MESSAGE
| DATE | 2003-07-11 |
| FROM | Mike Richardson - NYLXS VICE PRESIDENT
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| SUBJECT | Subject: [hangout] Re: for the record
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NO RUBEN AS THIS AFECTS ALL OF NYLXS, INC. IT BELONGS ON HANGOUT. As
administrator of the mailing list you can not determine what issues can be
posted to hangout (you are free to remove porn and spam).
On Fri, 11 Jul 2003, Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS wrote:
> Mike - You might ask Pasha to be a board member. He should be willing to
> do so.
>
> As, as administrator of the mailing list, I'm putting everyone on notice
> that this is not to make it to hangout. We ARE NOT going to have a
> round three or a round four on this issue. And anyone who emails me about
> this issue will be banned from the network. I'm dead serious about this.
> I'm going on vacation on Friday to spend time with my wife and my kids
> and anybody who puts their idea of principles over my personal sanity will
> be yanked.
>
> I recommend that we focus on the foundation of the last meeting and put this
> permanently aside.
>
> Mike - Please take the time out to warn Selso about this as well.
>
>
>
> Ruben
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 11:39:25PM -0400, Adam Kosmin wrote:
> > Ruben,
> >
> > I'm sorry you and I are not in agreement on this but you will
> > not see me stand down from my position. The ban (mailing lists,
> > website access, etc) needs to be removed in order for NYLXS to
> > restore the basic principles of openness, willingness,
> > community, and freedom back into the foundation of the group.
> > Furthermore, the entire banning concept needs to be
> > reconstructed from the ground up. NYLXS does not exist for the
> > soul purpose of creating enemies, adding firewall rules, and
> > flaming mailing lists. While I understand that a ban *can* be
> > useful when used TEMPORARILY in order to defuse a situation
> > until such time when a resolution can be realized, this
> > situation has gone way beyond that and personally, it's
> > embarrassing.
> >
> > We are not here to draw "Us vs. Them" lines within the Free
> > Software community. There is ONLY one "Us vs. Them" discussion
> > that I will entertain when I carry out my business and that is
> > "Supporters of Free Software vs. Those that seek to destroy or
> > impede it". Although I do not know Brett (we've never met), I
> > have no reason to categorize either him or Jay under the latter
> > category and because of this, I am intent on seeing this
> > situation change. The thing that bothers me most about this
> > situation is that it doesn't even allow for the chance of
> > progress. Instead, it just says "This is the way it is, and
> > that's it". Well, I don't like it, I don't respect it, and I
> > won't support it.
> >
> > Also, as stated previously, I will not acknowledge NYLXS laws
> > that censor my relationships. This is something I take very
> > personally and I am trying not to get personal about this.
> > Obviously, this needs further discussion among the board since I
> > am now (and plan to remain) guilty of "mingling with the enemy"
> > due to my ongoing discussions with Jay regarding the Windows
> > Refund issues. According to your comments, this is grounds for
> > my removal from the board. I will not turn and disassociate
> > myself from group (as others have done). Instead, I will
> > continue to assist this organization as best I know how while
> > raising this issue because my instincts tell me that this entire
> > ordeal resulted from a personal feud which was not handled
> > efficiently. As an advocate of Free Software, I can not stand
> > behind what is in place now simply for the hypocrisy aspect
> > alone.
> >
> > I will rely on Mike to include this into the agenda for the next
> > scheduled board meeting and am cc:'ing those who hold a board
> > position in order to give them some time to digest this point of
> > view.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Adam Kosmin
> >
> >
> > Ruben Safir (ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com) wrote:
> > " The ban removal from the NYLXS would need a unanaymous vote, plus the
> > " president.
> > "
> > " It's never happening,
> > "
> > " And I have no intent to relive this again either.
> > "
> > " Ruben
> > "
> > "
> > " On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 10:39:30AM -0400, Adam Kosmin wrote:
> > " > Mike,
> > " >
> > " > I thought you should know that although I don't know Brett Wykoop
> > " > and rarely have a chance to work with Jay Sulzberger, I will not
> > " > acknowledge NYLXS' ban that disallows my involvement with these
> > " > people (or anyone for that matter). From what I understand, this may compromise my position on
> > " > the board. Of course, I'll leave it to the other board members to
> > " > decide whether or not this is the case.
> > " >
> > " > My reason for taking a position on this is simply that I value my
> > " > personal freedoms far more than that of any group.
> > " >
> > " > Also, I will submit a rewrite to both you and Ruben of the content
> > " > which can be found at http://www.nylxs.com/settlement/
> > " >
> > " > While it's not my intention to rewrite history, I do have an agenda
> > " > which includes:
> > " >
> > " > 1. The removal of NYLXS issued bans
> > " > 2. The creation of a plan to (finally) understand the role of
> > " > fairuse.nylxs.com. If NYLXS intends to stand behind it's alegations
> > " > of theft, then the battle should be fought in court. If not, then a
> > " > line in the sand should be drawn and the content should be ported to
> > " > the new name (NYACS?).
> > " >
> > " > Personally, I'm tired of the whole NYLXS vs. J&B thing and I'd like
> > " > to see us move on. We spend alot of time and energy sulking.
> > " >
> > " > Adam Kosmin
> > " >
> > " > --
> > " > # chown -R linux.GNU world
> > "
> > "
> > "
> > " --
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> > " __________________________
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> > "
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> > "
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> > "
> >
> > --
> > # chown -R linux.GNU world
>
>
>
> --
> __________________________
> Brooklyn Linux Solutions
> __________________________
> DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS http://fairuse.nylxs.com
>
> http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting
> http://www.inns.net <-- Happy Clients
> http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
> http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and articles from around the net
> http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown Brooklyn....
>
> 1-718-382-0585
>
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