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If they want to bring other people as "witnesses", I would be, in =20
theory, willing to allow that. Of course I can't imagine who else they =20=
would bring that would have relavent, pertinent and useful knowledge of =20=
this issue. But if Jay and Brett insist, they I think we should at the =20=
very least get a list of who they intend to bring as well some brief =20
but specific justification as to special knowledge they have and how =20
they will be able to facilitate the settlement of this issue.
Ruben, I don't have time at the moment to post the minutes. I'll do it =20=
this evening.
-Joe
On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 04:45 PM, Inker, Evan wrote:
> Maybe I'm missing the point but I thought Jay and Brett were coming =20=
> down to address the concerns voiced earlier. If you are going to get =20=
> Jay and Brett and several people addressing the Board, it will be a =20=
> never ending story.. As it stands now, who from NYLXS will be =20
> attending this meeting? And has the issue of binding arbitration been =20=
> agreed to?
> =A0
> And I would like to know what the purpose of these "several" other =20
> people are and who they are...
> Just trying to keep it simple. If these several other people are =20
> showing up to confirm/deny any of the issues and they have first hand =20=
> knowledge, then I can see the point. Otherwise, its just looks like a =20=
> cheering session...
> =A0
> Regards,
>
> Evan M. Inker=A0=A0
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joseph A. Maffia [mailto:jam-at-rm-cpa.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 4:40 PM
> To: Ruben Safir; rms-at-gnu.org; hangout-at-nylxs.com
> Subject: Re: [hangout] NYLXS.org
>
> I received phone messages from Jay and Brett today. Saddam Jay asked =20=
> for more time to turnover his weapons of mass destruction. Several =20
> persons who he attends to attend this discussion will not be available =
=20
> for a monday meeting.
>
>
> -At 04:22 PM 02/19/2003 -0500, Ruben Safir wrote:
>
> We can draft it on the list if possible.
> We should schedule for it for Sunday perhaps?
>
> If they want to, Brett and Jay can come and complain to the board
> about me and so forth then, and then trade the NYLXS.org domain for =
the
> rights of the NY Fair Use brand.
>
> I doubt this will satisfy marco, but I think it gives them the =20
> oppurtunity
> for a fair hearing and to air their grievences properly without it =20
> becoming
> a circus.
>
> Joe, can I get the minutes from last night up?
>
> Ruben
>
> On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 12:25:52PM -0500, Joe Grastara wrote:
> > I agree with Evan, an agenda needs to be drafted and possibly =
agreed=A0
> > upon by all parties before going into the meeting.
> >
> > -Joe Grastara
> >
> > On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 12:12 PM, Inker, Evan wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >Ahh,
> > >
> > >One last condition: An agenda for this meeting needs to be drafted =20=
> as=A0
> > >I do
> > >not want several different parties going off in multiple =
convoluted=A0
> > >areas
> > >not related to this matter. If we keep it simple, to the point, and
> > >organized, we can maintain a sense of order.
> > >
> > >Regards,
> > >
> > >Evan M. Inker=A0 (New York)=A0 x. 4615
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Inker, Evan [mailto:EInker-at-gam.com]
> > >Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 12:02 PM
> > >To: 'Ruben Safir'; Joe Grastara
> > >Cc: Marco Scoffier; hangout
> > >Subject: RE: [hangout] Propose a resolution/board meeting on Monday
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Due to the gravity and importance of this situation, I would =20
> strongly
> > >suggest that this proposed meeting be a Board Meeting and in =20
> agreement=A0
> > >with
> > >Joe Gastara, this meeting should be held in a private setting. The =20=
> only
> > >other condition I would like imposed is that all a final conclusion =
=20
> to=A0
> > >this
> > >matter be resolved once and for all. This has gone on way too =20
> long....
> > >
> > >
> > >Regards,
> > >
> > >Evan M. Inker=A0 (New York)=A0 x. 4615
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Ruben Safir [mailto:ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
> > >Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 11:45 AM
> > >To: Joe Grastara
> > >Cc: Marco Scoffier; Ruben Safir; hangout
> > >Subject: Re: [hangout] Propose a resolution/board meeting on Monday
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >I'm not opposed to a board meeting with their apearance.
> > >
> > >I'm opposed to it in a public place, and I'm oppsoed to it being a
> > >'presentation' and I'm opposed to it not being linked to the=A0
> > >negotiation of
> > >the trade of the NY Fair Use brand from NYLXS to Jay and Brett for =20=
> the=A0
> > >.org
> > >domain.
> > >
> > >
> > >There is no indication from Jay or Marco that the meeting that is =20=
> being
> > >proposed is for any other purpose other than a indictment of =
NYLXS,=A0
> > >and me
> > >personally.
> > >
> > >This I'm not interested in.=A0 There has been no suggfestion that =20=
> they=A0
> > >are
> > >willing to transfer the domain.=A0 This is just the repeated =
request =20
> by=A0
> > >Jay
> > >that 'both side of the story' needs to be heard when they've had=A0
> > >multiple
> > >opportunities to do this.
