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DATE 2002-10-23
FROM Seth Johnson
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William Brent wrote:
>
> I'm confused - isn't the public already entitled to anything the
> government develops with tax dollars? (unless national security
> is at risk)?


Not since Bayh-Dole was passed in 1980. Bayh-Dole actually
said that private interests could appropriate the fruits of
publicly-funded research. Astonishing, right? That's what
all the "Technology Transfer" Offices at the universities
are all about. They get to sell research to big
pharmaceuticals and software houses -- and the contracts are
kept secret.

A major part of the large picture. A huge racket.

Below I've pasted a bit on developments in this arena.

Seth Johnson

----

Two giant constituencies -- who naturally ought to have at
heart many of the same concerns as the presently burgeoning
community of citizens concerned about Federal and
international policy initiatives that affect their
technological and online freedom -- are now in the position
of selling out their legally recognized power to resist
these initiatives. These constituencies are the sovereign
American States and their Universities.

Following is a letter to Senator Leahy from the Bayh-Dole
stakeholders at numerous United States universities
(University "Technology Transfer Officers") on Leahy's
Senate Bill S-2031 (The "Intellectual Property Protection
Restoration Act").

Bayh-Dole is the Act that signals the moment at which
Universities in America went from "intellectual property" to
Intellectual Property, abrogating the clear understanding
that they had held of how metaphorical and internally
contradictory that phrase actually is.

Bayh-Dole not only undermined the Universities' mission of
fostering the advancement of general human knowledge, but it
also created a group of people with a vested interest in the
idea that they should be able to sell the fruits of their
research, despite the fact that it is Federally funded and
traditionally in the public domain as a result. Bayh-Dole
authorized Universities to enter into enormously lucrative
private contracts with big-time "IP" stakeholders such as
pharmaceuticals and software companies, in which those
companies could obtain ownership of the fruits of the
Federally-funded State schools' research.

S-2031 is a ludicrous Bill now entered before Congress,
specifically designed to counter the fact that as sovereign
powers, States and their Universities have immunity against
Federal claims of intellectual property infringement.

Certain Supreme Court cases have affirmed that the States
have sovereignty such that they would be immune from charges
of "intellectual property" infringement from the Federal
level. A State can very well, if it chooses, grant broad
freedoms to its Universities in the use of copyrighted and
other materials.

The letterwriters, beneficiaries of the Bayh-Dole Act,
specifically state that they are supportive of the Bill's
purpose of preventing "end runs" on the part of the States,
if the Bill would only incorporate provisions to allow
individual State Universities to grant their own waivers for
themselves. They propose that these provisions would assure
that the Federal Government could more easily obtain waivers
from the States against their asserting sovereign immunity
in "intellectual property" matters.

This Bill, and this response on the part of Bayh-Dole
"Technology Transfer Officers," are vastly misguided. While
the provisions in this letter might have the interesting
effect of undermining the force of Leahy's Bill, the
position it presents nevertheless fails to address the real
issues at stake.

Concerned citizens should act now to drive a wedge between
the States, who should know better, and the Feds, who have
been coopting the Universities in their mission for many
years now, with little to no input on the part of the broad
populace, who are the ones most affected by shortsighted
policies such as the DMCA and other content industry and
WIPO-inspired measures.

This circumstance places at stake one of the most powerful
recourses to which American citizens may resort against a
large array of issues related to the enforcement of
so-called "intellectual property."

Numerous law scholars are articulating a rationale for
S-2031 on the theory that it is not fair for States to be
able to assert autonomy regarding "intellectual property"
policy. But the truth is, America needs those who are the
supposed stewards of academic intellectual freedom to seize
any opportunity to resist and overturn attempts to make
property out of ideas.

The conscientious action of just a few enlightened
University Officers, or even of otherwise compromised
Bayh-Dole agents, can go miles towards reversing the bribe
that Bayh-Dole instituted in 1980. Universities and their
State Representatives must register their outrage ragarding
the idea of selling out their States' "birthright," so to
speak, and speak the truth in clear and uncompromising terms
about what Bayh-Dole and S-2031 really mean.

Seth Johnson


Following are 1) a snippet of an Alternet article on
Bayh-Dole; 2) the reformist letter; and 3) the
(reformist-amended version of) the S-2031 Bill.

On Bayh-Dole, see:

http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=9290
http://www.openinformatics.org/faq.html#bayh-dole

[CC] Counter-copyright:
http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/cc/cc.html

----

(From the Alternet article:)

Prior to the passage of the Bayh-Dole Act, patent laws
strictly separated academic research from corporate profit.
If a scientist took even one dime of money from the
government, then the rights to his or her discovery remained
in the public domain. In the mid 1970s, with the economy in
a slump, and the U.S. trailing Japan in the technology
revolution, corporations began lobbying for changes in the
patent laws, changes that would hasten the transfer of
technologies from the public to the private sectors.

In 1980, Bob Dole co-sponsored a bill that gave private
industry exclusive licensing rights to any promising
discoveries arising from federally funded research. In
Congressional hearings on the bill, then Commerce Secretary
Phillip Klutznick remarked that the bill was akin to "using
tax money to pay a contractor to build a road and then
allowing the contractor to charge an additional toll to
those who travel the road."

Admiral Hyman Rickover added his objections, testifying that
rather than serving the public interest, the bill would:
"throttle technological development, hurt small business,
stifle competition, and cost the taxpayer plenty while
promoting 'greater concentration of economic power in the
hands of large corporations'."

Nevertheless, Bayh-Dole was enacted in October 1980, and
thenceforth, the fruits of academic research passed from
taxpayer funded laboratories directly to the wallets of the
pharmaceutical manufacturers.

The icing on the cake was augmentation of Bayh-Dole with the
Federal Technology Transfer Act of 1986. This law allows
government researchers at federal laboratories like the
National Institutes of Health (NIH) to cut deals with
biotech and pharmaceutical firms, known as Cooperative
Research and Development Agreements, effectively privatizing
all federally funded research.

All agreements made under the Bayh-Dole Act are secret.
Here's one that was made public only when it was nipped in
the bud by the NIH. In 1992, Scripps Research Institute, of
La Jolla California, a facility which receives $100 million
annually from the NIH, made a deal with Sandoz, the Swiss
pharmceutical firm. Sandoz would pay Scripps $300 million
over 10 years, in return for exclusive rights to all
discoveries made by Scripps.


