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DATE 2003-07-24
FROM From: "Inker, Evan"
SUBJECT Subject: [hangout] Small Business Dilemma: Open Source or Proprietary Software?

Small Business Dilemma: Open Source or Proprietary Software?
By Alex Chejlyk - Posted on 2003-07-23 18:25:31
at OSNews [http://www.osnews.com/]

Small business owners now have a software choice. Just a few years ago the
only business choice was to either run legitimate or pirated versions of
proprietary software. Open source is now in a position to challenge
proprietary software on the business and home desktop.

Intro, Servers

Editorial Notice: All opinions are those of the author and not necessarily
those of osnews.com

If you are looking at operating costs, open source offers the least
expensive computing environment for small business. While the quality of
open source software varies from excellent to pre-alpha, the same can be
said of proprietary software. Just take a look at some of the bargain bins
at the local office superstore if you think all proprietary software is
slick and polished. Care must be taken when choosing any software package.

Less than two years ago we evaluated our software needs and the cost of
upgrading our OS licenses. We wanted to become fully legal and up to date
with our software licensing. The desktop software licenses were going to
cost approximately $1000.00 each, that was $8000.00 total in desktop
software licensing. The servers were going to cost us approximately $4235.00
in software licensing, as we were going to upgrade to MS Windows 2000 Server
and Exchange 2000 Server. This $12,235.00 figure was extremely high for our
shop. We'd also have less available software, because we were not going to
purchase software that wasn't absolutely necessary. This is when we looked
into using open source. Open source software provided all the tools we
needed for less than $100.00, total. Re-training cost was all we had to pay
for, that payment would be in the form of time. When the estimated cost of
retraining was compared to proprietary software's licensing fee's, we made
the decision to migrate to opensource.

A major migration concern was the ability of open source software to read
and write in proprietary formats. It seemed that everyone was sending
Microsoft Word formatted documents and Microsoft Excel formatted
spreadsheets. Our primary concern was Microsoft Office compatibility.
Luckily, the amazing open source software developers have made great strides
in the compatibility area.

The Servers.

Servers were the easiest switch. We were running a Windows 2000 file and
print server. The Windows 2000 server was a decent performer. I rebooted it
after every patch and at least every month for best performance. It became
infected (we used Norton AV) with only two viruses after a year of service.
The fear of losing it to a virus was always in the back of my mind. As a
replacement we reviewed two open source operating systems, Linux and
FreeBSD. Linux and FreeBSD are powerful, ultra stable operating systems that
perform the tasks of a (NFS) file server natively.

We chose Mandrake Linux as the file server. The Samba server software
package was run to allow interoperability with our MS Windows desktops.
Mandrake also comes with CUPS, a modern printing system for Unix/Linux
environments. The printers were shared via Samba to the MS Windows clients.
Mandrake Linux solved the file and print server switch. Stability is
incredible. I have the Mandrake server download and install its patches,
automatically, every evening. I haven't been forced to reboot for stability
reasons since this machine was put into service. I do power down during
thunderstorms, and reboot when I apply a Kernel patch. No viruses have shown
up on it. We currently use Sophos AV, just in case.
We had a MS Windows NT 4.0 server running MS Exchange 5.5. This system was
running, but was erratic. Sometimes it ran like a champ for two months then
slow to a crawl in one day. The MTA would also die unexpectedly. The system
logs didn't indicate why this was happening, the MTA would just stop. A
reboot and it would run great again. This was annoying, but I could live
with it. Backing up the data stores wasn't easy on that machine, either. The
box was compromised once and used as an open relay thanks to a Trojan that
got in and opened it up to spammers (my fault the AV was disabled for a
service pack reinstall). When I think about it, I hated that box! Switching
the MS Exchange system was a challenge. At the time, I couldn't find any
single free open source software that would perform all of Microsoft's
Exchange functions.
We eventually chose Postfix as the email replacement and OpenLDAP as the
shared address book directory (very difficult to setup). The calendar
sharing was never really an issue because we never shared our calendars, but
WebDAV could be used to share calendar data. OpenLDAP was confusing to
configure, but after at least 100 pages of how-to's I got it running.
Postfix was a breeze. I've never had to fiddle with either of these since
the install. The patches are automatically applied, if they require a
service restart, I do so at my convenience. Stability is exceptional. It is
difficult to convey the difference in maintenance time. I spent at least 2
to 4 hours a week doing something on the MS Windows servers. The Linux
servers don't even have monitors on them! I check in on them via ssh about
once a month, but so far they are as dependable as a brick. I spent at least
5 hours on OpenLDAP, 4 hours playing with Samba and 2 hours learning Postfix
basics. This is one of those hidden cost things about open source. On the
other hand, Exchange 2000 is totally different from Exchange 5.5 so that
would take at least 5 hours to learn enough about it to safely deploy it for
our organization. I spent countless hours fiddling with Windows 2000 server
in the past, so it is hard to say how much I spent learning it, a safe
figure would be 10 hours before I was ready to deploy it. These figures may
be low, but I knew NT 3.5 through 4.0 and Exchange 4.0 through 5.5.


