teaching for the first time this fall.

The new teachers' contract significantly increased ? to nearly $61,000 from $43,370 ? the maximum yearly salary that certified teachers hired from other districts could initially earn and the school system hoped that would be an irresistible incentive. School officials could not provide figures this week, but Randi Weingarten, the teachers' union president, said it appeared that the number of new teachers with experience elsewhere was low.

Many new recruits still lacked a specific assignment as of yesterday ? a likely result of overhiring because the system never knows for sure how many vacancies it has until the first few weeks of school.

Much of the hiring was done last spring ? earlier than usual ? because school officials feared the salary increase would compel a flood of older teachers to retire over the summer. But in fact, the number who have retired as of this month ? about 3,000 ? was smaller than expected. New York is among a number of districts nationwide whose teacher shortages have abated, at least temporarily, in part because of the shaky economy.

Diane Ravitch, the education historian, said she suspected that the salary increase was the main reason that New York had attracted so many certified teachers this year. The challenge now, she said, will be giving the new teachers the support they need to stay for the long term.

In welcoming the new recruits at Madison Square Garden yesterday, Chancellor Klein ? who started his own job only three days earlier ? urged them to seek out veteran teachers for support. "There are allies there who you can enlist even though you will feel at times besieged and overwhelmed," he said. "My priority is to make it as good as it can possibly be for those of you who are in the classroom instructing the children."



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  2. 2002-08-01 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> RE: [hangout] LaGuardia demo update
  3. 2002-08-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] LaGuardia demo update
  4. 2002-08-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Article on Political Shift in our favor
  5. 2002-08-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Article on Political Shift in our favor
  6. 2002-08-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] grepping rmcpa
  7. 2002-08-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] New Business Free Software Demo
  8. 2002-08-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] New Business Free Software Demo
  9. 2002-08-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Spam Control
  10. 2002-08-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Spam Control
  11. 2002-08-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The Linux Journal
  12. 2002-08-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [draht-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] Not affected: openssh trojan from ftp.openbsd.org]
  13. 2002-08-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [draht-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] Not affected: openssh trojan from ftp.openbsd.org]
  14. 2002-08-02 Seth Johnson <seth.johnson-at-realmeasures.dyndns.org> Re: [hangout] More NYLXS stuff in the News
  15. 2002-08-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] More NYLXS stuff in the News
  16. 2002-08-02 Seth Johnson <seth.johnson-at-realmeasures.dyndns.org> Re: [hangout] More NYLXS stuff in the News
  17. 2002-08-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] SUSE 8.0 Install, no mouse pointer visible.
  18. 2002-08-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] More NYLXS stuff in the News
  19. 2002-08-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Boat
  20. 2002-08-03 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Boat
  21. 2002-08-03 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Boat
  22. 2002-08-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Build Them Back
  23. 2002-08-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Build your Free Software Business
  24. 2002-08-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Party Planning Meeting
  25. 2002-08-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jhise-at-linuxforbusiness.org: [nylug-talk] Free Stuff]
  26. 2002-08-04 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Boat
  27. 2002-08-04 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Boat
  28. 2002-08-04 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Boat
  29. 2002-08-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: mirror updated
  30. 2002-08-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: mirror updated
  31. 2002-08-04 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Re: mirror updated
  32. 2002-08-04 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Re: mirror updated
  33. 2002-08-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: mirror updated
  34. 2002-08-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: mirror updated
  35. 2002-08-04 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] Re: mirror updated
  36. 2002-08-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: mirror updated
  37. 2002-08-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: mirror updated
  38. 2002-08-04 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] Re: mirror updated
  39. 2002-08-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Spread the word on the new Classes
  40. 2002-08-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Spread the word on the new Classes
  41. 2002-08-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Intall Feast Location Needed
