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DATE 2002-09-20
FROM Jonathan Bober
SUBJECT Re: [hangout] Now, it's getting scary, and FAST
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What is the source on this story?

On Fri, 20 Sep 2002 13:41:15 -0400
Ray Connolly wrote:

>
> This is getting out of hand bretheren. It's a sad day when this American
> hopes a foriegn company will see the light and save us. What is this country
> coming too!!!!
>
> Palladium: Now AMD joins the party
> Date: Friday, September 20 -at- 10:07:32 EDT
> Topic: News
>
> Advanced Micro Devices will include Microsoft's Palladium "trusted" --
> meaning Microsoft-approved software only -- support in its next generation
> of chips, according to published reports.
>
> The Opteron chip, to be released in 2003, will refuse to run applications or
> display content that has not been digitally signed by Microsoft or one if
> its designees. This, Microsoft says, will increase security. Certainly it
> will increase the security of Microsoft Corporation and its shareholders.
>
> While a Microsoft project, Palladium is nominally under the control of the
> Trusted Computing Platform Alliance, of which AMD is a member.
>
> AMD has been working toward Palladium compliance for some time as a result
> of pressure from the motion picture and music industries. It has worked with
> Wave Systems Corporation to achieve this end; Wave published a report (pdf
> file) on the subject more than two years ago.
>
> In a report in The Age entitled "Bit by bit, digital freedom disappears",
> writer Nathan Cochrane notes that Palladium will be all-encompassing:
>
> "For the end-to-end security features to work as envisioned by the TCPA, all
> parties along the network chain must build in complementary security
> features. Chips from the likes of AMD and Intel will only decode
> information, such as audio and video, if it comes with an unlocking key.
> Hard-drive makers will make drives that won't record certain types of
> information, and so on."
>
> But, Cochrane says, it scarcely stops there, as if that were not bad enough:
>
> "It is envisaged that once the TCPA system is fully functioning, our PCs
> would quietly report to authorities any unauthorised content on our
> machines. PCs and other devices would also refuse to play content, such as a
> music CD, tied to another device, and may be instructed by a remote server
> to delete information from the owner's hard drive."
>
> At issue, of course, is what constitutes "content," and what Palladium will
> do with applications that do not accept instructions from the motion picture
> and recording industries and, of course, from Microsoft itself. Microsoft
> has already released a Media Player update that allows the company to delete
> files from user machines.
>
> AMD's "vice president of consumer advocacy," Patrick Moorhead, says that
> concerns over privacy in connection with Palladium are overrated. But, he
> says, users should be able to defeat Palladium if they choose.
>
> That might not be so easy. If legislation sponsored by Sen. Ernest Hollings,
> Democrat of South Carolina, is approved, there could be federal prison time
> awaiting anyone who disables "security" features his legislation would
> mandate. The bill calls for adoption of whatever is the "industry standard"
> technology for protecting the copyrighted work of movie and music companies,
> which more and more looks as if it will be Palladium. (An analysis of
> Hollings's proposal is here.)
>
> If AMD persists in including Palladium in its new chips, the leading safe
> haven for those who run non-Microsoft software will disappear. Unknown is
> whether European and other nations, who have increasingly rejected the
> Microsoft monopoly, will enact legislation that pre-empts Palladium.
>
> Let your voice be heard, here's an email address at AMD: hw.support-at-amd.com
>
> If somebody finds a better one please post it.
> ____________________________
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