(The letter, forwarded from UVentures Techno-L list,
Techno-L-at-lists.uventures.com)

Mani Iyer (miyer-at-lsu.edu) wrote: > > Folks:
> We at Louisiana State University have developed a letter
> to send to Senators and Representatives to alert them to
> the devastating effect that S. 2031 would have on
> technology transfer at state universities, and to propose
> an amendment to the bill that would make it far less
> damaging, while still achieving the goals sought by the
> bill's proponents.
>
> We invite you to use our letter as a model on which you
> may wish to base your own letter to your state
> Congressional delegation. Such letters are probably most
> effective when signed by higher-ranking officials --
> e.g., by the university president, chancellor, or both,
> rather than by the technology transfer officer (no
> offense intended -- I'm one myself).
>
> The model letter may be downloaded at:
> http://www.lsu.edu/intellectual_property/Senate_Letter.doc
>
> (Please let me know if you are unable to download the model letter)
>
> Sincerely,
> - Mani
> ======================================
> Mani Iyer, Director
> Office of Intellectual Property
> Louisiana State University
> 203 David Boyd Hall
> Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70803-6100, USA
> Tel: 225-578-6941 Fax: 225-578-4925
> E-Mail: miyer-at-lsu.edu
> http://www.lsu.edu/intellectual_property
> =======================================
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----

(The letter:)

[To be Printed on Appropriate Letterhead]

April ____, 2002

Senator ________________ Via Fed Ex
_______________
Senate Office Building Washington, D.C. 20510-______

RE: Pending State Sovereign Immunity / Intellectual
Property Bills (S. 2031, S. 1611, H.R. 3204)

Dear Senator _________:

We write to voice our grave concern over the
unintended consequences of S. 2031, and to suggest an
amendment that would resolve these concerns while still
achieving the ends sought by the bill’s sponsors.

In 1980 Congress passed the Bayh-Dole Act, 35 U.S.C.
§ 200-212, to promote technology transfer and economic
development by encouraging universities to patent inventions
made with federal support, and to license those inventions
to private industry.

The Bayh-Dole Act has worked well. The Association
of University Technology Managers (AUTM) has reported that
technology transfer in FY 1999 (conducted largely but not
exclusively by universities) had added about $40 billion to
the U.S. economy, supported 260,000 jobs, and helped to
spawn new businesses, industries, and markets. AUTM said
that there was strong support for the conclusion that at
least 2000 products are presently available to the public
that would never have been created in the absence of
technology transfer, development, and licensing activities
by AUTM members.

Owners of patents, copyrights, and trademarks can
enforce their rights by bringing suit against infringers.
However, the Supreme Court has interpreted the Eleventh
Amendment to grant states and some state agencies “sovereign
immunity” from such infringement actions in federal court.
Congress has previously enacted statutes attempting to
abrogate state sovereign immunity under federal intellectual
property laws, but in 1999 the Supreme Court invalidated
these statutes. Florida Prepaid Postsecondary Education
Expense Board v. College Savings Bank, 527 U.S. 627 (1999);
College Savings Bank v. Florida Prepaid Postsecondary
Education Expense Board, 527 U.S. 666 (1999). The current
status of the law, therefore, is that states and many state
agencies (including many state universities) may sue others
for infringement of state-owned intellectual property; but
they may not, in turn, be sued for damages in federal court
for infringing patents, copyrights, and federally-registered
trademarks, unless the state agrees to be sued.

S. 2031, introduced by Senator Leahy (also S.1611 &
H.R. 3204), while intended to “level the playing field,”
would annul many of the rights associated with patents,
copyrights, and trademarks owned by a state and by state
universities, such as _________. To avoid these harsh
penalties, a state would be required to waive its sovereign
immunity in suits concerning patents, copyrights, and
federally-registered trademarks. This bill is
well-intentioned, but would have major, unintended
consequences.

An effective waiver of immunity under this
legislation could only be made by the state as a whole, not
by an individual state university. Unless a state agreed to
be sued by anyone who wished to bring a claim for patent,
copyright, or trademark infringement, that state and its
agencies would no longer be able to enforce or license
intellectual property rights effectively. The result would
be to reduce or eliminate the potential for licensing
university intellectual property rights to private industry,
and consequently to reduce or eliminate promising
possibilities for economic development.

The pending legislation provides that a waiver of
sovereign immunity would not avoid these penalties unless
the waiver were made by the state as a whole. For example,
even if an individual state university such as _________
were willing to waive its own sovereign immunity in response
to this legislation, that waiver would be ineffective -- it
would not restore the university’s intellectual property
rights. Under the pending bill, a waiver would not be
effective unless it were made on behalf of the entire state.

The proposed legislation would have significant,
unintended consequences. The law would hamper technology
transfer and economic development, activities that Congress
has otherwise strongly encouraged, especially through the
highly successful, 22-year-old Bayh-Dole Act. The proposed
law would place a state research university in the untenable
position of being a proponent in the state legislature for a
waiver of sovereign immunity that would extend to the entire
state. If a state research university were unable to
convince its legislature to consent to any and all
infringement suits against the state highway department,
state hospitals, and all other branches of state government,
then that university would effectively be shut out of
technology transfer and development. That situation could
cause highly qualified faculty members to seek employment
elsewhere.

The proposed legislation is well-intentioned, but it
is a solution to a non-existent problem. States have not
hidden behind sovereign immunity to trample private
intellectual property rights. A September 2001 study by the
General Accounting Office found that “few accusations of
intellectual property infringement appear to have been made
against the states either through the courts or
administratively” over the last fifteen years. Furthermore,
many such disputes are settled out-of-court in a mutually
satisfactory manner, such as by obtaining a license or
reaching a monetary settlement. Also, “checks and
balances” operating through political channels help to
ensure that state agencies do not disregard legitimate
private rights.

The proposed legislation would place state research
universities at a distinct disadvantage compared to private
universities. To be allowed to continue technology transfer
activities, a state university would be forced to persuade
the state legislature to enact legislation affecting the
entire state government and all its agencies. A private
university would suffer no such impediment, because private
universities could continue their technology transfer
activities without the need for any new,
politically-difficult state legislation.

The proposed legislation would also
disproportionately affect state research universities
compared to other state agencies. State agencies other than
universities would not suffer significantly, because other
state agencies typically do not play a substantial role in
the technology transfer and development activities that
would be primarily affected by the bill.

The proposed legislation would disregard a sovereign
immunity waiver made on behalf of an individual state
university. But the law’s impact could be made less drastic
-- and the law might in fact go further toward achieving its
proponent’s goals -- if it were amended to recognize a
waiver of sovereign immunity made on behalf of a state
university. If a university need only obtain a waiver of
sovereign immunity for itself, and not for the highway
department and all other parts of the state government, then
the waivers of sovereign immunity sought by the bill’s
proponents might well be more forthcoming. The agencies who
actually participate in intellectual property programs would
waive sovereign immunity, thus putting the players on the
level playing field that the bill’s proponents seek. Then
state universities need only take appropriate action to
obtain an immunity waiver on their own behalf, without being
forced into the impossible position of seeking a waiver that
would extend to the entire state government.