> > >
> > >It's either a meeting to get the Domain exchanged for the NY Fair =20=
> Use=A0
> > >brand
> > >or not.
> > >
> > >Marco can respond to what they are willing to agree to or not.=A0 =
But =20
> I'm
> > >willing to bet a lot that they are not willing to actually put the=A0=
> > >matter to
> > >binding arbitration of to negotiate the exchange.
> > >
> > >and Sunday is the last day I'm holding out that offer.=A0 So they =20=
> should=A0
> > >move
> > >faster. I want this settled before the election.
> > >
> > >Ruben
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 11:33:38AM -0500, Joe Grastara wrote:
> > >>
> > >>Ruben,
> > >>
> > >>We need to have a meeting with Jay and Brett.=A0 If you don't want =
to
> > >>call it an official Board Meeting, I think that's an acceptable =
and
> > >>appropriate measure, given that they have been banned from the
> > >>organization.
> > >>
> > >>I do agree with you though that the stated purpose from our point =20=
> of
> > >>view of the meeting from the start needs to be the transfer of the
> > >>NYLXS.org domain from Brett to NYLXS.=A0 However we should, as a =20=
> show of
> > >>good faith, despite any personal issues any of us may have with =20=
> them,
> > >>give them an opportunity to voice any legitimate issues they may =20=
> have
> > >>with NYLXS as an organization.
> > >>
> > >>Additionally I suggest that we transfer the meeting from the =20
> Killarney
> > >>Rose to a location that has internet connectivity so that we may
> > >>complete the transfer of the domain right at the meeting.
> > >>
> > >>Once again though, the deal you are offering, Ruben, is one that =20=
> Jay
> > >>and Brett will likely find to be fair and thus will result in the
> > >>resolution of this matter.=A0 We should not thwart this process =
any
> > >>further by petty bickering over the logistics of the meeting.
> > >>
> > >>-Joe Grastara
> > >>
> > >>On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 11:15 AM, Marco Scoffier =
wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>>On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 10:44:33AM -0500, Ruben Safir wrote:
> > >>>>No
> > >>>>
> > >>>>There will only be a meeting for them to hand over NYLXS.org
> > >>>>
> > >>>>There banded at this point.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Ruben
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>Can you deny the board such a meeting?
> > >>>
> > >>>As far as I can tell Evan Inker, Vin, Joe Grastara and myself are =
=20
> in
> > >>>favor of such a meeting.=A0 I am happy that finally there are =
some
> > >>>other voices on this.
> > >>>
> > >>>Of course we would need a moderator and an assurance on both =20
> sides to
> > >>>accept the results of such a meeting.
> > >>>
> > >>>I cannot understand how hushing the other side can possibly bring
> > >>>about a resolution.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>--Marco
> > >>>
> > >>>____________________________
> > >>>New Yorker Free Software Users Scene
> > >>>Fair Use -
> > >>>because it's either fair use or useless....
> > >>
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If they want to bring other people as "witnesses", I would be, in
theory, willing to allow that. Of course I can't imagine who else
they would bring that would have relavent, pertinent and useful
knowledge of this issue. But if Jay and Brett insist, they I think we
should at the very least get a list of who they intend to bring as
well some brief but specific justification as to special knowledge
they have and how they will be able to facilitate the settlement of
this issue.
Ruben, I don't have time at the moment to post the minutes. I'll do
it this evening.
-Joe
On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 04:45 PM, Inker, Evan wrote:
=
Arial0000,0000,FFFFam>Maybe
I'm missing the point but I thought Jay and Brett were coming down to
address the concerns voiced earlier. If you are going to get Jay and
Brett and several people addressing the Board, it will be a never
ending story.. As it stands now, who from NYLXS will be attending this
meeting? And has the issue of binding arbitration been agreed =
to?
=A0
=
Arial0000,0000,FFFFer>And
I would like to know what the purpose of these "several" other people
are and who they are...
=
Arial0000,0000,FFFFer>Just
trying to keep it simple. If these several other people are showing up
to confirm/deny any of the issues and they have first hand knowledge,
then I can see the point. Otherwise, its just looks like a cheering
session...
=A0
ArialRegards,
ArialEvan M.
Inker=A0=A0
Tahoma-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph A. Maffia [mailto:jam-at-rm-cpa.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 4:40 PM
To: Ruben Safir; rms-at-gnu.org; hangout-at-nylxs.com
Subject: Re: [hangout] NYLXS.org
I received phone messages from Jay and Brett
today. Saddam Jay asked for more time to turnover his weapons of mass
destruction. Several persons who he attends to attend this discussion
will not be available for a monday meeting.
-At 04:22 PM 02/19/2003 -0500, Ruben Safir wrote:
We can draft it on the list if possible.
We should schedule for it for Sunday perhaps?
If they want to, Brett and Jay can come and complain to the board
about me and so forth then, and then trade the NYLXS.org domain for the
rights of the NY Fair Use brand.
I doubt this will satisfy marco, but I think it gives them the
oppurtunity
for a fair hearing and to air their grievences properly without it
becoming
a circus.