  42. 2002-08-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Literature Needed for Accounting Conference
  43. 2002-08-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] LSM Webpage needs to be done
  44. 2002-08-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Membership Free Web Pages
  45. 2002-08-04 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [hangout] Re: mirror updated
  46. 2002-08-04 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: mirror updated
  47. 2002-08-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Spread the word on the new Classes
  48. 2002-08-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Party Boat
  49. 2002-08-06 From: <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Full Schedule of August 2002 Free Software Institute Classes
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  51. 2002-08-06 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] information request
  52. 2002-08-07 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [fairuse] FCC Broadcast Flag Meeting Tomorrow
  53. 2002-08-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Business Possibilities in Downtown Brooklyn
  54. 2002-08-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Business Possibilities in Downtown Brooklyn
  55. 2002-08-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] More Downtown Brooklyn Posiibilities
  56. 2002-08-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] More Downtown Brooklyn Posiibilities
  57. 2002-08-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: removed from sle
  58. 2002-08-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: removed from sle
  59. 2002-08-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] win2k sp3
  60. 2002-08-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] win2k sp3
  61. 2002-08-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] win2k sp3
  62. 2002-08-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] win2k sp3
  63. 2002-08-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [hitchhiker-at-cybermail.net: [novalug] Getting Linux into an office]
  64. 2002-08-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [hitchhiker-at-cybermail.net: [novalug] Getting Linux into an office]
  65. 2002-08-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: FCC Broadcast Flag Meeting Tomorrow
  66. 2002-08-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: FCC Broadcast Flag Meeting Tomorrow
  67. 2002-08-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: FCC Broadcast Flag Meeting Tomorrow
  68. 2002-08-08 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] Re: FCC Broadcast Flag Meeting Tomorrow
  69. 2002-08-08 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] Re: FCC Broadcast Flag Meeting Tomorrow
  70. 2002-08-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Show 'em Knoppix
  71. 2002-08-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Show 'em Knoppix
  72. 2002-08-08 Seth Johnson <seth.johnson-at-realmeasures.dyndns.org> Subject: [hangout] FCC meeting on C-SPAN
  73. 2002-08-08 Seth Johnson <seth.johnson-at-realmeasures.dyndns.org> Subject: [hangout] FCC meeting on C-SPAN
  74. 2002-08-08 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] quick question
  75. 2002-08-08 wynkoop-at-wynn.com Subject: [hangout] Re: FCC Broadcast Flag Meeting Tomorrow
  76. 2002-08-08 wynkoop-at-wynn.com Subject: [hangout] Re: FCC Broadcast Flag Meeting Tomorrow
  77. 2002-08-08 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: FCC Broadcast Flag Meeting Tomorrow
  78. 2002-08-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: FCC Broadcast Flag Meeting Tomorrow
  79. 2002-08-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: FCC Broadcast Flag Meeting Tomorrow
  80. 2002-08-08 Seth Johnson <seth.johnson-at-RealMeasures.dyndns.org> Subject: [hangout] Re: FCC Broadcast Flag Meeting Tomorrow
  81. 2002-08-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [fairuse-discuss] Re: FCC opens hearings Thursday to mandate digitial tuners/close analog hole
  82. 2002-08-08 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [fairuse-discuss] Re: [fairuse] Re: FCC opens hearings Thursday
  83. 2002-08-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] WWWAC is being blackholed
  84. 2002-08-09 From: "Michael E. George" <meg7-at-nyu.edu> Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Organization and Achiving Goals
  85. 2002-08-09 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Organization and Achiving Goals
  86. 2002-08-09 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> RE: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Organization and Achiving Goals
  87. 2002-08-09 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> RE: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Organization and Achiving Goals
  88. 2002-08-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FCC meeting on C-SPAN
  89. 2002-08-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FCC meeting on C-SPAN
  90. 2002-08-09 Alan Wiess <bandie-at-linuxfreemail.com> Re: [hangout] Organization and Achiving Goals
  91. 2002-08-09 Joe Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Organization and Achiving Goals
  92. 2002-08-09 Joe Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Organization and Achiving Goals
  93. 2002-08-09 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] Re: boat trip
  94. 2002-08-09 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] Re: boat trip
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  96. 2002-08-09 Kevin Milani <news-at-impact-it.net> Subject: [hangout] Class Location Idea