Desktop, Conclusion

The Desktop

The desktop switch was easier than I thought it would be. I was running a
dual boot MS Windows 98/2000 station. Stability was OK with my MS Windows
desktop, but it was shut down almost every evening. I'd also reload all
software every three months or so (Norton Ghost made that easy). Viruses
were the biggest headache. I eventually ran into a snag with a piece of
hardware and that is when I loaded Mandrake Linux.

The Mandrake Linux distribution came with KDE as its default GUI desktop. I
liked it right away, although the fonts were functional, they weren't nearly
as nice as Microsoft's. Later Linux distributions included better fonts,
I've upgraded my Mandrake desktop to the latest version 9.1, and the fonts
are beautiful. Although the KDE desktop is similar in function to a MS
Windows desktop, there are many differences. There is no networking icon on
the desktop and there isn't a my computer icon. Instead you have all the
removable drives on the desktop and a home icon. You also have different
icons in the menu bar, but all of this is totally customizable. If you want,
you can mimic the MS Windows desktop look and feel very easily. There is one
feature that MS Windows does not have, it is the virtual desktop. This
essentially increases the desktop user space by a magnitude of four, and
this number can be increased to sixteen. It is similar to having a
multi-head display, except you switch displays with your hands not your
eyes.

We chose Sun's StarOffice as my Microsoft Office replacement. StarOffice did
a very good job with MS Documents and Excel spreadsheets. It had all the
functions we used. The StarOffice suite interface is very similar to
Microsoft's Office suite interface. The learning curve is minimal. I'd
venture to say that the average user would need about 2 hours training to
get up to speed with StarOffice. A power user may need more time, but a
minimalist user would need less. Retraining time for the office suite cost
my company approximately $40.00 per employee. A total of $280.00 in
retraining costs for the most used software in my company. We've switched to
OpenOffice.org now instead of Sun's StarOffice as they are basically the
same package, with Sun's version having a proprietary database and assorted
templates. Either of these packages work very well when dealing with a
Microsoft Word or Excel file formats. PDF documents are handled by Xpdf,
GhostScript or Adobe's Acrobat Reader v5.

For image manipulation, We use the Gimp or ImageMagick. I only do basic
image manipulation, the Gimp is overkill for most of my uses. When I ran MS
Windows, Photoshop was also more powerful than I needed, but the MS Image
program was not powerful enough. Learning the interface basics, 1 hour.

Scanning is handled by XSane. XSane is excellent and uses a standard
interface for all scanners as compared to the myriad of different interfaces
that are written for the MS Windows environment. Learning the interface
basics, 1 hour.
The Internet browsers that come bundled with Mandrake are Konqueror,
Mozilla, Galeon, Opera Links(text) and Lynx(text). I mainly use Konqueror
and Mozilla, although I do use Links now and then. Learning the interface
basics, 5 minutes.
Mr Project takes care of project management, it is not compatible with MS
Project but it is similar in design and performance. Learning the interface
basics, 1 hour.

Flowcharting is handled by Kivio or Dia, both offer similar functionality to
MS Visio but not compatible with the MS file format. Learning the interface
basics, 1 hour.

