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By Lisa M. Bowman Special to ZDNet News October 24, 2002, 4:00 AM PT Rick Sanchez thought the bright folks at Mensa International would agree that his Pets or Food Web site was a joke. He was sure that the site's offers of "freshly clubbed" frozen baby seal meat and "a dozen Doberman flank steaks for a Super Bowl party" were a dead giveaway. If not, then surely the site's frisky description of fictional CEO Sydney Zwibel--a "former animal disposal technician," Mensa member and alternate member of the 1984 Olympic Fencing Team--smacked of parody. So he was astonished to get a letter from Mensa this summer, addressed not to him but to his imaginary character, saying Zwibel's use of the group's trademark without permission could result in "civil and criminal penalties." "I was pretty stunned actually that Mensa, which is supposed to be a group of smart people, would send me this letter," Sanchez said. "Obviously, Sydney didn't exist in their rolls. He didn't exist." Web publishers have long been targets of zealous copyright and trademark holders, but free speech advocates say intellectual property owners these days are more aggressively training their legal guns on both small one-man-band Web sites and the Internet service providers (ISPs) that host or link to them, hoping to get pages or material removed. In recent years, intellectual property holders have expanded their efforts to deep linking and metatags. Now they're pursuing search services, pay-for-play sites and Web libraries. Last month, the Church of Scientology sent a letter to the Internet Archive, persuading the site to pull down archived pages that were critical of the church's beliefs. Copyright holders also have gained additional ammunition to demand removal of material. The 1998 Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA)--designed to update copyright laws in the digital age and assuage piracy fears--carved out protections for ISPs that remove alleged violations when asked, but didn't require them to notify the site operator or to judge whether the claim is legitimate. The ISPs sought the protections so they wouldn't be liable for policing their system. Although the process protects ISPs, it means many sites just mysteriously disappear without any determination of whether the pages actually violate copyrights. Free speech advocates also fear that many companies and organizations are trying to shoehorn their trademark claims into DMCA claims in the hopes of persuading ISPs to quickly take down the sites. "We're seeing a trend toward more aggressive protection of (intellectual property) rights," David Schnapf, an attorney with Coudert Brothers, said. "Perhaps the forces that are there to protect fair use rights or dissemination of information currently aren't as aggressive or strong to bring a greater balance to the Web." No choice? Those sending the letters say they're only trying to protect their rights amid the untamed and untested legal waters of the Web. "The Internet offers new and different threats to our corporate identities and our individual identities," said Jim Blackmore, national marketing director of Mensa International. The group doesn't have a problem with fictional characters claiming membership in the organization--both Lisa Simpson and the blue Power Ranger are approved Mensa members, Blackmore said. Mensa went after the Pets or Food site because the group pursues those who defame or abuse its trademark, he said. "We did not want to be associated with this man's ravings," Blackmore said. They may have to put up with them just the same. After consulting his attorney, Sanchez decided to keep up the site--Mensa mention and all. Free speech advocates are hoping that Web operators across the globe will take a page from Sanchez and refuse to back down in these copyright situations, even in the face of ever more forceful pressure. To counter the trend toward more aggressive enforcement, free speech advocates are trying to publicize the claims in the hopes that people will question them. When Sanchez received Mensa's letter, he forwarded it to the Chillingeffects.org site. Launched in February by the Electronic Freedom Foundation and legal clinics at several prominent law schools, the site provides a clearinghouse where people can forward cease-and-desist letters and learn more about copyright and trademark law. Its backers hope that posting letters like Sanchez's will embolden others to stand up for their free speech rights instead of immediately pulling their material in the face of a frightening legal threat that may not hold up in court. The letters are annotated by law school students who translate the legalese into plain English and remove personal information. Chillingeffects founder Wendy Seltzer said the project grew out of the sense that many legitimate sites were being shut down by legal threats. People who don't have legal training or lots of money often back down when they receive threatening letters from lawyers, she said. She hopes Chillingeffects, at the very least, will inspire people to analyze such letters to see if they're legally viable rather than just pulling content. A chilling effect? "We want to help people understand their legal rights," Seltzer said. The legal clinics also plan to gather and analyze data from the letters to see if companies are overstepping their rights and trying to frighten people out of posting critical or negative material. "Certainly, what we've seen so far has borne out our concerns," said Jennifer Urban, a fellow at the University of California at Berkeley's Boalt Hall School of Law who works on the Chillingeffects.org project. "Some sites that shouldn't come down are coming down. That could have serious implications for the Internet." The law school clinics hosted by schools such as Harvard University, Stanford University and U.C. Berkeley, plan to examine the various legal arguments--perhaps as fodder for challenging new digital copyright laws that some say go to far. One of the cease-and-desist recipients could eventually provide a test case to challenge some of the new laws, or the Chillingeffects organizers could present the data directly to lawmakers. The site even has a deal with Google, which forwards all of its DMCA cease-and-desist letters to Chillingeffects for public posting. Chillingeffects organizers praise Google for bucking the trend of removing Web pages without a trace. In addition to forwarding the letters, Google also notifies customers when they've received a letter about their sites. "We wanted to make the process more transparent," said Kulpreet Rana, Google's director of legal affairs. "Our purpose is to help people find information." If a page has been taken down, Google displays a notice at the bottom of