Joe, can I get the minutes from last night up?
Ruben
On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 12:25:52PM -0500, Joe Grastara wrote:
> I agree with Evan, an agenda needs to be drafted and possibly agreed=A0
> upon by all parties before going into the meeting.
>
> -Joe Grastara
>
> On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 12:12 PM, Inker, Evan wrote:
>
> >
> >Ahh,
> >
> >One last condition: An agenda for this meeting needs to be drafted
as=A0
> >I do
> >not want several different parties going off in multiple convoluted=A0
> >areas
> >not related to this matter. If we keep it simple, to the point, and
> >organized, we can maintain a sense of order.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Evan M. Inker=A0 (New York)=A0 x. 4615
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Inker, Evan
=
[1999,1999,FFFFmailto:EInker-at-gam.comor>]
> >Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 12:02 PM
> >To: 'Ruben Safir'; Joe Grastara
> >Cc: Marco Scoffier; hangout
> >Subject: RE: [hangout] Propose a resolution/board meeting on Monday
> >
> >
> >
> >Due to the gravity and importance of this situation, I would
strongly
> >suggest that this proposed meeting be a Board Meeting and in
agreement=A0
> >with
> >Joe Gastara, this meeting should be held in a private setting. The
only
> >other condition I would like imposed is that all a final conclusion
to=A0
> >this
> >matter be resolved once and for all. This has gone on way too
long....
> >
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Evan M. Inker=A0 (New York)=A0 x. 4615
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Ruben Safir
=
[1999,1999,FFFFmailto:ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com<=
/color>]
> >Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 11:45 AM
> >To: Joe Grastara
> >Cc: Marco Scoffier; Ruben Safir; hangout
> >Subject: Re: [hangout] Propose a resolution/board meeting on Monday
> >
> >
> >
> >I'm not opposed to a board meeting with their apearance.
> >
> >I'm opposed to it in a public place, and I'm oppsoed to it being a
> >'presentation' and I'm opposed to it not being linked to the=A0
> >negotiation of
> >the trade of the NY Fair Use brand from NYLXS to Jay and Brett for
the=A0
> >.org
> >domain.
> >
> >
> >There is no indication from Jay or Marco that the meeting that is
being
> >proposed is for any other purpose other than a indictment of NYLXS,=A0
> >and me
> >personally.
> >
> >This I'm not interested in.=A0 There has been no suggfestion that
they=A0
> >are
> >willing to transfer the domain.=A0 This is just the repeated request
by=A0
> >Jay
> >that 'both side of the story' needs to be heard when they've had=A0
> >multiple
> >opportunities to do this.
> >
> >It's either a meeting to get the Domain exchanged for the NY Fair
Use=A0
> >brand
> >or not.
> >
> >Marco can respond to what they are willing to agree to or not.=A0 But
I'm
> >willing to bet a lot that they are not willing to actually put the=A0
> >matter to
> >binding arbitration of to negotiate the exchange.
> >
> >and Sunday is the last day I'm holding out that offer.=A0 So they
should=A0
> >move
> >faster. I want this settled before the election.
> >
> >Ruben
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 11:33:38AM -0500, Joe Grastara wrote:
> >>
> >>Ruben,
> >>
> >>We need to have a meeting with Jay and Brett.=A0 If you don't want =
to
> >>call it an official Board Meeting, I think that's an acceptable and
> >>appropriate measure, given that they have been banned from the
> >>organization.
> >>
> >>I do agree with you though that the stated purpose from our point
of
> >>view of the meeting from the start needs to be the transfer of the
> >>NYLXS.org domain from Brett to NYLXS.=A0 However we should, as a
show of
> >>good faith, despite any personal issues any of us may have with
them,
> >>give them an opportunity to voice any legitimate issues they may
have
> >>with NYLXS as an organization.
> >>
> >>Additionally I suggest that we transfer the meeting from the
Killarney
> >>Rose to a location that has internet connectivity so that we may
> >>complete the transfer of the domain right at the meeting.
> >>
> >>Once again though, the deal you are offering, Ruben, is one that
Jay
> >>and Brett will likely find to be fair and thus will result in the
> >>resolution of this matter.=A0 We should not thwart this process any
> >>further by petty bickering over the logistics of the meeting.
> >>
> >>-Joe Grastara
> >>
> >>On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 11:15 AM, Marco Scoffier wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 10:44:33AM -0500, Ruben Safir wrote:
> >>>>No
> >>>>
> >>>>There will only be a meeting for them to hand over NYLXS.org
> >>>>
> >>>>There banded at this point.
> >>>>
> >>>>Ruben
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> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>Can you deny the board such a meeting?
> >>>
> >>>As far as I can tell Evan Inker, Vin, Joe Grastara and myself are
in
> >>>favor of such a meeting.=A0 I am happy that finally there are some
> >>>other voices on this.
> >>>
> >>>Of course we would need a moderator and an assurance on both
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> >>>accept the results of such a meeting.
> >>>
> >>>I cannot understand how hushing the other side can possibly bring
> >>>about a resolution.
> >>>
> >>>
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