We are enclosing a proposed amendment to S. 2031
along these lines. The amendment would also recognize
immunity waivers made by bona fide state universities, in
addition to a waiver made by an entire state. The proposed
exception would apply only to bona fide state universities,
and therefore would not allow a state to make an “end run”
around the intention of the legislation by placing
intellectual property in the hands of another state agency.
(We understand that the possibility of such “end runs” is a
concern of the bill’s proponents. The proposed amendment
would not recognize them.) The amendment would also delay
the effective dates by an additional 12 months, to allow
sufficient time to enact legislation (or other appropriate
form of waiver) at the state level.

The 1980 Bayh-Dole Act has been highly successful in
jump-starting technology transfer and economic development
through universities around the country. The pending
legislation threatens to take this away, and could also
cause productive faculty members to leave state universities
such as ________. Governor ________________, and his
counterparts in other states, have encouraged economic
development by using universities and university-associated
incubators to promote biotechnology and other high
technology businesses. The effect of this bill could be to
kill these nascent efforts before they even have a chance to
get off the ground.

By contrast, if the bill were amended to recognize
waivers of sovereign immunity made by or on behalf of bona
fide state universities such as ___________, then it would
not be nearly so devastating to universities, and the
sovereign immunity waivers sought by the bill’s proponents
are considerably more likely to be granted.

Thank you for looking into this matter, and for
considering the enclosed amendment to the bill.

Very truly yours,


Enclosure

----

(The [Proposed Revised] Bill:)

Intellectual Property Protection Restoration Act of 2002
(Introduced in the Senate)

S 2031 IS

107th CONGRESS

2d Session

S. 2031

To restore Federal remedies for infringements of
intellectual property by States, and for other purposes.

IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES

March 19, 2002


A BILL [Proposed amendments to the bill are highlighted.]

To restore Federal remedies for infringements of
intellectual property by States, and for other purposes.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of
Representatives of the United States of America in Congress
assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE; REFERENCES.

(a) SHORT TITLE- This Act may be cited as the
`Intellectual Property Protection Restoration Act of 2002'.

(b) REFERENCES-

(1) Any reference in this Act to the Trademark Act of 1946
shall be a reference to the Act entitled `An Act to provide
for the registration and protection of trade-marks used in
commerce, to carry out the provisions of certain
international conventions, and for other purposes', approved
July 5, 1946 (15 U.S.C. 1051 et seq.).

(2) Any reference in this Act to a State university
shall mean a State instrumentality that is an institution of
higher education under 20 U.S.C. 1001; or a land grant
college or university under the First Morrill Act of July 2,
1862 or the Second Morrill Act of August 30, 1890; or a
State instrumentality that is a system that includes more
than one such institution of higher education.


SEC. 2. PURPOSES.

The purposes of this Act are to-- (1) help
eliminate the unfair commercial advantage that States and
their instrumentalities now hold in the Federal intellectual
property system because of their ability to obtain
protection under the United States patent, copyright, and
trademark laws while remaining exempt from liability for
infringing the rights of others;

(2) promote technological innovation and
artistic creation in furtherance of the policies underlying
Federal laws and international treaties relating to
intellectual property;

(3) reaffirm the availability of prospective
relief against State officials who are violating or who
threaten to violate Federal intellectual property laws; and

(4) abrogate State sovereign immunity in cases
where States or their instrumentalities, officers, or
employees violate the United States Constitution by
infringing Federal intellectual property.

SEC. 3. INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY REMEDIES EQUALIZATION.

(a) AMENDMENT TO PATENT LAW- Section 287 of title 35,
United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the
following:

`(d)(1) No remedies under section 284 or 289 shall be
awarded in any civil action brought under this title for
infringement of a patent issued on or after January 1, 2002
2003, if a State or State instrumentality
is or was at any time the legal or beneficial owner of such
patent, except upon proof that--

`(A)

(1) on or before the date the infringement commenced or
January 1, 2004 2005, whichever is later, the State has
waived its immunity, under the eleventh amendment of the
United States Constitution and under any other doctrine of
sovereign immunity, from suit in Federal court brought
against the State or any of its instrumentalities, for any
infringement of intellectual property protected under
Federal law; or

(2) if a State university is or was at any time the
legal or beneficial owner of such patent, then on or before
the date the infringement commenced or January 1, 2005,
whichever is later, immunity has been waived by or on behalf
of the State university, under the eleventh amendment of the
United States Constitution and under any other doctrine of
sovereign immunity, from suit in Federal court brought
against that State university, for any infringement of
intellectual property protected under Federal law;


and

`(B) such waiver was made in accordance with the
constitution and laws of the State, and remains effective.

`(2) The limitation on remedies under paragraph (1)
shall not apply with respect to a patent if--

`(A) the limitation would materially and
adversely affect a legitimate contract-based expectation in
existence before January 1, 2002 2003; or

`(B) the party seeking remedies was a bona fide
purchaser for value of the patent, and, at the time of the
purchase, did not know and was reasonably without cause to
believe that a State or State instrumentality was once the
legal or beneficial owner of the patent.

`(3) The limitation on remedies under paragraph (1)
may be raised at any point in a proceeding, through the
conclusion of the action. If raised before January 1, 2004
2005, the court may stay the proceeding for a reasonable
time, but not later than January 1, 2004 2005, to afford the
State an opportunity to waive its immunity as provided in
paragraph (1).'.

(b) AMENDMENT TO COPYRIGHT LAW- Section 504 of title
17, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the
following:

`(e) LIMITATION ON REMEDIES IN CERTAIN CASES-

`(1) No remedies under this section shall be
awarded in any civil action brought under this title for
infringement of an exclusive right in a work created on or
after January 1, 2002 2003, if a State or
State instrumentality is or was at any time the legal or
beneficial owner of such right, except upon proof that--

`(A)

(1) on or before the date the infringement commenced or
January 1, 2004 2005, whichever is later, the State has
waived its immunity, under the eleventh amendment of the
United States Constitution and under any other doctrine of
sovereign immunity, from suit in Federal court brought
against the State or any of its instrumentalities, for any
infringement of intellectual property protected under
Federal law; or

(2) if a State university is or was at any time the
legal or beneficial owner of such patent, then on or before
the date the infringement commenced or January 1, 2005,
whichever is later, immunity has been waived by or on behalf
of the State university, under the eleventh amendment of the
United States Constitution and under any other doctrine of
sovereign immunity, from suit in Federal court brought
against that State university, for any infringement of
intellectual property protected under Federal law;


and

`(B) such waiver was made in accordance with the
constitution and laws of the State, and remains effective.