I use the bundled KDE PIM functions, calendar (Korganizer), address book
(Kaddress), email client (KMail) and replaced my paper sticky notes with
Knote. If you like MS Outlook try Ximian's Evolution. Learning the interface
basics, 30 minutes.

Open source instant messaging is way ahead. I use GAIM, it works with AOL,
Yahoo, MSN, Jabber and several others. One client, many services. Learning
the interface basics, 5 minutes.

Desktop publishing is handled by Scribus. Scribus v1.0 just came out and it
is very good. This easily replaces MS Publisher, but is not compatible with
the file format. Scribus isn't yet up to the same tasks as Quark Express,
but it is an excellent package. I'm sure as it progresses it will offer
everything all the "top" proprietary packages do.
Learning the interface basics, 1 hour.

The Konqueror file manager is similar in function to MS Explorer. I prefer
the functionality in Konqueror a bit more than MS Explorer, but this is
totally user preference. Learning the interface basics, 5 minutes.
The reason I used learning the interface basics instead of retraining time
is because every user has a different proficiency level at certain software
packages. I believe being able to use the package for what it was meant for
is all that is needed for retraining time. Others may argue that a user must
know how to use all the tools of the package in order to be considered
proficient. I am only worried about productivity.

All following prices are in US dollars.

Proprietary
Total Desktop Proprietary Software Costs: $1000.00
Total Server Proprietary Software Cost: $4237.00

Desktop Software
Microsoft Windows 2000/XP: $200.00
Microsoft Office SBE: $200.00
Microsoft Project: $250.00
Microsoft Visio: $100.00
Photoshop: $450.00
AOL Instant Messenger: Free
Internet Explorer: Included with OS

Server Software
Windows 200x File and Print Server (10 user): $1199.00
Windows 200x Server & MS Exchange Server 2000 (10 user):
$3038.00


Open Source
Total Desktop and Server Open Source Software Costs:
$69.00

Desktop Software
Mandrake Linux Distribution (Includes everything below):
$69.00
OpenOffice.org (Writer, Calc, Impress, Draw)
Mr. Project
KDE Kivio
The Gimp
Evolution (outlook clone)
GAIM
Konqueror

Server Software
Mandrake Linux with Samba & CUPS(Unlimited Users)
OpenLDAP, PostFix & WebDAV

Our Accounting tasks are handled by Appgen's "My Books", a proprietary
software package. It works with Microsoft Windows, Linux, Unix, and
Macintosh. I use the $99.00 package which is comparable to Intuit's
Quickbooks. Appgen is much more stable, and has amazing network performance.


There are literally thousands of packages in the Mandrake distribution. I've
only listed a few. You can download Mandrake and most other distributions
for free. For $70.00 you get a box, book and disc. RedHat offers a similar
distribution for less than $100.00. SuSE also offers the same type of
software at a comparable price. There are dozens of Linux distributions. If
you want support, these companies offer it depending upon the package you
purchase.

When using any *nix environment the resistance to viral threats is currently
exceptional. I say currently, because who knows what virus writers can come
up with in the future. The whole model of *nix is more secure than the
current Microsoft Windows model. Unix/Linux, by default won't allow a user
to enter vital system files, this is one of the reasons why viruses don't
have the same effect in the *nix environment. MS Windows can be made secure
to a point, but it was designed with users (and unfortunately viruses)
having full access to the system files. Viruses have an easy time getting to
the MS registry and corrupting the system.

Conclusion

If you are starting a business or already own a small business I suggest
giving open source a try. The cost savings are incredible. Stability is
exceptional. Compatibility is very good. You may choose to stay with the
Microsoft Windows operating system, yet still save thousands by using open
source software for the office suite, servers and image manipulation. If you
choose to change the operating system to Linux or FreeBSD you will have
increased stability, lower maintenance costs and excellent virus resistance.


The choice is ultimately yours, now that there is a choice!

About the Author:

My name is Alex Chejlyk. I own and operate a small business (10 years) that
performs IT tasks for other small businesses in the area. I've been
computing since the early 80's. I started out with CPM then to DOS,
LANtastic, Windows 2.x, Apple, OS2, Windows 3.x, Be, Windows NT/9x/2K/Xp,
Unix, and Linux.