its search page, saying it has been removed in response to a complaint from a copyright holder Rana said some of the disputed pages clearly violate copyright laws, but most fall into a gray area. The effects of the partnership are still unclear, however. Google hasn't noticed an increase or decrease in the number of letters it's received since the company began posting the letters eight months ago, Rana said. No measurable effect Overall, the efforts of Chillingeffects and others to make such letters public doesn't seem to be tempering the habits of those who send them, say intellectual property attorneys. "There's not enough visibility," said Schnapf, the Coudert Brothers attorney. "For every letter that shows up, there are 100 letters that don't. It's not an important part of the equation." What's more, tech-savvy attorneys have been writing letters for years as if they would show up on the Web eventually. "Chillingeffects is simply accelerating an already existing trend to be careful about what you write and to assume whatever you write is likely to show up on the Web somewhere," said Mark Radcliffe, an intellectual property attorney at Gray Cary Ware & Freidenrich. "It can be very embarrassing if you're too aggressive." Indeed, some intellectual property owners have found that out the hard way. Warner Bros. incurred the wrath of Harry Potter lovers worldwide when it sent a letter to Claire Field, the 15-year-old owner of a Harry Potter fan site, ordering her to take the site down because it allegedly infringed the company's intellectual property rights. Field made the claims public, and supporters rallied around her. The company eventually reversed its position and allowed Field to keep the site as long as she didn't try to make money off it. In another case, Sony was attacked for pursuing a fan of its Aibo robotic dog. The fan set up a site showing people how to tinker with the dog so it would dance. Sony eventually called off its lawyers under protest from Aibo fans, who read about the dispute on Web sites. Meanwhile, Sanchez plans to keep up his Pets or Food fight, inspired in part by others who've stuck to their guns. If he doesn't come out on top of legal battles, he has another plan: Sanchez is in the process of taking the Mensa test, so the group can't dispute claims he's a member. "I want to get in," he said. ____________________________ New Yorker Free Software Users Scene Fair Use - because it's either fair use or useless.... 2002-10-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fair Use and Property Rights in the digital age 2002-10-01 Richard Stallman <rms-at-gnu.org> Subject: [hangout] Re: DC 7/17: Advocates Meeting with DOC 2002-10-01 Joe Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Re: DC 7/17: Advocates Meeting with DOC 2002-10-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: RE: [hangout] Congressional Letter to Send to Weiners Office [rub en-at-mrbrklyn.com] [Lamar.Robertson-at-mail.house.gov] 2002-10-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] So where are we at with the Journal at this point? 2002-10-02 From: "Phil Glaser" <StillSmallVoice-at-directvinternet.com> Subject: [hangout] La Guardia Demo Status: We MUST HAVE volunteers to work on publicity 2002-10-02 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: My speaking in DC 2002-10-02 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Cgi Search 2002-10-02 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] fair use bill 2002-10-02 Brendan Tween <btween-at-cossettepost.com> RE: [hangout] fair use bill 2002-10-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Cgi Search 2002-10-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Europe for Fun and Pleasure 2002-10-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Europe for Fun and Pleasure 2002-10-02 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Europe for Fun and Pleasure 2002-10-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Business Funding 2002-10-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Other CUNY Demo Stuff 2002-10-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Coast to Coast Fame 2002-10-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: My speaking in DC 2002-10-04 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] World's First Review of Red Hat 8.0-Psyche 2002-10-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Digital Rights bills 2002-10-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Digital Rights bills 2002-10-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Fiction is almost as strange as truth -- from th e Onion 2002-10-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] this mailing list 2002-10-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [thomas-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SuSE Security Announcement: hylafax (SuSE-SA:2002:035)] 2002-10-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [thomas-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SuSE Security Announcement: mod_php4 (SuSE-SA:2002:036)] 2002-10-07 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] CUNY Flyer from last Demo 2002-10-07 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] this mailing list 2002-10-06 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] audio PC 2002-10-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Digital Rights bills 2002-10-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [nylug-talk] [hangout] La Guardia Demo Status: We MUST HAVE volunteers to work on publicity 2002-10-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Digital Rights bills 2002-10-08 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] demo publicity 2002-10-08 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] demo publicity 2002-10-08 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] demo publicity 2002-10-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] CUNY Demo 2002-10-08 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] demo publicity 2002-10-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] demo publicity 2002-10-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: La Guardia Demo Status: volunteering: publicity 2002-10-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] RE: La Guardia Demo Status: volunteering: publicity 2002-10-08 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] FreeVo 2002-10-08 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] FreeVo 2002-10-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] September Journal 2002-10-08 From: "Ruben Safir" <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] demo publicity 2002-10-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] XP and Samba 2002-10-08 From: "Ruben Safir" <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] Accents