`(2) The limitation on remedies under paragraph
(1) shall not apply with respect to an exclusive right if--

`(A) the limitation would materially and
adversely affect a legitimate contract-based expectation in
existence before January 1, 2002 2003; or

`(B) the party seeking remedies was a bona
fide purchaser for value of the exclusive right, and, at the
time of the purchase, did not know and was reasonably
without cause to believe that a State or State
instrumentality was once the legal or beneficial owner of
the right.

`(3) The limitation on remedies under paragraph
(1) may be raised at any point in a proceeding, through the
conclusion of the action. If raised before January 1, 2004
2005, the court may stay the proceeding
for a reasonable time, but not later than January 1, 2004
2005, to afford the State an opportunity
to waive its immunity as provided in paragraph (1).'.

(c) AMENDMENT TO TRADEMARK LAW- Section 35 of the
Trademark Act of 1946 (15 U.S.C. 1117) is amended by adding
at the end the following:

`(e) LIMITATION ON REMEDIES IN CERTAIN CASES-

`(1) No remedies under this section shall be
awarded in any civil action arising under this Act for a
violation of any right of the registrant of a mark
registered in the Patent and Trademark Office on or after
January 1, 2002 2003, or any right of the
owner of a mark first used in commerce on or after January
1, 2002 2003, if a State or State
instrumentality is or was at any time the legal or
beneficial owner of such right, except upon proof that--

`(A)

(1) on or before the date the violation commenced or January
1, 2004 2005, whichever is later, the State has waived its
immunity, under the eleventh amendment of the United States
Constitution and under any other doctrine of sovereign
immunity, from suit in Federal court brought against the
State or any of its instrumentalities, for any infringement
of intellectual property protected under Federal law; or

(2) if a State university is or was at any time the
legal or beneficial owner of such patent, then on or before
the date the infringement commenced or January 1, 2005,
whichever is later, immunity has been waived by or on behalf
of the State university, under the eleventh amendment of the
United States Constitution and under any other doctrine of
sovereign immunity, from suit in Federal court brought
against that State university, for any infringement of
intellectual property protected under Federal law;


and

`(B) such waiver was made in accordance with the
constitution and laws of the State, and remains effective.

`(2) The limitation on remedies under paragraph
(1) shall not apply with respect to a right of the
registrant or owner of a mark if--

`(A) the limitation would materially and
adversely affect a legitimate contract-based expectation in
existence before January 1, 2002 2003; or

`(B) the party seeking remedies was a bona
fide purchaser for value of the right, and, at the time of
the purchase, did not know and was reasonably without cause
to believe that a State or State instrumentality was once
the legal or beneficial owner of the right.

`(3) The limitation on remedies under paragraph
(1) may be raised at any point in a proceeding, through the
conclusion of the action. If raised before January 1, 2004
2005, the court may stay the proceeding
for a reasonable time, but not later than January 1, 2004
2005, to afford the State an opportunity
to waive its immunity as provided in paragraph (1).'.

(d) TECHNICAL AND CONFORMING AMENDMENTS-

(1) AMENDMENTS TO PATENT LAW-

(A) IN GENERAL- Section 296 of title 35,
United States Code, is repealed.

(B) TABLE OF SECTIONS- The table of
sections for chapter 29 of title 35, United States Code, is
amended by striking the item relating to section 296.

(2) AMENDMENTS TO COPYRIGHT LAW-

(A) IN GENERAL- Section 511 of title 17,
United States Code, is repealed.

(B) TABLE OF SECTIONS- The table of
sections for chapter 5 of title 17, United States Code, is
amended by striking the item relating to section 511.

(3) AMENDMENTS TO TRADEMARK LAW- Section 40 of
the Trademark Act of 1946 (15 U.S.C. 1122) is amended--

(A) by striking subsection (b);

(B) in subsection (c), by striking `or
(b)' after `subsection (a)'; and

(C) by redesignating subsection (c) as
subsection (b).

SEC. 4. CLARIFICATION OF REMEDIES AVAILABLE FOR STATUTORY
VIOLATIONS BY STATE OFFICERS AND EMPLOYEES.

In any action against an officer or employee of a
State or State instrumentality for any violation of any of
the provisions of title 17 or 35, United States Code, the
Trademark Act of 1946, or the Plant Variety Protection Act
(7 U.S.C. 2321 et seq.), remedies shall be available against
the officer or employee in the same manner and to the same
extent as such remedies are available in an action against a
private individual under like circumstances. Such remedies
may include monetary damages assessed against the officer or
employee, declaratory and injunctive relief, costs, attorney
fees, and destruction of infringing articles, as provided
under the applicable Federal statute.

SEC. 5. LIABILITY OF STATES FOR CONSTITUTIONAL VIOLATIONS
INVOLVING INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY.

(a) DUE PROCESS VIOLATIONS- Any State or State
instrumentality that violates any of the exclusive rights of
a patent owner under title 35, United States Code, of a
copyright owner, author, or owner of a mask work or original
design under title 17, United States Code, of an owner or
registrant of a mark used in commerce or registered in the
Patent and Trademark Office under the Trademark Act of 1946,
or of an owner of a protected plant variety under the Plant
Variety Protection Act (7 U.S.C. 2321 et seq.), in a manner
that deprives any person of property in violation of the
fourteenth amendment of the United States Constitution,
shall be liable to the party injured in a civil action in
Federal court for compensation for the harm caused by such
violation.

(b) TAKINGS VIOLATIONS-

(1) IN GENERAL- Any State or State
instrumentality that violates any of the exclusive rights of
a patent owner under title 35, United States Code, of a
copyright owner, author, or owner of a mask work or original
design under title 17, United States Code, of an owner or
registrant of a mark used in commerce or registered in the
Patent and Trademark Office under the Trademark Act of 1946,
or of an owner of a protected plant variety under the Plant
Variety Protection Act (7 U.S.C. 2321 et seq.), in a manner
that takes property in violation of the fifth and fourteenth
amendments of the United States Constitution, shall be
liable to the party injured in a civil action in Federal
court for compensation for the harm caused by such
violation.

(2) EFFECT ON OTHER RELIEF- Nothing in this
subsection shall prevent or affect the ability of a party to
obtain declaratory or injunctive relief under section 4 of
this Act or otherwise.

(c) COMPENSATION- Compensation under subsection (a) or
(b)--

(1) may include actual damages, profits,
statutory damages, interest, costs, expert witness fees, and
attorney fees, as set forth in the appropriate provisions of
title 17 or 35, United States Code, the Trademark Act of
1946, and the Plant Variety Protection Act; and

(2) may not include an award of treble or
enhanced damages under section 284 of title 35, United
States Code, section 504(d) of title 17, United States Code,
section 35(b) of the Trademark Act of 1946 (15 U.S.C. 1117
(b)), and section 124(b) of the Plant Variety Protection Act
(7 U.S.C. 2564(b)).