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  54. 2003-07-25 NYLUG NYLUG <nylug-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NY Fair Use meeting at the NYLXS Headquarters
  55. 2003-07-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS RADIO SHOW
  56. 2003-07-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tech Night Sunday Night
  57. 2003-07-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NY Fair Use/NYACSH Meeting Announcement
  58. 2003-07-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Regular Expression Help
  59. 2003-07-24 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Regular Expression Help
  60. 2003-07-24 Deosaran Bisnath <deobisnath-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] Is there anyone out there?
  61. 2003-07-24 Spidey309-at-aol.com Re: [hangout] Is there anyone out there?
  62. 2003-07-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NY Fair Use meeting at the NYLXS Headquarters
  63. 2003-07-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [EmperorLinux-Announce] "Meteor" MM10: ultra-portable 2 pound Linux Laptop from EmperorLinux
  64. 2003-07-23 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] City hall shooting
  65. 2003-07-23 Deosaran Bisnath <deobisnath-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] City hall shooting
  66. 2003-07-23 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] City hall shooting
  67. 2003-07-23 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] City hall shooting
  68. 2003-07-23 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] City hall shooting
  69. 2003-07-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Meeting Disruptions again
  70. 2003-07-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Meeting Disruptions
  71. 2003-07-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Education Meeting Preminary report
  72. 2003-07-22 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] FSCC Evening meeting Wed July 23, 2203 7:00 PM
  73. 2003-07-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] School Technology
  74. 2003-07-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [nylxs-announce] [hangout] Evening FSCC Meeting
  75. 2003-07-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] School Technology
  76. 2003-07-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] School Technology
  77. 2003-07-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] School Technology
  78. 2003-07-21 Robert Marino <prmarino-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] School Technology
  79. 2003-07-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Well Marco's gone from the list
  80. 2003-07-21 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] School technology.
  81. 2003-07-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] SCO Escalates Linux Battle
  82. 2003-07-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] School Technology
  83. 2003-07-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] School Technology
  84. 2003-07-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] info-at-j2jnetwork.com: J2J Network - Job Postings week of 7/21/03
  85. 2003-07-21 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] SCO Escalates Linux Battle
  86. 2003-07-21 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] School Technology
  87. 2003-07-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] School Technology
  88. 2003-07-21 Sunny Dubey <dubeys-at-bxscience.edu> Re: [hangout] Re: [nylxs-announce] Weekly NYLXS Announcments
  89. 2003-07-20 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] IT court cases (video)
  90. 2003-07-20 Bruce Ingalls <bingalls-at-fit-zones.com> Re: [hangout] IT Court Cases
  91. 2003-07-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [nylxs-announce] Weekly NYLXS Announcments
  92. 2003-07-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IT Court Cases
  93. 2003-07-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IT Court Cases
  94. 2003-07-20 From: "Bruce Ingalls" <bingalls-at-fit-zones.com> RE: [hangout] IT Court Cases
  95. 2003-07-20 Robert Marino <prmarino-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [nylxs-announce] Weekly NYLXS Announcments
  96. 2003-07-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tech Night Sunday Night
  97. 2003-07-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] InService Presentation SAchedule for August
  98. 2003-07-20 From: "Bruce Ingalls" <bingalls-at-fit-zones.com> Subject: [hangout] IT Court Cases
  99. 2003-07-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IT Court Cases
  100. 2003-07-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [nylxs-announce] Weekly NYLXS Announcments
  101. 2003-07-20 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [nylxs-announce] Weekly NYLXS Announcments
  102. 2003-07-20 Sunny Dubey <dubeys-at-bxscience.edu> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylxs-announce] Weekly NYLXS Announcments
  103. 2003-07-18 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Suggestions for a Linux admin book...
  104. 2003-07-18 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Re: camara
  105. 2003-07-18 akbar pasha <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] 2 questions
  106. 2003-07-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: camara
  107. 2003-07-18 joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com Subject: [hangout] CMYK plugin for The GIMP
  108. 2003-07-18 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Topic for technite.
  109. 2003-07-18 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: camara
  110. 2003-07-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Thanks Everyone for help tonight