  97. 2002-08-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Organization and Achiving Goals
  98. 2002-08-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Organization and Achiving Goals
  99. 2002-08-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: boat trip
  100. 2002-08-09 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] RE: boat trip
  101. 2002-08-09 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] RE: boat trip
  102. 2002-08-09 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] RE: boat trip
  103. 2002-08-09 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] RE: boat trip
  104. 2002-08-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: boat trip
  105. 2002-08-09 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] RE: boat trip
  106. 2002-08-09 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] RE: boat trip
  107. 2002-08-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Organization and Achiving Goals
  108. 2002-08-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Organization and Achiving Goals
  109. 2002-08-11 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Organization and Achiving Goals
  110. 2002-08-11 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Organization and Achiving Goals
  111. 2002-08-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] Organization and Goals (fwd)
  112. 2002-08-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] Organization and Goals (fwd)
  113. 2002-08-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] More Jobs
  114. 2002-08-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: an inservice,
  115. 2002-08-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] SF - Marching On City hall for Free Software
  116. 2002-08-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Organization and Achiving Goals
  117. 2002-08-12 wynkoop-at-wynn.com Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Organization and Achiving Goals
  118. 2002-08-12 wynkoop-at-wynn.com Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Organization and Achiving Goals
  119. 2002-08-12 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Organization and Achiving Goals
  120. 2002-08-12 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Organization and Achiving Goals
  121. 2002-08-12 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] Boats?
  122. 2002-08-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FW: Boats
  123. 2002-08-12 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] X-chat and ident service
  124. 2002-08-12 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] X-chat and ident service
  125. 2002-08-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] X-chat and ident service
  126. 2002-08-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] X-chat and ident service
  127. 2002-08-12 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] X-chat and ident service
  128. 2002-08-12 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] X-chat and ident service
  129. 2002-08-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] X-chat and ident service
  130. 2002-08-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] X-chat and ident service
  131. 2002-08-12 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] X-chat and ident service
  132. 2002-08-12 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] X-chat and ident service
  133. 2002-08-12 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] Boat Update
  134. 2002-08-12 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] Boat Update
  135. 2002-08-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Boats?
  136. 2002-08-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Boats?
  137. 2002-08-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] CUNY DEMO
  138. 2002-08-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] CUNY DEMO
  139. 2002-08-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] DSL through PPoE?
  140. 2002-08-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] DSL through PPoE?
  141. 2002-08-12 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] FW: Boats
  142. 2002-08-12 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Open Source in California....
  143. 2002-08-12 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Open Source in California....
  144. 2002-08-12 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Strength of Free Software
  145. 2002-08-12 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Strength of Free Software
  146. 2002-08-12 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] X-chat and ident service
  147. 2002-08-12 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] X-chat and ident service
  148. 2002-08-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: [hangout] DSL through PPoE?]
  149. 2002-08-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: [hangout] DSL through PPoE?]
  150. 2002-08-13 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] DSL through PPoE?
  151. 2002-08-13 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] DSL through PPoE?
  152. 2002-08-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] DSL through PPoE?
  153. 2002-08-13 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] DSL through PPoE?
  154. 2002-08-13 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] DSL through PPoE?
  155. 2002-08-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] DSL through PPoE?
  156. 2002-08-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] DSL through PPoE?
  157. 2002-08-13 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] DSL through PPoE?