(d) BURDEN OF PROOF- In any action under subsection
(a) or (b)-- (1) with respect to any matter that
would have to be proved if the action were an action for
infringement brought under the applicable Federal statute,
the burden of proof shall be the same as if the action were
brought under such statute; and

(2) with respect to all other matters, including
whether the State provides an adequate remedy for any
deprivation of property proved by the injured party under
subsection (a), the burden of proof shall be upon the State
or State instrumentality.

(e) EFFECTIVE DATE- This section shall apply to
violations that occur on or after the date of enactment of
this Act.

SEC. 6. RULES OF CONSTRUCTION.

(a) JURISDICTION- The district courts shall have
original jurisdiction of any action arising under this Act
under section 1338 of title 28, United States Code.
(b) BROAD CONSTRUCTION- This Act shall be construed in favor
of a broad protection of intellectual property, to the
maximum extent permitted by the United States Constitution.

(c) SEVERABILITY- If any provision of this Act or any
application of such provision to any person or circumstance
is held to be unconstitutional, the remainder of this Act
and the application of the provision to any other person or
circumstance shall not be affected.

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  1. 2002-10-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: RE: [hangout] Congressional Letter to Send to Weiners Office [rub en-at-mrbrklyn.com] [Lamar.Robertson-at-mail.house.gov]
  2. 2002-10-01 Joe Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Re: DC 7/17: Advocates Meeting with DOC
  3. 2002-10-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fair Use and Property Rights in the digital age
  4. 2002-10-01 Richard Stallman <rms-at-gnu.org> Subject: [hangout] Re: DC 7/17: Advocates Meeting with DOC
  5. 2002-10-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] So where are we at with the Journal at this point?
  6. 2002-10-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Cgi Search
  7. 2002-10-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Europe for Fun and Pleasure
  8. 2002-10-02 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Europe for Fun and Pleasure
  9. 2002-10-02 Brendan Tween <btween-at-cossettepost.com> RE: [hangout] fair use bill
  10. 2002-10-02 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Cgi Search
  11. 2002-10-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Europe for Fun and Pleasure
  12. 2002-10-02 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] fair use bill
  13. 2002-10-02 From: "Phil Glaser" <StillSmallVoice-at-directvinternet.com> Subject: [hangout] La Guardia Demo Status: We MUST HAVE volunteers to work on publicity
  14. 2002-10-02 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: My speaking in DC
  15. 2002-10-03 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] Berman spreading more fud through Findlaw.
  16. 2002-10-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Business Funding
  17. 2002-10-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Coast to Coast Fame
  18. 2002-10-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Other CUNY Demo Stuff
  19. 2002-10-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: My speaking in DC
  20. 2002-10-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Digital Rights bills
  21. 2002-10-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Digital Rights bills
  22. 2002-10-04 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] World's First Review of Red Hat 8.0-Psyche
  23. 2002-10-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [nylug-talk] [hangout] La Guardia Demo Status: We MUST HAVE volunteers to work on publicity
  24. 2002-10-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Digital Rights bills
  25. 2002-10-06 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] audio PC
  26. 2002-10-06 From: "perry smith" <psmithcisdd-at-lycos.com> Subject: [hangout] audio PC
  27. 2002-10-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Digital Rights bills
  28. 2002-10-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] this mailing list
  29. 2002-10-07 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] CUNY Flyer from last Demo
  30. 2002-10-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Fiction is almost as strange as truth -- from th e Onion
  31. 2002-10-07 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] this mailing list
  32. 2002-10-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [thomas-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SuSE Security Announcement: hylafax (SuSE-SA:2002:035)]
  33. 2002-10-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [thomas-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SuSE Security Announcement: mod_php4 (SuSE-SA:2002:036)]
  34. 2002-10-08 From: "Ruben Safir" <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] Accents and other diacritical marks
  35. 2002-10-08 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] demo publicity
  36. 2002-10-08 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] demo publicity
  37. 2002-10-08 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] demo publicity
  38. 2002-10-08 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] demo publicity
  39. 2002-10-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] demo publicity
  40. 2002-10-08 From: "Ruben Safir" <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] demo publicity
  41. 2002-10-08 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] demo publicity
  42. 2002-10-08 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] demo publicity
  43. 2002-10-08 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] demo publicity
  44. 2002-10-08 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] FreeVo
  45. 2002-10-08 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] FreeVo
  46. 2002-10-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [nylug-talk] [hangout] La Guardia Demo Status: We MUST HAVE volunteers to work on publicity
  47. 2002-10-08 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [nylug-talk] [hangout] La Guardia Demo Status: We MUST HAVE volunteers to work on publicity
  48. 2002-10-08 From: "Miguel E. Jimenez" <mej-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Accents and other diacritical marks
  49. 2002-10-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] CUNY Demo
  50. 2002-10-08 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] demo publicity
  51. 2002-10-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: La Guardia Demo Status: volunteering: publicity
  52. 2002-10-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] RE: La Guardia Demo Status: volunteering: publicity
  53. 2002-10-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Accents and other diacritiical marks
  54. 2002-10-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Fiction is almost as strange as truth -- from th e Onion
  55. 2002-10-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] XP and Samba
  56. 2002-10-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] September Journal
  57. 2002-10-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Ammo for the War on Stupidity
  58. 2002-10-10 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Ammo for the War on Stupidity
  59. 2002-10-10 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Class flyers at demo
  60. 2002-10-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] New Phone
  61. 2002-10-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Re: perl modules for users
  62. 2002-10-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Save the Libraries
  63. 2002-10-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] shm
  64. 2002-10-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Interwoven/Perl Developer, New York City (onsite), United States, NY, New York City]
  65. 2002-10-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [notifier-at-eps.gov: FRAUDULENT LETTERS] Your Government at work
  66. 2002-10-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting
  67. 2002-10-11 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> RE: [hangout] Hardware Source
  68. 2002-10-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Hardware Source
  69. 2002-10-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] India moving to Linux
  70. 2002-10-11 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> RE: [hangout] Re: Bayonne at the Free Software Business Demo
  71. 2002-10-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Bayonne at the Free Software Business Demo
  72. 2002-10-11 From: "Phil Glaser" <StillSmallVoice-at-directvinternet.com> RE: [hangout] Re: the schedule of the demo
  73. 2002-10-11 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] videoing demo
  74. 2002-10-11 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] anti DRM arguments
  75. 2002-10-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Bayonne at the Free Software Business Demo
  76. 2002-10-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Meeting
  77. 2002-10-11 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] cd burning
  78. 2002-10-11 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Enterprise Linux Event - Dec 03-04, 2002 Boston Mass.
  79. 2002-10-11 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Hardware Source
  80. 2002-10-11 From: "Phil Glaser" <StillSmallVoice-at-directvinternet.com> Subject: [hangout] Here is the La Guardia Flier
  81. 2002-10-11 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Home Theater Links
  82. 2002-10-11 From: "Mahesh Chhatlani" <chhatlani-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] India moving to Linux
  83. 2002-10-11 From: "Ruben Safir" <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS.org
  84. 2002-10-11 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Bayonne at the Free Software Business Demo
  85. 2002-10-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Bayonne at the Free Software Business Demo
  86. 2002-10-11 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Bayonne at the Free Software Business Demo
  87. 2002-10-11 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] videoing demo
  88. 2002-10-12 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] Re: the schedule of the demo
  89. 2002-10-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Ari Jort article for journal
  90. 2002-10-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Don't forget to take the images [casandra-at-ix.netcom.com]