  111. 2003-07-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] mv hangout flamewars
  112. 2003-07-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: #350: D Pipes v. M Khan on "Islam and Democracy" [dplist-at-danielpipes.org]
  113. 2003-07-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] mv hangout flamewars
  114. 2003-07-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] mv hangout flamewars
  115. 2003-07-17 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] mv hangout flamewars
  116. 2003-07-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] mv hangout flamewars
  117. 2003-07-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] New Installment of Handbook
  118. 2003-07-17 akbar pasha <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Subject: [hangout] 2 questions
  119. 2003-07-17 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] We need a 501c3
  120. 2003-07-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] mv hangout flamewars
  121. 2003-07-17 Mike Richardson - NYLXS VICE PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] mv hangout flamewars
  122. 2003-07-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] mv hangout flamewars
  123. 2003-07-17 From: "P. Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord.altschools.org> Subject: [hangout] Education committee
  124. 2003-07-17 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] hp's d220 w/ Linux
  125. 2003-07-17 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] mv hangout flamewars
  126. 2003-07-17 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] mv hangout flamewars
  127. 2003-07-17 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] mv hangout flamewars
  128. 2003-07-17 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] mv hangout flamewars
  129. 2003-07-17 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Education Meeting Tonight?
  130. 2003-07-17 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] FW: NYLXS inventoryFW: FW: Need Updated Status on NYLXS ....
  131. 2003-07-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl, Pattern Matching and Delete
  132. 2003-07-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Education Meeting Tonight?
  133. 2003-07-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl pattern matching
  134. 2003-07-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: FW: [hangout] Radio Show and Membership Meeting Tonight
  135. 2003-07-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: FW: [hangout] Radio Show and Membership Meeting Tonight
  136. 2003-07-17 From: "P. Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord.altschools.org> Re: FW: [hangout] Radio Show and Membership Meeting Tonight
  137. 2003-07-17 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: FW: [hangout] Radio Show and Membership Meeting Tonight
  138. 2003-07-17 joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com Re: [hangout] Perl pattern matching
  139. 2003-07-17 From: "P. Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord.altschools.org> Re: [hangout] Education Meeting Tonight?
  140. 2003-07-17 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Perl pattern matching
  141. 2003-07-17 joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com Subject: [hangout] Perl, Pattern Matching and Delete
  142. 2003-07-17 Bob Butcher <rwbutcher-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] Rep
  143. 2003-07-17 Bob Butcher <rwbutcher-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] Rep
  144. 2003-07-17 Bob Butcher <rwbutcher-at-yahoo.com> RE: [hangout] RE: 7 points to consider about the Update on Handbo ok
  145. 2003-07-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYACSH/NY Fair Use Meeting
  146. 2003-07-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Radio Show and Membership Meeting Tonight
  147. 2003-07-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Education Meeting Tonight?
  148. 2003-07-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] mv hangout flamewars
  149. 2003-07-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Mind Games
  150. 2003-07-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Mind Games
  151. 2003-07-16 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Mind Games
  152. 2003-07-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FSCC Meeting moved :)
  153. 2003-07-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Mind Games
  154. 2003-07-16 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] P. Robert
  155. 2003-07-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Mind Games
  156. 2003-07-16 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Mind Games
  157. 2003-07-16 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Mind Games
  158. 2003-07-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Mind Games
  159. 2003-07-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] RE: 7 points to consider about the Update on Handbo ok
  160. 2003-07-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] RE: 7 points to consider about the Update on Handbook
  161. 2003-07-16 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] RE: 7 points to consider about the Update on Handbo
  162. 2003-07-16 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Mind Games
  163. 2003-07-16 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] 7 points to consider about the Update on Handbook
  164. 2003-07-16 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Mind Games
  165. 2003-07-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Mind Games
  166. 2003-07-16 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Update on Handbook
  167. 2003-07-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Update on Handbook