and other diacritical marks 2002-10-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Accents and other diacritiical marks 2002-10-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Fiction is almost as strange as truth -- from th e Onion 2002-10-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [nylug-talk] [hangout] La Guardia Demo Status: We MUST HAVE volunteers to work on publicity 2002-10-08 From: "Miguel E. Jimenez" <mej-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Accents and other diacritical marks 2002-10-08 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] demo publicity 2002-10-08 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] demo publicity 2002-10-08 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] demo publicity 2002-10-08 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] demo publicity 2002-10-08 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [nylug-talk] [hangout] La Guardia Demo Status: We MUST HAVE volunteers to work on publicity 2002-10-06 From: "perry smith" <psmithcisdd-at-lycos.com> Subject: [hangout] audio PC 2002-10-03 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] Berman spreading more fud through Findlaw. 2002-10-11 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Home Theater Links 2002-10-11 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> RE: [hangout] Hardware Source 2002-10-11 From: "Phil Glaser" <StillSmallVoice-at-directvinternet.com> Subject: [hangout] Here is the La Guardia Flier 2002-10-11 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Bayonne at the Free Software Business Demo 2002-10-11 From: "Ruben Safir" <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS.org 2002-10-11 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> RE: [hangout] Re: Bayonne at the Free Software Business Demo 2002-10-11 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] cd burning 2002-10-11 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] videoing demo 2002-10-11 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] videoing demo 2002-10-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] India moving to Linux 2002-10-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Hardware Source 2002-10-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Bayonne at the Free Software Business Demo 2002-10-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Bayonne at the Free Software Business Demo 2002-10-11 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] anti DRM arguments 2002-10-11 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Hardware Source 2002-10-11 From: "Phil Glaser" <StillSmallVoice-at-directvinternet.com> RE: [hangout] Re: the schedule of the demo 2002-10-11 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Bayonne at the Free Software Business Demo 2002-10-11 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Enterprise Linux Event - Dec 03-04, 2002 Boston Mass. 2002-10-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Bayonne at the Free Software Business Demo 2002-10-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting 2002-10-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Meeting 2002-10-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [notifier-at-eps.gov: FRAUDULENT LETTERS] Your Government at work 2002-10-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Re: perl modules for users 2002-10-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] New Phone 2002-10-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Interwoven/Perl Developer, New York City (onsite), United States, NY, New York City] 2002-10-10 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Class flyers at demo 2002-10-10 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Ammo for the War on Stupidity 2002-10-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] shm 2002-10-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Save the Libraries 2002-10-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Ammo for the War on Stupidity 2002-10-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: hangout problem 2002-10-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: hangout problem 2002-10-14 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: hangout problem 2002-10-14 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: hangout problem 2002-10-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: [nylxs-announce] Business Initiative/Networking This Evening] 2002-10-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] New Fre Software Chambers of Commerce Pages up 2002-10-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Much interesting news today in the Times 2002-10-13 From: "Phil Glaser" <StillSmallVoice-at-directvinternet.com> Subject: [hangout] RE: Don't forget to take the images 2002-10-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Don't forget to take the images 2002-10-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Perl Quiz of the Week [dha-at-panix.com] 2002-10-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Don't forget to take the images [casandra-at-ix.netcom.com] 2002-10-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS 1st Aniversity 2002-10-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Ari Jort article for journal 2002-10-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] INIT problem 2002-10-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] There is a lesson here somewhere... 2002-10-12 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] Re: the schedule of the demo 2002-10-11 From: "Mahesh Chhatlani" <chhatlani-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] India moving to Linux 2002-10-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Report on NYLXS.org Matter 2002-10-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [root-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com: [nylxs-announce] Linux Scene Calender for Today] 2002-10-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS - Free Software Chamber of Commerce 2002-10-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS - Free Software Chamber of Commerce 2002-10-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [syscon-at-telusplanet.net: Re: [SL] interesting info. Do we have to be worried?] 2002-10-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [syscon-at-telusplanet.net: Re: [SL] interesting info. Do we have to be worried?] 