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Subject: Re: [hangout] Re: DC 7/17: Advocates Meeting with DOC
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On Tuesday, October 1, 2002, at 10:06 AM, Joe Grastara wrote:
> I can back Ruben up on his statement that they don't care about our
> point of view. I was sitting in Congressman Weiner's office when he
> told Ruben and I as much. This fight is not going to be won with a
> good debate. The interests lined up against us are simply to
> powerful. No amount of reasoning is going to outweigh the kind of
> money they throw around on Capital Hill. Ruben is right. Essentially
> we need to scare these guys into thinking that they won't be reelected
> if they push through legislation such as Berman's Bill.
> -Joe G.
> On Tuesday, October 1, 2002, at 05:16 AM, Ruben I Safir wrote:
>> I tried to say that nicely but he got crossed up in the scable
>> between Jay,
>> Seth and myself.
>> I'm not saying Dave is a bad guy.
>> I'm saying we need to focus on the developing political power. It's
>> a mistake to
>> think they are really interested in our point of view.
>> On 2002.10.01 02:18 Richard Stallman wrote:
>>> Or is the goal to shut me up?
>>> He is criticizing the views that you stated a few weeks ago,
>>> and saying that your presenting them would not help our cause.
>> Brooklyn Linux Solutions
>> DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS http://www.nyfairuse.org
>> http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting
>> http://www.nylxs.com/radio - Free Software Radio Show and Archives
>> http://www.brooklynonline.com - For the love of Brooklyn
>> http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
>> http://www.nyfairuse.org - The foundation of Democracy
>> http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories
>> and articles from around the net
>> http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/mp3/dr.mp3 - Imagine my surprise when I saw
>> http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown
>> New Yorker Free Software Users Scene
>> Fair Use -
>> because it's either fair use or useless....
> New Yorker Free Software Users Scene
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