  91. 2002-10-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Perl Quiz of the Week [dha-at-panix.com]
  92. 2002-10-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS 1st Aniversity
  93. 2002-10-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] INIT problem
  94. 2002-10-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] There is a lesson here somewhere...
  95. 2002-10-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Much interesting news today in the Times
  96. 2002-10-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] New Fre Software Chambers of Commerce Pages up
  97. 2002-10-13 From: "Phil Glaser" <StillSmallVoice-at-directvinternet.com> Subject: [hangout] RE: Don't forget to take the images
  98. 2002-10-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Don't forget to take the images
  99. 2002-10-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: hangout problem
  100. 2002-10-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: hangout problem
  101. 2002-10-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Report on NYLXS.org Matter
  102. 2002-10-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: [SL] interesting info. Do we have to be worried? [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  103. 2002-10-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: [SL] interesting info. Do we have to be worried? [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  104. 2002-10-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS - Free Software Chamber of Commerce
  105. 2002-10-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS - Free Software Chamber of Commerce
  106. 2002-10-14 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: hangout problem
  107. 2002-10-14 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: hangout problem
  108. 2002-10-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [root-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com: [nylxs-announce] Linux Scene Calender for Today]
  109. 2002-10-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: [nylxs-announce] Business Initiative/Networking This Evening]
  110. 2002-10-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [syscon-at-telusplanet.net: Re: [SL] interesting info. Do we have to be worried?]
  111. 2002-10-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [syscon-at-telusplanet.net: Re: [SL] interesting info. Do we have to be worried?]
  112. 2002-10-15 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Here is the La Guardia Flier
  113. 2002-10-15 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Here is the La Guardia Flier
  114. 2002-10-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Here is the La Guardia Flier
  115. 2002-10-15 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: hangout problem
  116. 2002-10-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: hangout problem
  117. 2002-10-15 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: hangout problem
  118. 2002-10-15 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: hangout problem
  119. 2002-10-15 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: hangout problem
  120. 2002-10-16 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Board Report on NYLXS.org Matter
  121. 2002-10-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Report on NYLXS.org Matter
  122. 2002-10-16 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Call for Volunteers
  123. 2002-10-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Free Software Chamber of Commerce - Join us
  124. 2002-10-16 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> RE: [hangout] Free Software Chamber of Commerce - Join us
  125. 2002-10-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Here is the La Guardia Flier
  126. 2002-10-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Here is the La Guardia Flier
  127. 2002-10-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: hangout problem
  128. 2002-10-16 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Re: hangout problem
  129. 2002-10-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: hangout problem
  130. 2002-10-16 Joe Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Re: hangout problem
  131. 2002-10-16 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> RE: [hangout] Re: hangout problem
  132. 2002-10-16 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Re: hangout problem
  133. 2002-10-16 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Schedule flyer for LaGuardia Demo
  134. 2002-10-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] What the hell
  135. 2002-10-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] What the hell
  136. 2002-10-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Report on NYLXS.org Matter
  137. 2002-10-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Call for Volunteers
  138. 2002-10-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Demo Volunteers needed this Week and Next
  139. 2002-10-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software Chamber of Commerce - Join us
  140. 2002-10-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLUG Meeting tonite
  141. 2002-10-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS.NET
  142. 2002-10-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Free Software Chamber of Commerce - Join us
  143. 2002-10-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Schedule flyer for LaGuardia Demo
  144. 2002-10-16 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] What is the hangout address?
  145. 2002-10-16 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] What is the hangout address?
  146. 2002-10-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] What the hell
  147. 2002-10-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] What the hell
  148. 2002-10-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Call for Volunteers
  149. 2002-10-17 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] Hangout Problem Update
  150. 2002-10-17 Sunny Dubey <dubeys-at-bxscience.edu> Re: [hangout] Kmail client question
  151. 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Kmail client question
  152. 2002-10-17 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  153. 2002-10-17 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  154. 2002-10-17 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  155. 2002-10-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  156. 2002-10-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  157. 2002-10-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  158. 2002-10-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  159. 2002-10-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  160. 2002-10-17 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] problem with reply-to being changed, another Kmail question
  161. 2002-10-17 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Publicity
  162. 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Publicity
  163. 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Publicity
  164. 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Publicity
  165. 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Publicity
  166. 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Publicity-College Student help needed
  167. 2002-10-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: hangout problem
  168. 2002-10-17 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: hangout problem
  169. 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Re: hangout problem
  170. 2002-10-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Schedule flyer for LaGuardia Demo
  171. 2002-10-17 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Schedule flyer for LaGuardia Demo
  172. 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Schedule flyer for LaGuardia Demo
  173. 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Schedule flyer for LaGuardia Demo
  174. 2002-10-17 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Schedule flyer for LaGuardia Demo
  175. 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Schedule flyer for LaGuardia Demo
  176. 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Schedule flyer for LaGuardia Demo
  177. 2002-10-17 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> RE: [hangout] Schedule flyer for LaGuardia Demo
  178. 2002-10-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] The Class
  179. 2002-10-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] What is the hangout address?
  180. 2002-10-17 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] What is the hangout address?
  181. 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] What is the hangout address?
  182. 2002-10-17 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] What is the hangout address?
  183. 2002-10-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] What is the hangout address?
  184. 2002-10-17 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Hangout Problem Update
  185. 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] Kmail client question
  186. 2002-10-17 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  187. 2002-10-17 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Nov class flyers
  188. 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] problem with reply-to being changed, another Kmail question
  189. 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] Publicity
  190. 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] Publicity
  191. 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] quick confirmation: Bloomberg terminals run on Linux?
  192. 2002-10-17 Joe Villari <joev-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] The Class
  193. 2002-10-17 Joe Villari <joev-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] The Class
  194. 2002-10-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The DMCA - Wall Street Loves it
  195. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Call for Volunteers
  196. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Demo Transportation
  197. 2002-10-18 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Journal
  198. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Journal
  199. 2002-10-18 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  200. 2002-10-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  201. 2002-10-18 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  202. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  203. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  204. 2002-10-18 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  205. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  206. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  207. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  208. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  209. 2002-10-18 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  210. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  211. 2002-10-18 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Publicity