  158. 2002-08-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout]
  159. 2002-08-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout]
  160. 2002-08-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Your Linux Today Security Letter for August 13, 2002 [listsupport-at-internet.com]
  161. 2002-08-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Your Linux Today Security Letter for August 13, 2002 [listsupport-at-internet.com]
  162. 2002-08-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [wwwac] Help with find in Bash [201317289277747490006-at-spamex.com]
  163. 2002-08-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Pleeze Pleeze
  164. 2002-08-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Pleeze Pleeze
  165. 2002-08-13 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] state of affairs summary: Hollywood vs. us
  166. 2002-08-13 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] state of affairs summary: Hollywood vs. us
  167. 2002-08-14 Kevin Milani <news-at-impact-it.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Pleeze Pleeze
  168. 2002-08-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Internet Society on Digital Restrictions Management
  169. 2002-08-15 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  170. 2002-08-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  171. 2002-08-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  172. 2002-08-15 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  173. 2002-08-15 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  174. 2002-08-15 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  175. 2002-08-15 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  176. 2002-08-15 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  177. 2002-08-15 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  178. 2002-08-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [wwwac] NYC-CHI Social Wed. Aug. 21 6:30-8:30 [sweiss-at-usableproducts.com]
  179. 2002-08-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Mission
  180. 2002-08-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] phpgroupware wonderstuff
  181. 2002-08-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] phpgroupware wonderstuff
  182. 2002-08-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] Oligopolist moves some stuff to GNU/Linux
  183. 2002-08-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] RPM HELL
  184. 2002-08-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] RPM HELL
  185. 2002-08-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Vote for a Boat for Aug 24th
  186. 2002-08-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [joek-at-dtg-usa.com: [wwwac] Jr. C/UNIX Programmers- Recruiter]
  187. 2002-08-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [joek-at-dtg-usa.com: [wwwac] Jr. C/UNIX Programmers- Recruiter]
  188. 2002-08-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] grepping
  189. 2002-08-16 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] grepping
  190. 2002-08-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] I need secondary (slave) servers
  191. 2002-08-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] LaGuardia any?
  192. 2002-08-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Open Source Rally Cry/Call to Arms
  193. 2002-08-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Open Source Rally Cry/Call to Arms
  194. 2002-08-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Open Source Rally Cry/Call to Arms
  195. 2002-08-16 From: "j. ercole" <ercole-at-speakeasy.org> Re: [hangout] Re: your mail
  196. 2002-08-16 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  197. 2002-08-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  198. 2002-08-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  199. 2002-08-16 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  200. 2002-08-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  201. 2002-08-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  202. 2002-08-16 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  203. 2002-08-16 Kevin Milani <news-at-impact-it.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  204. 2002-08-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  205. 2002-08-16 alex <alexc2649-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  206. 2002-08-16 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  207. 2002-08-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  208. 2002-08-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  209. 2002-08-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  210. 2002-08-16 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  211. 2002-08-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  212. 2002-08-16 From: "j. ercole" <ercole-at-speakeasy.org> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  213. 2002-08-16 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] RPM HELL
  214. 2002-08-16 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  215. 2002-08-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Safe Form Data
  216. 2002-08-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Safe Form Data
  217. 2002-08-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Server on DSL?
  218. 2002-08-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Server on DSL?
  219. 2002-08-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software Institute Education Program
  220. 2002-08-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Hey Paul
  221. 2002-08-16 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] I need secondary (slave) servers
  222. 2002-08-16 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> Subject: [hangout] LaGuardia any?
  223. 2002-08-16 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> Subject: [hangout] LaGuardia any?
  224. 2002-08-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Summer Blast-off
  225. 2002-08-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Summer Blast-off
  226. 2002-08-16 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] Open Source Rally Cry/Call to Arms
  227. 2002-08-16 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] Open Source Rally Cry/Call to Arms
  228. 2002-08-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Thank you for the great CPE program this year
  229. 2002-08-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Thank you for the great CPE program this year
  230. 2002-08-16 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Server on DSL?
  231. 2002-08-16 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Server on DSL?