2002-10-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: [SL] interesting info. Do we have to be worried? [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com] 2002-10-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: [SL] interesting info. Do we have to be worried? [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com] 2002-10-15 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: hangout problem 2002-10-15 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: hangout problem 2002-10-15 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: hangout problem 2002-10-15 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: hangout problem 2002-10-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: hangout problem 2002-10-15 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Here is the La Guardia Flier 2002-10-15 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Here is the La Guardia Flier 2002-10-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Here is the La Guardia Flier 2002-10-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] What the hell 2002-10-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] What the hell 2002-10-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] What the hell 2002-10-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] What the hell 2002-10-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS.NET 2002-10-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software Chamber of Commerce - Join us 2002-10-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Here is the La Guardia Flier 2002-10-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Free Software Chamber of Commerce - Join us 2002-10-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Here is the La Guardia Flier 2002-10-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Demo Volunteers needed this Week and Next 2002-10-16 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> RE: [hangout] Free Software Chamber of Commerce - Join us 2002-10-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Free Software Chamber of Commerce - Join us 2002-10-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Report on NYLXS.org Matter 2002-10-16 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Board Report on NYLXS.org Matter 2002-10-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Report on NYLXS.org Matter 2002-10-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: hangout problem 2002-10-16 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Re: hangout problem 2002-10-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: hangout problem 2002-10-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLUG Meeting tonite 2002-10-16 Joe Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Re: hangout problem 2002-10-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Schedule flyer for LaGuardia Demo 2002-10-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Call for Volunteers 2002-10-16 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> RE: [hangout] Re: hangout problem 2002-10-16 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Schedule flyer for LaGuardia Demo 2002-10-16 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] What is the hangout address? 2002-10-16 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] What is the hangout address? 2002-10-16 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Call for Volunteers 2002-10-16 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Re: hangout problem 2002-10-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: hangout problem 2002-10-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Call for Volunteers 2002-10-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] What is the hangout address? 2002-10-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Schedule flyer for LaGuardia Demo 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] Kmail client question 2002-10-17 Sunny Dubey <dubeys-at-bxscience.edu> Re: [hangout] Kmail client question 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Kmail client question 2002-10-17 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Schedule flyer for LaGuardia Demo 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Schedule flyer for LaGuardia Demo 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Schedule flyer for LaGuardia Demo 2002-10-17 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Hangout Problem Update 2002-10-17 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Schedule flyer for LaGuardia Demo 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Schedule flyer for LaGuardia Demo 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Schedule flyer for LaGuardia Demo 2002-10-17 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> RE: [hangout] Schedule flyer for LaGuardia Demo 2002-10-17 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: hangout problem 2002-10-17 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] What is the hangout address? 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Re: hangout problem 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] What is the hangout address? 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] quick confirmation: Bloomberg terminals run on Linux? 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] Publicity 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] Publicity 2002-10-17 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Publicity 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Publicity 2002-10-17 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] What is the hangout address? 2002-10-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] What is the hangout address? 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Publicity 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] problem with reply-to being changed, another Kmail question 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Publicity-College Student help needed 2002-10-17 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] problem with reply-to being changed, another Kmail question 2002-10-17 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Nov class flyers 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Publicity 2002-10-17 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] Hangout Problem Update 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Publicity 2002-10-17 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett 2002-10-17 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett 2002-10-17 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett 2002-10-17 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett 2002-10-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett 2002-10-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett 2002-10-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett 2002-10-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett 2002-10-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett 2002-10-17 Joe Villari <joev-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] The Class 2002-10-17 Joe Villari <joev-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] The Class 2002-10-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] The Class 2002-10-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The DMCA - Wall Street Loves it 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Good News... 