  212. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Publicity
  213. 2002-10-18 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] The Class
  214. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] The Class
  215. 2002-10-18 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] transportation
  216. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] transportation
  217. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] transportation
  218. 2002-10-18 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Buttons
  219. 2002-10-18 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Demo Transportation
  220. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Flyer Sunday?
  221. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FSCC and usiness advocay
  222. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] fsccfortbeDemo
  223. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Good News...
  224. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Journal
  225. 2002-10-18 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Marco
  226. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Putting up Flyer For the Demo
  227. 2002-10-18 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] transportation
  228. 2002-10-19 From: "Phil Glaser" <StillSmallVoice-at-directvinternet.com> RE: [hangout] Re: We need your bio for the Free Software Expo
  229. 2002-10-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: We need your bio for the Free Software Expo
  230. 2002-10-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: We need your bio for the Free Software Expo
  231. 2002-10-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Busy Week for NYLXS
  232. 2002-10-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] F*** Wynkoop et al
  233. 2002-10-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: GNU Bayonne key telephone system to be exhibited next week [dyfet-at-ostel.com]
  234. 2002-10-19 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Subject: [hangout] GNU Bayonne key telephone system to be exhibited next week
  235. 2002-10-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Good news and great news!
  236. 2002-10-19 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Good news and great news!
  237. 2002-10-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: We need your bio for the Free Software Expo
  238. 2002-10-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: We need your bio for the Free Software Expo
  239. 2002-10-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] What day for Network Meetings?
  240. 2002-10-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Citocorp at 12 Noon
  241. 2002-10-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Double Cursor/Pointer with X11 V4
  242. 2002-10-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Followup Action to Congressman Weiner's Meeting last month
  243. 2002-10-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: [nylug-talk] Project Management Software [bingalls-at-fit-zones.com]
  244. 2002-10-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYNMA Announcement
  245. 2002-10-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Project Management Software
  246. 2002-10-20 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: palladium presentation - anyone going? (fwd)
  247. 2002-10-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Free Software Expo LaGuardia College
  248. 2002-10-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Wed Oct 23 GNU/Linux Business Demo - info pages
  249. 2002-10-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re:Demo
  250. 2002-10-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [nylxs-announce] NYLXS Events for Today
  251. 2002-10-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: GNU/Linux within the New York City School System | Was: Re: [hangout] cablevision
  252. 2002-10-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Dot Org Pavillion in NYC [Kristin_Gallo-at-idg.com]
  253. 2002-10-21 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Dot Org Pavillion in NYC [Kristin_Gallo-at-idg.com]
  254. 2002-10-21 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Publicity
  255. 2002-10-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] Publicity
  256. 2002-10-21 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Publicity
  257. 2002-10-21 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Publicity
  258. 2002-10-21 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> RE: [hangout] Publicity - Attention Dimitar
  259. 2002-10-21 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Publicity - Attention Dimitar
  260. 2002-10-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Publicity - Attention Dimitar
  261. 2002-10-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Publicity - Attention Dimitar
  262. 2002-10-21 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Monday 21 October 2002 NYLXS In-Service: Billy Donahue on Joys and Perils of Programming with C and Tcl
  263. 2002-10-21 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Windows Spam Vulnerability
  264. 2002-10-21 Kevin Milani <news-at-impact-it.net> Re: [hangout] Windows Spam Vulnerability
  265. 2002-10-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Windows Spam Vulnerability
  266. 2002-10-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Windows Spam Vulnerability
  267. 2002-10-21 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Windows Spam Vulnerability
  268. 2002-10-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Birds of a Feather
  269. 2002-10-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Dot Org Pavillion in NYC
  270. 2002-10-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Dot Org Pavillion in NYC [Kristin_Gallo-at-idg.com]
  271. 2002-10-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [suse-security-announce] SuSE Security Announcement: postgresql (SuSE-SA:2002:038) [thomas-at-suse.de]
  272. 2002-10-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] JOURNAL BY THE DEMO?
  273. 2002-10-21 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] LaGuardia Still the Free Software Demo Mislabeled...
  274. 2002-10-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Paper
  275. 2002-10-21 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> Subject: [hangout] RE: LaGuardia Still the Free Software Demo Mislabeled...
  276. 2002-10-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Monday 21 October 2002 NYLXS In-Service: Billy Donahue on Joys and Perils of Programming with C and Tcl
  277. 2002-10-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [Kristin_Gallo-at-idg.com: Re: Dot Org Pavillion in NYC]
  278. 2002-10-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [Kristin_Gallo-at-idg.com: Re: Dot Org Pavillion in NYC]
  279. 2002-10-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [oberdorf-at-earthlink.net: ny lxs]
  280. 2002-10-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: [nylug-talk] 15' monitors (3 of them): free!
  281. 2002-10-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Fair Use
  282. 2002-10-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Fair Use
  283. 2002-10-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Fair Use
  284. 2002-10-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] the demo schedule
  285. 2002-10-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] the demo schedule
  286. 2002-10-22 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] the demo schedule
  287. 2002-10-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] the demo schedule
  288. 2002-10-22 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> RE: [hangout] the demo schedule
  289. 2002-10-22 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] the demo schedule
  290. 2002-10-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Calendar Item for NYLXS
  291. 2002-10-22 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [nylug-talk] 15' monitors (3 of them): free!
  292. 2002-10-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] IRC Board Meeting on Thusday Nite 8:00PM
  293. 2002-10-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Paper
  294. 2002-10-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Publicity
  295. 2002-10-22 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Fair Use
  296. 2002-10-22 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: GNU/Linux within the New York City School System | Was: Re: [hangout] cablevision
  297. 2002-10-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Set up tonite
  298. 2002-10-22 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> Subject: [hangout] the demo schedule
  299. 2002-10-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tonites Meeting
  300. 2002-10-23 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] alert- congress tries to ban gpl in fed funded soft ware
  301. 2002-10-23 From: "William Brent" <wbrent-at-finepoint.com> RE: [hangout] alert- congress tries to ban gpl in fed funded software
  302. 2002-10-23 Seth Johnson <seth.johnson-at-RealMeasures.dyndns.org> Re: [hangout] alert- congress tries to ban gpl in fed funded software
  303. 2002-10-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Cut Credit Card Debt - No Loan !
  304. 2002-10-23 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] we have some competition...
  305. 2002-10-23 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] alert- congress tries to ban gpl in fed funded software
  306. 2002-10-23 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] CUNY and Queens Business Partners
  307. 2002-10-23 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] Demo Publicity post mortem
  308. 2002-10-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Demo Today - Expect the Press
  309. 2002-10-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Prelimnary Journal for September issue
  310. 2002-10-23 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Subject: [hangout] Re: Mac OS X under the hood class
  311. 2002-10-23 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] Recent spam
  312. 2002-10-23 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] Washington State Congressman attempts to outlaw GPL
