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| DATE | 2003-07-25 |
| FROM | Adam Kosmin
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| SUBJECT | Re: [hangout] Meeting disruptions.
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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 18:21:22 -0400
From: Adam Kosmin
To: Steve Milo
Cc: hangout-at-nylxs.com
Subject: Re: [hangout] Meeting disruptions.
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And that's another way of looking at it...
Steve Milo (slavik914-at-rennlist.com) wrote:
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" The flaw in this argument is that Jay and Brett are banned. That is the=
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" bottom line. That wasnt the time nor the place to have a debate about=20
" wether the ban is justified. Jay should not have been there and neither=
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" should have Brett. Brett sat their quietly until he tried to insinuate=
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" himself into the meeting when Rob was speaking.
" I arrived late into the meeting and it was quite evident to me that the=
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" only reason Jay showed up was to disrupt the meeting. He demanded a=20
" vote and other nonesense,which was clearly not on the agenda. This was=
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" an Education Comittee meeting and he knew it. The purpose of a ban is=20
" to prohibit indivuduals who have proven to be disruptive to an=20
" organization. To me Jay has proven so, I never met him before but my=20
" first impression of him is not favorable.
" Every democratic system has a ban in one form or another.
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" I would have left this alone but I am bothered by the prospect of future=
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" disruptions. Granted we had a productive meeting, but that was=20
" afterwards when he was finally and formally asked to leave. If he feels=
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" he was wronged in some way he should persue that issue through other=20
" venues. A vain attempt at creating discourse will not win any points.
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" Steve M
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" Well, that's one way of looking at it. Of course, I could easily argue
" an alternative version...
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" The Educational Meeting began and was in the process of moving
" through the agenda when Jay Sulzberger showed up. Jay said hello to a
" few friendly faces and was immediately attacked by Ruben who repeatedly
" stated "You are banned!, you are not welcome here." Jay took the=20
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" defense
" and this led to an off-topic debate which lasted for a few moments=20
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" until members of NYLXS suggested that this was not the time or place to
" discuss the issue and expressed a desire to get back on track. Rob took
" offense to the disruption and asked Jay to leave.
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" The bottom line is quite clear to me. The episode could have SO easily
" been avoided by simply applying something called "social skills". For
" all we know, Jay could have had every intention to participate in the
" discussion and could have been prepared to lend assistance. We'll never
" know this because the simple question of "Realizing that issues exist
" that are outside the scope of this meeting, can you tell us why you=20
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" came down here?". By assuming the answer before even asking the=20
" question, NYLXS instigated.
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" Regardless, it was a productive meeting and I'd like to thank everyone
" for taking the time.
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" Best,
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" Adam
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" ____________________________
" NYLXS: New Yorker Free Software Users Scene
" Fair Use -
" because it's either fair use or useless....
" NYLXS is a trademark of NYLXS, Inc
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