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Flyer Sunday? 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Journal 2002-10-18 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett 2002-10-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett 2002-10-18 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] The Class 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] The Class 2002-10-18 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Journal 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Journal 2002-10-18 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Marco 2002-10-18 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett 2002-10-18 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Demo Transportation 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Demo Transportation 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett 2002-10-18 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Call for Volunteers 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FSCC and usiness advocay 2002-10-18 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Buttons 2002-10-18 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] transportation 2002-10-18 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] transportation 2002-10-18 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Publicity 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] transportation 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] fsccfortbeDemo 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] transportation 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Publicity 2002-10-18 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Putting up Flyer For the Demo 2002-10-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Good news and great news! 2002-10-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] F*** Wynkoop et al 2002-10-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: We need your bio for the Free Software Expo 2002-10-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: We need your bio for the Free Software Expo 2002-10-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Busy Week for NYLXS 2002-10-19 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Good news and great news! 2002-10-19 From: "Phil Glaser" <StillSmallVoice-at-directvinternet.com> RE: [hangout] Re: We need your bio for the Free Software Expo 2002-10-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: We need your bio for the Free Software Expo 2002-10-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: We need your bio for the Free Software Expo 2002-10-19 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Subject: [hangout] GNU Bayonne key telephone system to be exhibited next week 2002-10-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: GNU Bayonne key telephone system to be exhibited next week [dyfet-at-ostel.com] 2002-10-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] What day for Network Meetings? 2002-10-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Followup Action to Congressman Weiner's Meeting last month 2002-10-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Project Management Software 2002-10-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Citocorp at 12 Noon 2002-10-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Double Cursor/Pointer with X11 V4 2002-10-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Free Software Expo LaGuardia College 2002-10-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re:Demo 2002-10-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: [nylug-talk] Project Management Software [bingalls-at-fit-zones.com] 2002-10-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Wed Oct 23 GNU/Linux Business Demo - info pages 2002-10-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [nylxs-announce] NYLXS Events for Today 2002-10-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYNMA Announcement 2002-10-20 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: palladium presentation - anyone going? (fwd) 2002-10-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Monday 21 October 2002 NYLXS In-Service: Billy Donahue on Joys and Perils of Programming with C and Tcl 2002-10-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Dot Org Pavillion in NYC 2002-10-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Birds of a Feather 2002-10-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] JOURNAL BY THE DEMO? 2002-10-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Dot Org Pavillion in NYC [Kristin_Gallo-at-idg.com] 2002-10-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [Kristin_Gallo-at-idg.com: Re: Dot Org Pavillion in NYC] 2002-10-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [Kristin_Gallo-at-idg.com: Re: Dot Org Pavillion in NYC] 2002-10-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Dot Org Pavillion in NYC [Kristin_Gallo-at-idg.com] 2002-10-21 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Dot Org Pavillion in NYC [Kristin_Gallo-at-idg.com] 2002-10-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [suse-security-announce] SuSE Security Announcement: postgresql (SuSE-SA:2002:038) [thomas-at-suse.de] 2002-10-21 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Monday 21 October 2002 NYLXS In-Service: Billy Donahue on Joys and Perils of Programming with C and Tcl 2002-10-21 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Windows Spam Vulnerability 2002-10-21 Kevin Milani <news-at-impact-it.net> Re: [hangout] Windows Spam Vulnerability 2002-10-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Paper 2002-10-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Windows Spam Vulnerability 2002-10-21 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Publicity 2002-10-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Windows Spam Vulnerability 2002-10-21 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> RE: [hangout] Publicity - Attention Dimitar 2002-10-21 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Publicity - Attention Dimitar 2002-10-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: GNU/Linux within the New York City School System | Was: Re: [hangout] cablevision 2002-10-21 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> Subject: [hangout] RE: LaGuardia Still the Free Software Demo Mislabeled... 2002-10-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] Publicity 2002-10-21 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] LaGuardia Still the Free Software Demo Mislabeled... 