  232. 2002-08-17 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  233. 2002-08-17 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  234. 2002-08-17 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> RE: [hangout] RPM HELL
  235. 2002-08-17 From: "j. ercole" <ercole-at-speakeasy.org> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  236. 2002-08-18 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Databases Everywhere
  237. 2002-08-18 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Databases Everywhere
  238. 2002-08-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] Seeking designers for NY Soaring Towers Coalition
  239. 2002-08-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] Seeking designers for NY Soaring Towers Coalition
  240. 2002-08-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  241. 2002-08-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  242. 2002-08-18 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  243. 2002-08-18 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  244. 2002-08-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  245. 2002-08-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout]
  246. 2002-08-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout]
  247. 2002-08-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Business Demo
  248. 2002-08-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Business Demo
  249. 2002-08-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Databases Everywhere
  250. 2002-08-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FYI
  251. 2002-08-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FYI
  252. 2002-08-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Jounal
  253. 2002-08-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Jounal
  254. 2002-08-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] Seeking designers for NY Soaring Towers Coalition
  255. 2002-08-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] Seeking designers for NY Soaring Towers Coalition
  256. 2002-08-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Summeer party
  257. 2002-08-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Summeer party
  258. 2002-08-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] A New Way to Influence Washington
  259. 2002-08-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] A New Way to Influence Washington
  260. 2002-08-19 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] A New Way to Influence Washington
  261. 2002-08-19 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] A New Way to Influence Washington
  262. 2002-08-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Hurry, get links to nyfairuse and NYLXS in at this story just posted
  263. 2002-08-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Linux 1 Class
  264. 2002-08-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Linux 1 Class
  265. 2002-08-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  266. 2002-08-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  267. 2002-08-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  268. 2002-08-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  269. 2002-08-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  270. 2002-08-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  271. 2002-08-19 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] RPM HELL
  272. 2002-08-19 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] RPM HELL
  273. 2002-08-19 From: "j . ercole" <ercole-at-speakeasy.org> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  274. 2002-08-19 Kevin Milani <news-at-impact-it.net> Subject: [hangout] A New Way to Influence Washington
  275. 2002-08-19 Kevin Milani <news-at-impact-it.net> Subject: [hangout] A New Way to Influence Washington
  276. 2002-08-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] All Hail PHPGROUPWARE
  277. 2002-08-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] All Hail PHPGROUPWARE
  278. 2002-08-19 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux 1 Class
  279. 2002-08-19 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux 1 Class
  280. 2002-08-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Think bigger than Tara
  281. 2002-08-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Think bigger than Tara
  282. 2002-08-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [Marketing] OOo...the Vision thing
  283. 2002-08-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [Marketing] OOo...the Vision thing
  284. 2002-08-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [Marketing] OOo...the Vision thing
  285. 2002-08-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [Marketing] OOo...the Vision thing
  286. 2002-08-19 Justin Clift <justin-at-postgresql.org> Subject: [hangout] Re: [Marketing] OOo...the Vision thing
  287. 2002-08-19 Justin Clift <justin-at-postgresql.org> Subject: [hangout] Re: [Marketing] OOo...the Vision thing
  288. 2002-08-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [Marketing] OOo...the Vision thing
  289. 2002-08-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Debian install
  290. 2002-08-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] I miss...
