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From: David Sugar
To: Ruben I Safir
Subject: Re: [hangout] Re: eGovOS conference in D.C.; I'm not attending that
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 17:37:14 -0500
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And let's not forget the American revolution while we are at it! :). But
there are plenty of examples one can find from history.
On Thursday 06 February 2003 17:25, Ruben I Safir wrote:
> On 2003.02.06 17:25 David Sugar wrote:
> > I never said freedom is not a competitive advantage.
> Freedom is the single MOST competitive advantage.
> This is historically proven...see IBM PC, Spain and Adam Smith
> > However, even if it were
> > not so, this would not make proprietary software ethically valid; the
> > social harm it does is far too great for that. As it happens, as we
> > found in this country, freedom and commercial success certainly do go
> > hand in hand. Free software is in many ways is also an extension of the
> > scientific method and principles that have empowered scientific progress
> > in the last few hundred years.
> > In any case, I do happen to strongly agree with your thesis that there is
> > a strong connection between free software and free markets, and that
> > freedom is an absolute requirement for business and market success.
> > On Thursday 06 February 2003 17:15, Ruben I Safir wrote:
> > > The fredom of the software is a competitive advantage, in fact, it
> > > should be a show stopper for all business consideration.
> > >
> > > It's Free Software like in Free Markets
> > >
> > > They've heard of Free Markets in Washington? No?
> > >
> > > > That being said, Derek is quite correct that one of my objections to
> > > > eGovOS is that it lends false credence and legitimacy to the idea
> > > > that "shared source" is somehow a valid and morally equivilent form
> > > > of "Open Source" or that there is only a competitve points to
> > > > consider and distinguish free and propretary software. Do we
> > > > conclude that there is a moral equivillence between freedom in
> > > > western democracies and the old soviet system?
> > > >
> > > > On Thursday 06 February 2003 16:38, Derek Neighbors wrote:
> > > > > David Sugar said:
> > > > > > I recall that I originally had offered to help with a gnue
> > > > > > presentation at eGovOS this year. For a number of reasons, and
> > > > > > contrary to previous plans, after reviewing the circumstances of
> > > > > > the eGovOS event, I have chosen this afternoon not to attend
> > > > > > this year's eGovOS conference in mid-march after all. I think
> > > > > > Derek may well guess some of my reasons for making this decision.
> > > > > > Instead, I am considering extending my visit to Prague next
> > > > > > month by several mire days, especially if it would help enable
> > > > > > further discussions with their government and the Czech free
> > > > > > software community in promoting the development and adoption of
> > > > > > free software in the public sector by the Czech national
> > > > > > government. I may also try to see some of thier city.
> > > > >
> > > > > I was going to email RMS and what was up with this conference as he
> > > > > at one time seemed to have a relationship with Tony Stanco, but
> > > > > figured best to leave well enough alone.
> > > > >
> > > > > I fully agree that the event should be boycotted by GNUe and anyone
> > > > > else that is sick of seeing Free Software slowly being eroded into
> > > > > "Open Source" software and further watered down to "Shared Source"
> > > > > software, that negates the whole purpose of being of Free Software
> > > > > to begin with.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is a shame as the conference is a good idea, but sadly I think
> > > > > poor judgement is being exercised. :(
> > > > >
> > > > > -derek
> > > >
> > > > ____________________________
> > > > New Yorker Free Software Users Scene
> > > > Fair Use -
> > > > because it's either fair use or useless....
New Yorker Free Software Users Scene
Fair Use -
because it's either fair use or useless....