2002-10-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Publicity - Attention Dimitar 2002-10-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Publicity - Attention Dimitar 2002-10-21 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Publicity 2002-10-21 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Publicity 2002-10-21 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Windows Spam Vulnerability 2002-10-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [oberdorf-at-earthlink.net: ny lxs] 2002-10-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tonites Meeting 2002-10-22 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: GNU/Linux within the New York City School System | Was: Re: [hangout] cablevision 2002-10-22 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [nylug-talk] 15' monitors (3 of them): free! 2002-10-22 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> Subject: [hangout] the demo schedule 2002-10-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] the demo schedule 2002-10-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] the demo schedule 2002-10-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Paper 2002-10-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] IRC Board Meeting on Thusday Nite 8:00PM 2002-10-22 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] the demo schedule 2002-10-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] the demo schedule 2002-10-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: [nylug-talk] 15' monitors (3 of them): free! 2002-10-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Calendar Item for NYLXS 2002-10-22 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Fair Use 2002-10-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Fair Use 2002-10-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Fair Use 2002-10-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Fair Use 2002-10-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Publicity 2002-10-22 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> RE: [hangout] the demo schedule 2002-10-22 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] the demo schedule 2002-10-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Set up tonite 2002-10-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Prelimnary Journal for September issue 2002-10-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Demo Today - Expect the Press 2002-10-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: [learn] NO PERL CLASS TODAY] 2002-10-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Cut Credit Card Debt - No Loan ! 2002-10-23 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] Demo Publicity post mortem 2002-10-23 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] CUNY and Queens Business Partners 2002-10-23 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] Recent spam 2002-10-23 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] we have some competition... 2002-10-23 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] we have some competition... 2002-10-23 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] we have some competition... 2002-10-23 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] alert- congress tries to ban gpl in fed funded software 2002-10-23 From: "William Brent" <wbrent-at-finepoint.com> RE: [hangout] alert- congress tries to ban gpl in fed funded software 2002-10-23 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] alert- congress tries to ban gpl in fed funded soft ware 2002-10-23 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] Washington State Congressman attempts to outlaw GPL 2002-10-23 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Subject: [hangout] Re: Mac OS X under the hood class 2002-10-23 Seth Johnson <seth.johnson-at-RealMeasures.dyndns.org> Re: [hangout] alert- congress tries to ban gpl in fed funded software 2002-10-24 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Congratulations to all NYLXSers! 2002-10-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Looking for Ruben (Whats going on with the mail list?) 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Looking for Ruben (Whats going on with the mail list?) 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Meeting Tonight on IRC 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: [novalug] Congress Members Oppose GPL -- Tom Davis election [Ross.Patterson-at-catchfs.com] 2002-10-24 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] Band Can't Sell Own Music on EBay 2002-10-24 From: "Ruben Safir" <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Mac OS X under the hood class 2002-10-24 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting Tonight on IRC 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [novalug] Congress Members Oppose GPL -- Tom Davis election 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting Tonight on IRC 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Install Feast 2002-10-24 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] Free speech squeezed by copyrights? 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Our Second Demo/Thanks Everyone 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Band Can't Sell Own Music on EBay 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Free speech squeezed by copyrights? 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Members addresses 2002-10-24 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Board Members addresses 2002-10-24 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] Non profit Potential project 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Non profit Potential project 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Members addresses 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting Tonight on IRC 2002-10-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [ Free Software Chamber of Commerce ] Network Meeting - 12 No on in Midtown 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [novalug] Congress Members Oppose GPL -- Tom Davis election 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [novalug] Congress Members Oppose GPL -- Tom Davis election 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [novalug] Congress Members Oppose GPL -- Tom Davis election 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] R&M Confference Room 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [novalug] Congress Members Oppose GPL -- Tom Davis election 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting Tonight on IRC 2002-10-24 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting Tonight on IRC 2002-10-24 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] HTPC Hardware 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] [nylug-job] Merck & Co. seeks RedHat Linux Administrator 