  291. 2002-08-20 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Re: [Marketing] OOo...the Vision thing
  292. 2002-08-20 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Re: [Marketing] OOo...the Vision thing
  293. 2002-08-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [Marketing] OOo...the Vision thing
  294. 2002-08-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [Marketing] OOo...the Vision thing
  295. 2002-08-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] ann
  296. 2002-08-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [procmail-at-tradersdata.com: Reciepe Problem
  297. 2002-08-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [procmail-at-tradersdata.com: Reciepe Problem
  298. 2002-08-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [dplist-admin-at-danielpipes.org: #247: Pipes & Schanz er on "Saddam's Rap Sheet"]
  299. 2002-08-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Brooklyn News
  300. 2002-08-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Brooklyn News
  301. 2002-08-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Open Office tutorial from the Line Journal
  302. 2002-08-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Open Office tutorial from the Line Journal
  303. 2002-08-21 From: <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Wednesday 21 August 2002 WWWAC Drinking and Eating
  304. 2002-08-22 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> RE: [hangout] ASHA move
  305. 2002-08-22 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> RE: [hangout] ASHA move
  306. 2002-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Beer Ball
  307. 2002-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Beer Ball
  308. 2002-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Houston to Ruben, Houston to Ruben, Houston to Ruben
  309. 2002-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: Causative reasons for the Civil War
  310. 2002-08-22 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] RE: Causative reasons for the Civil War
  311. 2002-08-22 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] RE: Causative reasons for the Civil War
  312. 2002-08-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] A recision is a good thing
  313. 2002-08-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Bordeaux Freance had a good Menu
  314. 2002-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Pagging Joe Grastara
  315. 2002-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Pagging Joe Grastara
  316. 2002-08-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Organization and Achiving Goals
  317. 2002-08-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Organization and Achiving Goals
  318. 2002-08-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] An addition point to our phone conversation
  319. 2002-08-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] An addition point to our phone conversation
  320. 2002-08-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] Cruise on Newsforge front page
  321. 2002-08-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] Cruise on Newsforge front page
  322. 2002-08-23 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] email programs
  323. 2002-08-23 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] email programs
  324. 2002-08-23 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] email programs
  325. 2002-08-23 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] email programs
  326. 2002-08-23 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] NYC bookstore for Linux books
  327. 2002-08-23 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] NYC bookstore for Linux books
  328. 2002-08-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYC bookstore for Linux books
  329. 2002-08-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Also awake...
  330. 2002-08-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Also awake...
  331. 2002-08-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] An addition point to our phone conversation
  332. 2002-08-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] An addition point to our phone conversation
  333. 2002-08-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Open Office Class
  334. 2002-08-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Also awake...
  335. 2002-08-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Immense value of X Terminal Demo
  336. 2002-08-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Immense value of X Terminal Demo
  337. 2002-08-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] Lindows faces a reality check
  338. 2002-08-23 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] should I chroot my name servers?
  339. 2002-08-23 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] should I chroot my name servers?
  340. 2002-08-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Why is it these people are SOOOOO Stupid
  341. 2002-08-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Why is it these people are SOOOOO Stupid
  342. 2002-08-24 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] should I chroot my name servers?
  343. 2002-08-24 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] should I chroot my name servers?
  344. 2002-08-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Open Office tutorial from the Line Journal
  345. 2002-08-25 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Bordeaux Freance had a good Menu
  346. 2002-08-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Last Nights Boat Ride
  347. 2002-08-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Last Nights Boat Ride
  348. 2002-08-25 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] Last Nights Boat Ride
  349. 2002-08-25 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] Last Nights Boat Ride
  350. 2002-08-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: Demo topics and schedule,
  351. 2002-08-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: Demo topics and schedule,
  352. 2002-08-25 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Subject: [hangout] GPS Log
  353. 2002-08-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Last Nights Boat Ride
  354. 2002-08-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Last Nights Boat Ride
  355. 2002-08-25 From: "Phil Glaser" <StillSmallVoice-at-directvinternet.com> Subject: [hangout] RE: Demo topics and schedule,
  356. 2002-08-25 From: "Phil Glaser" <StillSmallVoice-at-directvinternet.com> Subject: [hangout] RE: Demo topics and schedule,
  357. 2002-08-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [novalug] Recording Music
  358. 2002-08-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [novalug] Recording Music
  359. 2002-08-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] cruise 2
  360. 2002-08-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] RE: Demo topics and schedule,
  361. 2002-08-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] RE: Demo topics and schedule,
  362. 2002-08-26 bruce ingalls <bingalls-at-fit-zones.com> Subject: [hangout] cruise 2
