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| DATE | 2003-02-15 |
| FROM | From: "Stanley A. Klein"
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| SUBJECT | Subject: [hangout] Re: [fairuse] Re: a proposed solution
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From owner-hangout-desteny-at-mrbrklyn.com Sat Feb 15 17:15:22 2003 Received: from www2.mrbrklyn.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mrbrklyn.com (8.12.3/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) with ESMTP id h1FMFM3T024728 for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 17:15:22 -0500 Received: (from mdom-at-localhost) by www2.mrbrklyn.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id h1FMFMDb024727 for hangout-desteny; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 17:15:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: www2.mrbrklyn.com: mdom set sender to owner-hangout-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com using -f Received: from www2.mrbrklyn.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mrbrklyn.com (8.12.3/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) with ESMTP id h1FMFL3T024721 for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 17:15:21 -0500 Received: (from ruben-at-localhost) by www2.mrbrklyn.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id h1FMFLoQ024720 for hangout-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 17:15:21 -0500 Received: from server1.safepages.com (server1.safepages.com [216.127.146.3]) by mrbrklyn.com (8.12.3/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) with ESMTP id h1FM2N3T024505; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 17:02:23 -0500 Received: by server1.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 9EF5BC546C; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 22:04:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from LOCALNAME (1Cust108.tnt14.dca5.da.uu.net [67.242.141.108]) by server1.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 3B042C5120; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 22:04:32 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.16.20030215122535.45d79a5e-at-cpcug.org> X-Sender: sklein-at-cpcug.org (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (16) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 12:25:35 To: Ruben Safir , fairuse-at-mrbrklyn.com From: "Stanley A. Klein" Subject: [hangout] Re: [fairuse] Re: a proposed solution Cc: ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com, dyfet-at-ostel.com, bkuhn-at-ebb.org, jdave23-at-informationwave.net, ruben-at-rm-cpa.com, jays-at-panix.com, hangout-at-nylxs.com, derek-at-gnue.org, fairuse-at-nylxs.com, tina-at-newsforge.com In-Reply-To: <20030215194524.GB22513-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com> References: <20030213142700.GB7728-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com> <3.0.5.16.20030210055912.4727622c-at-cpcug.org> <1045009756.13243.8.camel-at-connie> <20030212010409.GW1700-at-ebb.org> <200302120617.40622.dyfet-at-ostel.com> <20030213142700.GB7728-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com> <3.0.5.16.20030214050552.44f7f834-at-cpcug.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: "Stanley A. Klein" List: New Yorkers Linux Scene Admin: To unsubscribe send unsubscribename-at-domian.com to hangout-request-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com X-Keywords: X-UID: 8237 Status: RO Content-Length: 2514 Lines: 54
At 02:45 PM 2/15/2003 -0500, Ruben Safir wrote: >When I lead everyone down to Washington for the DOC hears under NY Fair Use, >it was clearly not obstructive, and it was completely productive. > >NY Fair Use is leading this again, and Monday is the time to discuss the >details of this. > >The NY Fair use agenda on Monday will include a stratergy session for the >egov-OS and we are tieing it into an effort to affect New York City Hall. > >The goal in both events will be to force government to use Free Software to >assure fair use and equal competition for Free Software marketers.
Hmmm. You have been trying to affect NY CIty Hall and have been encountering some kind of resistance. Are you ascribing to the federal government the same attitudes and issues you are encountering in NY City Hall?
You should know that the federal government is both a big user and a big direct and indirect producer of free/open-source software. Only one area is official policy, and that is supercomputing. The use of free/open-source in security research is another area that made it to a formal solicitation (from DARPA) about a year or two ago. Everything else is hard to identify. You just have to know it's there. One spin-off of the conference (and the related activities of the Federal CIO Council) is getting people who are using free/open-source talking to each other and identifying the breadth and depth of federal government use of free/open-source.
Microsoft can't say "that stuff is no good" if someone else can get up and say "we've been using it all along for very important work and it's been doing a great job." And that's what is starting to happen.
A City Hall is a different situation. For example, the City of Rockville has a "Microsoft shop." I've been advocating free/open-source to the Director of Information and Technology for a few years. I even gave him a copy of OpenOffice.org to evaluate. About a month ago he proudly announced that Rockville is getting its first Linux server. He was even talking about hiring a Linux person to replace someone who left. Very slow progress, but that's what City Halls and County office buildings are like.
With cities and counties, a good time to advocate free/open-source is during budget crunches or after Microsoft has done something stupidly arrogant (which happens with increasing frequency).
Stan Klein
____________________________ New Yorker Free Software Users Scene Fair Use - because it's either fair use or useless....
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