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [novalug] Congress Members Oppose GPL -- Tom Davis election 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: NYC Workforce Training Provider Unit Contact Information (WTPL) [cmorris-at-doe.nyc.gov] 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [learn] dd correct for copying an iso image to hard disk? 2002-10-31 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] More Linux PC's 2002-10-31 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> RE: [hangout] More Linux PC's 2002-10-31 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] More Linux PC's 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] More Linux PC's 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] More Linux PC's 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] More Linux PC's 2002-10-31 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] More Linux PC's 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] More Linux PC's 2002-10-31 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] More Linux PC's 2002-10-31 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] More Linux PC's 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] More Linux PC's 2002-10-31 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] More Linux PC's 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] New SuSE Linux OS to run Office 2000, other Windows apps 2002-10-31 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] New SuSE Linux OS to run Office 2000, other Windows apps 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Libral Arts and Computers 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] user nobody 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] user nobody 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [suse-security-announce] Supported Distributions [draht-at-suse.de] 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] user nobody 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Linux, USB and MotherBoards 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Linux, USB and MotherBoards 2002-10-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Linux, USB and MotherBoards 2002-10-30 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux, USB and MotherBoards 2002-10-30 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Javits Expo 2002-10-30 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Javits Expo 2002-10-30 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Javits Expo 2002-10-30 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Javits Expo 2002-10-30 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] Javits Expo 2002-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: [nylug-talk] Nerds without CS degrees unite!] 2002-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] what are the email addresses of orgs for spam and virii? 2002-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] It was supposed to make everything look the same 2002-10-29 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] It was supposed to make everything look the same 2002-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] It was supposed to make everything look the same 2002-10-29 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux World Expo 2002-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tzedik 2002-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Windows Spam Vulnerability 2002-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Schools Project 2002-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Proticals of Ziob 2002-10-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Meeting Thurday Nite? 2002-10-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] PR for Installfest 2002-10-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] WE NEED EDITORS 2002-10-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] PR for Installfest 2002-10-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] PR for Installfest 2002-10-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] CUNY Demo Post Mortom/Board Meeting 2002-10-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Video Broadcasting and KIOSKS 2002-10-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Invoice for Services Rendered 2002-10-28 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> RE: [hangout] Invoice for Services Rendered 2002-10-28 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Invoice for Services Rendered 2002-10-28 Joe Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Invoice for Services Rendered 2002-10-28 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] Invoice for Services Rendered 2002-10-28 Joe Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Invoice for Services Rendered 2002-10-28 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Invoice for Services Rendered 2002-10-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] Invoice for Services Rendered 2002-10-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Is Microsoft Licensing Forcing Banks to Break The Law? 2002-10-28 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] HTPC hardware 2002-10-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] New NY Fair Use Front Page Design 2002-10-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: All Day 16 November 2002 Wynn Data Limited Class: Mac OS X Under The Hood 2002-10-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] looking for a tech consulting group 2002-10-25 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Linux Expo at the Javitz Center 2002-10-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux Expo at the Javitz Center 2002-10-25 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Looking for... 2002-10-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: irc issue 2002-10-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: irc issue 2002-10-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: irc issue 2002-10-25 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Fwd: irc issue 2002-10-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Looking for... 2002-10-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: irc issue 2002-10-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: RE: NYLXS Trade mark [humphusa-at-netscape.net] 2002-10-25 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: irc issue 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [novalug] Congress Members Oppose GPL -- Tom Davis election 2002-10-31 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] Suse 8.0 disks for installfest 2002-10-31 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] dd correct for copying an iso image to hard disk? NYLXS are Do'ers and the first step of Doing is Joining! Join NYLXS and make a difference in your community today!