  168. 2003-07-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Update on Handbook
  169. 2003-07-16 Mike Richardson - NYLXS VICE PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] PHP and MYSQL
  170. 2003-07-16 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] In 1 hour! :: NY Linux Users Group Stammtisch /
  171. 2003-07-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] PHP and MYSQL
  172. 2003-07-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] PHP and MYSQL
  173. 2003-07-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] In 1 hour! :: NY Linux Users Group Stammtisch / Consultants Dinner
  174. 2003-07-15 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] In 1 hour! :: NY Linux Users Group Stammtisch /
  175. 2003-07-15 Mike Richardson - NYLXS VICE PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] PHP and MYSQL
  176. 2003-07-15 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] yay!
  177. 2003-07-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Update on Handbook
  178. 2003-07-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Weasles
  179. 2003-07-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] PHP and MYSQL
  180. 2003-07-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Paging Rob from the Education Committee
  181. 2003-07-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Attention New Board Members
  182. 2003-07-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Intro video
  183. 2003-07-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Speaking of computers...
  184. 2003-07-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] In 1 hour! :: NY Linux Users Group Stammtisch / Consultants Dinner
  185. 2003-07-15 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [hangout] In 1 hour! :: NY Linux Users Group Stammtisch / Consultants Dinner
  186. 2003-07-15 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Math.h
  187. 2003-07-15 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Math.h
  188. 2003-07-15 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] Linux on the desktop
  189. 2003-07-15 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Speaking of computers...
  190. 2003-07-15 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Intro video
  191. 2003-07-15 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] busride
  192. 2003-07-15 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] HP: Open Source Here to Stay
  193. 2003-07-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Bus Ride
  194. 2003-07-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Intro video
  195. 2003-07-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Wal-Mart Adds SuSE-Based PCs As Linux Offerings Grow
  196. 2003-07-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] HP: Open Source Here to Stay
  197. 2003-07-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] SuSE Security Announcement: nfs-utils (SuSE-SA:2003:031)
  198. 2003-07-15 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] HP: Open Source Here to Stay
  199. 2003-07-15 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Wal-Mart Adds SuSE-Based PCs As Linux Offerings Grow
  200. 2003-07-14 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Intro video
  201. 2003-07-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: education committe
  202. 2003-07-14 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Bus Ride
  203. 2003-07-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Weasle
  204. 2003-07-13 Mike Richardson - NYLXS VICE PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] PHP and MYSQL
  205. 2003-07-13 Mike Richardson - NYLXS VICE PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Video editing software for Linux
  206. 2003-07-12 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Video editing software for Linux
  207. 2003-07-12 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Video editing software for Linux
  208. 2003-07-12 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Video editing software for Linux
  209. 2003-07-12 Mike Richardson - NYLXS VICE PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Video editing software for Linux
  210. 2003-07-12 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Video editing software for Linux
  211. 2003-07-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Weasles
  212. 2003-07-12 Mike Richardson - NYLXS VICE PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Video editing software for Linux
  213. 2003-07-11 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Sunday technite
  214. 2003-07-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Speakign of Committees
  215. 2003-07-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: for the record
  216. 2003-07-11 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Re: for the record
  217. 2003-07-11 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: fallback
  218. 2003-07-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: for the record
  219. 2003-07-11 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] fallback
  220. 2003-07-11 Mike Richardson - NYLXS VICE PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: for the record
  221. 2003-07-11 Mike Richardson - NYLXS VICE PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] website updates(www.nylxs.com)
  222. 2003-07-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Previous Minutes for Reference
  223. 2003-07-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Old Minutes which need to be reviewed on Bans etc
  224. 2003-07-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Minutes - July Meeting
  225. 2003-07-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] is Bill Putney out there?