  313. 2002-10-23 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] we have some competition...
  314. 2002-10-23 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] we have some competition...
  315. 2002-10-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: [learn] NO PERL CLASS TODAY]
  316. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Band Can't Sell Own Music on EBay
  317. 2002-10-24 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting Tonight on IRC
  318. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting Tonight on IRC
  319. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting Tonight on IRC
  320. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting Tonight on IRC
  321. 2002-10-24 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting Tonight on IRC
  322. 2002-10-24 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Board Members addresses
  323. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Members addresses
  324. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Free speech squeezed by copyrights?
  325. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Non profit Potential project
  326. 2002-10-24 From: "Ruben Safir" <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Mac OS X under the hood class
  327. 2002-10-24 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] Band Can't Sell Own Music on EBay
  328. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Meeting Tonight on IRC
  329. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Members addresses
  330. 2002-10-24 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Congratulations to all NYLXSers!
  331. 2002-10-24 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] Free speech squeezed by copyrights?
  332. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: [novalug] Congress Members Oppose GPL -- Tom Davis election [Ross.Patterson-at-catchfs.com]
  333. 2002-10-24 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] HTPC Hardware
  334. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Install Feast
  335. 2002-10-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Looking for Ruben (Whats going on with the mail list?)
  336. 2002-10-24 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] Non profit Potential project
  337. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Our Second Demo/Thanks Everyone
  338. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] R&M Confference Room
  339. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Looking for Ruben (Whats going on with the mail list?)
  340. 2002-10-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [ Free Software Chamber of Commerce ] Network Meeting - 12 No on in Midtown
  341. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [novalug] Congress Members Oppose GPL -- Tom Davis election
  342. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [novalug] Congress Members Oppose GPL -- Tom Davis election
  343. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [novalug] Congress Members Oppose GPL -- Tom Davis election
  344. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [novalug] Congress Members Oppose GPL -- Tom Davis election
  345. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [novalug] Congress Members Oppose GPL -- Tom Davis election
  346. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [novalug] Congress Members Oppose GPL -- Tom Davis election
  347. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [novalug] Congress Members Oppose GPL -- Tom Davis election
  348. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] [nylug-job] Merck & Co. seeks RedHat Linux Administrator
  349. 2002-10-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: irc issue
  350. 2002-10-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: irc issue
  351. 2002-10-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: irc issue
  352. 2002-10-25 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Fwd: irc issue
  353. 2002-10-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: irc issue
  354. 2002-10-25 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Linux Expo at the Javitz Center
  355. 2002-10-25 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Looking for...
  356. 2002-10-25 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: irc issue
  357. 2002-10-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: RE: NYLXS Trade mark [humphusa-at-netscape.net]
  358. 2002-10-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux Expo at the Javitz Center
  359. 2002-10-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Looking for...
  360. 2002-10-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: All Day 16 November 2002 Wynn Data Limited Class: Mac OS X Under The Hood
  361. 2002-10-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] looking for a tech consulting group
  362. 2002-10-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] New NY Fair Use Front Page Design
  363. 2002-10-28 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] HTPC hardware
  364. 2002-10-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Invoice for Services Rendered
  365. 2002-10-28 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> RE: [hangout] Invoice for Services Rendered
  366. 2002-10-28 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Invoice for Services Rendered
  367. 2002-10-28 Joe Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Invoice for Services Rendered
  368. 2002-10-28 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] Invoice for Services Rendered
  369. 2002-10-28 Joe Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Invoice for Services Rendered
  370. 2002-10-28 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Invoice for Services Rendered
  371. 2002-10-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] PR for Installfest
  372. 2002-10-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] PR for Installfest
  373. 2002-10-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] CUNY Demo Post Mortom/Board Meeting
  374. 2002-10-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] Invoice for Services Rendered
  375. 2002-10-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] PR for Installfest
  376. 2002-10-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Is Microsoft Licensing Forcing Banks to Break The Law?
  377. 2002-10-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Video Broadcasting and KIOSKS
  378. 2002-10-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] WE NEED EDITORS
  379. 2002-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] It was supposed to make everything look the same
  380. 2002-10-29 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] It was supposed to make everything look the same
  381. 2002-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] what are the email addresses of orgs for spam and virii?
  382. 2002-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Windows Spam Vulnerability
  383. 2002-10-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Meeting Thurday Nite?
  384. 2002-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] It was supposed to make everything look the same
  385. 2002-10-29 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux World Expo
  386. 2002-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Proticals of Ziob
  387. 2002-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Schools Project
  388. 2002-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tzedik
  389. 2002-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: [nylug-talk] Nerds without CS degrees unite!]
  390. 2002-10-30 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Javits Expo
  391. 2002-10-30 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Javits Expo
  392. 2002-10-30 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Javits Expo
  393. 2002-10-30 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Javits Expo
  394. 2002-10-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Linux, USB and MotherBoards
  395. 2002-10-30 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] Javits Expo
  396. 2002-10-30 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux, USB and MotherBoards
  397. 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Linux, USB and MotherBoards
  398. 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Linux, USB and MotherBoards
  399. 2002-10-31 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] More Linux PC's
  400. 2002-10-31 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> RE: [hangout] More Linux PC's
  401. 2002-10-31 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] More Linux PC's
  402. 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] More Linux PC's
  403. 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] More Linux PC's
  404. 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] More Linux PC's
  405. 2002-10-31 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] More Linux PC's
  406. 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] More Linux PC's
  407. 2002-10-31 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] More Linux PC's
  408. 2002-10-31 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] More Linux PC's
  409. 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] More Linux PC's
  410. 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] New SuSE Linux OS to run Office 2000, other Windows apps
  411. 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] user nobody
  412. 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] user nobody
  413. 2002-10-31 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] dd correct for copying an iso image to hard disk?
  414. 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: NYC Workforce Training Provider Unit Contact Information (WTPL) [cmorris-at-doe.nyc.gov]
  415. 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [suse-security-announce] Supported Distributions [draht-at-suse.de]
  416. 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Libral Arts and Computers
  417. 2002-10-31 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] More Linux PC's
  418. 2002-10-31 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] New SuSE Linux OS to run Office 2000, other Windows apps
  419. 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [learn] dd correct for copying an iso image to hard disk?
  420. 2002-10-31 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] Suse 8.0 disks for installfest
  421. 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] user nobody

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