  363. 2002-08-26 bruce ingalls <bingalls-at-fit-zones.com> Subject: [hangout] cruise 2
  364. 2002-08-26 From: "Phil Glaser" <StillSmallVoice-at-directvinternet.com> Subject: [hangout] LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  365. 2002-08-26 From: "Phil Glaser" <StillSmallVoice-at-directvinternet.com> Subject: [hangout] LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  366. 2002-08-26 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> Subject: [hangout] RE: LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  367. 2002-08-26 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> Subject: [hangout] RE: LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  368. 2002-08-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  369. 2002-08-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  370. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Closing Down Asha
  371. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Closing Down Asha
  372. 2002-08-27 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Closing Down Asha
  373. 2002-08-27 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Closing Down Asha
  374. 2002-08-27 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] Closing Down Asha
  375. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Denmark
  376. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Denmark
  377. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] June Journal HTML Complete
  378. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] June Journal HTML Complete
  379. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] June Journal HTML Complete
  380. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] June Journal HTML Complete
  381. 2002-08-27 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> RE: [hangout] RE: LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  382. 2002-08-27 From: "Phil Glaser" <StillSmallVoice-at-directvinternet.com> RE: [hangout] RE: LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  383. 2002-08-27 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] RE: LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  384. 2002-08-27 From: "Phil Glaser" <StillSmallVoice-at-directvinternet.com> RE: [hangout] RE: LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  385. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  386. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  387. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  388. 2002-08-27 From: "Phil Glaser" <StillSmallVoice-at-directvinternet.com> RE: [hangout] RE: LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  389. 2002-08-27 From: "Phil Glaser" <StillSmallVoice-at-directvinternet.com> RE: [hangout] RE: LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  390. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  391. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  392. 2002-08-27 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> RE: [hangout] RE: LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  393. 2002-08-27 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> RE: [hangout] RE: LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  394. 2002-08-27 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Walmart
  395. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Closing Down Asha
  396. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Closing Down Asha
  397. 2002-08-27 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] Important read...
  398. 2002-08-27 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] Important read...
  399. 2002-08-27 Joe Villari <joev-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] June Journal HTML Complete
  400. 2002-08-27 Joe Villari <joev-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] June Journal HTML Complete
  401. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Membership Web Pages
  402. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Demo topics and schedule, [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  403. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Demo topics and schedule, [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  404. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Suggestions for classes
  405. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Suggestions for classes
  406. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Suggestions for classes
  407. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Walmart
  408. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Walmart
  409. 2002-08-28 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Closing Down Asha
  410. 2002-08-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Closing Down Asha
  411. 2002-08-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Closing Down Asha
  412. 2002-08-28 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Closing Down Asha
  413. 2002-08-28 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Closing Down Asha
  414. 2002-08-28 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] June Journal HTML Complete
  415. 2002-08-28 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] June Journal HTML Complete
  416. 2002-08-28 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] RE: LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  417. 2002-08-28 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FW: Linux Oct 23 at LAGCC
  418. 2002-08-28 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FW: Linux Oct 23 at LAGCC
  419. 2002-08-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] RADIO SHOW
  420. 2002-08-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] RADIO SHOW
  421. 2002-08-28 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Subject: [hangout] [events-at-mail.lokmail.net: Tonight! Reverend Billy at Den of Cin- Campaign to ReClaimThe.Net]
  422. 2002-08-28 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Subject: [hangout] [events-at-mail.lokmail.net: Tonight! Reverend Billy at Den of Cin- Campaign to ReClaimThe.Net]
  423. 2002-08-29 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] ASHA
  424. 2002-08-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] June Journal HTML Complete
  425. 2002-08-29 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [hangout] Hangout-Clone List Admin Message for Brett Wynkoop
  426. 2002-08-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [novalug] Fwd: Re: [hangout] Fwd: Department of Commerce Report [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com] [a1enviro-at-cloud9.net]
  427. 2002-08-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Department of Commerce Report [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  428. 2002-08-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: GNU/Linux Free SOftware Organization to offer you free (as in Beer)training [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  429. 2002-08-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Radio Show on Sunday..
  430. 2002-08-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: nylxs move (fwd)

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