  226. 2003-07-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] June Board Meeting Report
  227. 2003-07-10 akbar pasha <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] NYACC Meeting Notice || 2003-07-10 || mesgno 11772
  228. 2003-07-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [learn] Re: [hangout] website updates(www.nylxs.com)
  229. 2003-07-10 akbar pasha <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] website updates(www.nylxs.com)
  230. 2003-07-10 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] MSLinux release
  231. 2003-07-10 Sunny Dubey <dubeys-at-bxscience.edu> Re: [hangout] MSLinux release
  232. 2003-07-10 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] MSLinux release
  233. 2003-07-10 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] NYACC Meeting Notice || 2003-07-10 || mesgno 11772
  234. 2003-07-10 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] NYACC Meeting Notice || 2003-07-10 || mesgno 11772
  235. 2003-07-10 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Two different meetings today...
  236. 2003-07-10 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] FSCC Meeting Today
  237. 2003-07-10 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] is Bill Putney out there?
  238. 2003-07-10 From: "P. Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord.altschools.org> Re: [hangout] MSLinux release
  239. 2003-07-10 Spidey309-at-aol.com Subject: [hangout] MSLinux release
  240. 2003-07-10 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] website updates(www.nylxs.com)
  241. 2003-07-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYACC Meeting Notice
  242. 2003-07-09 akbar pasha <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Subject: [hangout] website updates(www.nylxs.com)
  243. 2003-07-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] OpenBSD Gets Harder to Crack - OpenBSD 3.3
  244. 2003-07-09 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] OpenBSD Gets Harder to Crack - OpenBSD 3.3
  245. 2003-07-09 Sunny Dubey <dubeys-at-bxscience.edu> Subject: [hangout] Mandrake 9.1 --> 100% Free Software distro
  246. 2003-07-09 Mike Richardson - NYLXS VICE PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] inservice idea
  247. 2003-07-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] General Emergency Meeting
  248. 2003-07-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] running stuff
  249. 2003-07-08 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] inservice idea
  250. 2003-07-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] HP offers Mandrake Linux 9.1 - Preinstalled 2.4Ghz
  251. 2003-07-08 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] HP offers Mandrake Linux 9.1 - Preinstalled 2.4Ghz Pentium
  252. 2003-07-08 Brent Fox <bfox-at-redhat.com> Re: [hangout] HP offers Mandrake Linux 9.1 - Preinstalled 2.4Ghz
  253. 2003-07-08 Brent Fox <bfox-at-redhat.com> Re: [hangout] HP offers Mandrake Linux 9.1 - Preinstalled 2.4Ghz
  254. 2003-07-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] HP offers Mandrake Linux 9.1 - Preinstalled 2.4Ghz
  255. 2003-07-08 Brent Fox <bfox-at-redhat.com> Re: [hangout] HP offers Mandrake Linux 9.1 - Preinstalled 2.4Ghz
  256. 2003-07-08 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] HP offers Mandrake Linux 9.1 - Preinstalled 2.4Ghz Pentium
  257. 2003-07-08 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] FW: Gnubies this Wednesday July 9th, Sam Hiser on OpenOffice.org
  258. 2003-07-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Membership Handbook - 1st Drafts
  259. 2003-07-07 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: FW: [hangout] General Emergency Meeting
  260. 2003-07-07 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] FSCC Meeting Tomorow Night?
  261. 2003-07-07 Michael L Richardson <michael.l.richardson-at-verizon.net> Re: [nylxs-announce] Re: FW: [hangout] General Emergency Meeting
  262. 2003-07-07 Bill Putney <bputney-at-the-bomb.com> Re: [hangout] General Emergency Meeting
  263. 2003-07-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] PXE and tftp
  264. 2003-07-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] SUSe Remote install
  265. 2003-07-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: FW: [hangout] General Emergency Meeting
  266. 2003-07-07 Mike Richardson - NYLXS VICE PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: FW: [hangout] General Emergency Meeting
  267. 2003-07-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FSCC Meeting Tomorow Night?
  268. 2003-07-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: FW: [hangout] General Emergency Meeting
  269. 2003-07-07 Peter Siegel <psiegel-at-monmouth.com> Subject: [hangout] Emergency Meeting
  270. 2003-07-07 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> FW: [hangout] General Emergency Meeting
  271. 2003-07-07 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] FSCC Meeting Tomorow Night?
  272. 2003-07-07 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux creator an open source Torvalds on SCO suit, Microsoft and his
  273. 2003-07-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Technite - Continues on ....
  274. 2003-07-06 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Journal
  275. 2003-07-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Journal
  276. 2003-07-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Server Migration
  277. 2003-07-06 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] SuSe 8.2
  278. 2003-07-06 Mike Richardson - NYLXS VICE PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] SuSe 8.2
  279. 2003-07-06 Mike Richardson - NYLXS VICE PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Microsoft EULA is "hear say" according to last
