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| DATE | 2003-07-02 |
| FROM | Mike Richardson - NYLXS VICE PRESIDENT
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| SUBJECT | Re: [hangout] Please check this before I send it.
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 01:12:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mike Richardson - NYLXS VICE PRESIDENT
To: Kevin Mark
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Subject: Re: [hangout] Please check this before I send it.
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What I am objecting to is planting the idea in the minds of those new to
GNU/Linux that the command line is evil, and not to be used. Please look
at the phrase I asked to be removed.
On 2 Jul 2003, Kevin Mark wrote:
>
> While I can understand idea of 'the command line is power', it is not
> the only way to go. People like choice. Tools like Webmin make things
> easier and provide a unified environment to do some admin tasks. So I
> think they were writing to a 'beginning' audience and thus wanted them
> to feel like they could do something that might take more effort without
> taking the time to read lots of possibly confusing documents. There
> idea: do now, learn the details later. They can't have a full staff
> waiting to answer your every question like say a user group or mailing
> list. They think if you want to learn it, you will.
> If there were no GUI'y tools, new users would freak.
> -K
> On Tue, 2003-07-01 at 12:27, Ray C. wrote:
> > chose a better battle
> >
> > On Tuesday 01 July 2003 10:00 am, Michael Richardson wrote:
> > > Please check this letter before I send it to Mandrake-Linux.
> > >
> > > My name is Michael L. Richardson, I am currently President of NYLXS,
> > > INC.
> > > (New York Gnu/Linux Scene). NYLXS is decicated to promoting Free Software
> > > in the NY Area. I have used Mandrake-Linux vers 7.1, 7.2, 8.0, 8.1, 9.0
> > > and now 9.1. In the Users guide for ver 9.1 section IV.11 introduction to
> > > Mandrake control center, Whats in DrakConf is written "Mandrake Control
> > > Center is Mandrake Linux's main configuration tool. It enables the system
> > > administrator to configure the hardware and the services used for all
> > > users. The tools accessible through the Mandrake Control Center greatly
> > > simplify the use of the system, notably by avoiding the use of the evil
> > > command line."
> > >
> > > I take execption to the phrase "notably by avoiding use of the evil
> > > command
> > > line". At the heart of GNU/Linux Systems is the use of the command line.
> > > For a System Adminstrator using GNU/Linux the main tool is the command
> > > line. This is not windows where users are not allowed to use the command
> > > line. Using the command line gives you the freedom to learn how to use your
> > > computer (not just the proprity progrqams someone else wrote. You lean how
> > > the various parts of the computer interact, how to write your own programs.
> > > When using the command line you are not limited to predetimered conditions
> > > imposed by someone else (With Free Software under the GPL you are free to
> > > modify programs to suit your needs) or write your own.
> > >
> > > The pharse "evil command line" has no place in Free Software or any
> > > system
> > > using Free Software it is a Redmond phrase. As you have made your distros
> > > easier to use you have been taking away choices (during the install you no
> > > longer have an expert choice. Oh it says expert but when you click it it
> > > does not give you any choices. The wizards leaves nothing to be done.
> > > It leaves me wondering if Mandrake-Linux is perhaps headed towards becoming
> > > the next Redmond clone? The command line is ManDrake-Linux's saving
> > > grace without it I would not be using Mandrake-Linux.
> > >
> > > The pharse "notably by avoiding use of the evil command line" must
> > > be
> > > removed.
> > >
> > > ____________________________
> > > NYLXS: New Yorker Free Software Users Scene
> > > Fair Use -
> > > because it's either fair use or useless....
> > > NYLXS is a trademark of NYLXS, Inc
>
> ____________________________
> NYLXS: New Yorker Free Software Users Scene
> Fair Use -
> because it's either fair use or useless....
> NYLXS is a trademark of NYLXS, Inc
>
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NYLXS: New Yorker Free Software Users Scene
Fair Use -
because it's either fair use or useless....
NYLXS is a trademark of NYLXS, Inc
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