  280. 2003-07-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] today's meeting proceeds as usual?
  281. 2003-07-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] GRR's Laws of IT/Computers.
  282. 2003-07-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] SuSe 8.2
  283. 2003-07-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Microsoft EULA is "hear say" according to last night's Judge
  284. 2003-07-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Suse 8.2 Pro
  285. 2003-07-06 Mike Richardson - NYLXS VICE PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] General Emergency Meeting
  286. 2003-07-05 Jacek Blizinski <azidog-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Suse 8.2 Pro
  287. 2003-07-05 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Software licenses don't work
  288. 2003-07-04 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Toshiba petition
  289. 2003-07-04 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Independance Day
  290. 2003-07-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software Tech Nite - Sunday Evening
  291. 2003-07-04 Mike Richardson - NYLXS VICE PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] 4th of July
  292. 2003-07-03 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FSCC Meeting Tomorow Night?
  293. 2003-07-03 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Happy 4th of July to All!
  294. 2003-07-03 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] FSCC Meeting Tomorow Night?
  295. 2003-07-03 Mike Richardson - NYLXS VICE PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Suse 8.2 Pro
  296. 2003-07-02 akbar pasha <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] Suse 8.2 Pro
  297. 2003-07-02 akbar pasha <akbar-at-pionerd.org> RE: [hangout] sys admin journal
  298. 2003-07-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Suse 8.2 Pro
  299. 2003-07-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Suse 8.2 Pro
  300. 2003-07-02 Mike Richardson - NYLXS VICE PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] sys admin journal
  301. 2003-07-02 akbar pasha <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] Suse 8.2 Pro
  302. 2003-07-02 akbar pasha <akbar-at-pionerd.org> RE: [hangout] sys admin journal
  303. 2003-07-02 Jacek Blizinski <azidog-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Suse 8.2 Pro
  304. 2003-07-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Suse
  305. 2003-07-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FSCC Meeting Tomorow Night?
  306. 2003-07-02 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Hackathon July 06, 2003 "Let the Games Begin..."
  307. 2003-07-02 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] linux journal
  308. 2003-07-02 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] HP offers Mandrake Linux 9.1 - Preinstalled 2.4Ghz Pentium
  309. 2003-07-02 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] sys admin journal
  310. 2003-07-02 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Open source trade clash
  311. 2003-07-02 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] FSCC Meeting Tomorow Night?
  312. 2003-07-02 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] FSCC Meeting Tomorow Night?
  313. 2003-07-02 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] letter to Mandrake - edit 1
  314. 2003-07-02 Joe Grastara <joe-at-endeavor.med.nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] letter to Mandrake - edit 1
  315. 2003-07-02 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] FSCC Meeting Tomorow Night?
  316. 2003-07-02 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] sys admin journal
  317. 2003-07-02 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Suse
  318. 2003-07-02 Mike Richardson - NYLXS VICE PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: [wwwac] MS 'owns' the Web?] (fwd)
  319. 2003-07-02 Mike Richardson - NYLXS VICE PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] letter to Mandrake - edit 1
  320. 2003-07-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FSCC Meeting Tomorow Night?
  321. 2003-07-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] the group
  322. 2003-07-02 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Microsoft EULA is "hear say" according to last night's Judge
  323. 2003-07-02 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] letter to Mandrake - edit 1
  324. 2003-07-02 Mike Richardson - NYLXS VICE PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Please check this before I send it.
  325. 2003-07-01 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] linuxiso.org gets a cease and desist letter from Re dHat.
  326. 2003-07-01 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] linuxiso.org gets a cease and desist letter from Re dHat.
  327. 2003-07-01 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] the group
  328. 2003-07-01 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Domain transfers
  329. 2003-07-01 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] linuxiso.org gets a cease and desist letter from Re dHat.
  330. 2003-07-01 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Please check this before I send it.
  331. 2003-07-01 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Please check this before I send it.
  332. 2003-07-01 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] linuxiso.org gets a cease and desist letter from Re
  333. 2003-07-01 Kevin Milani <news-at-impact-it.net> Re: [hangout] linuxiso.org gets a cease and desist letter from
  334. 2003-07-01 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] linuxiso.org gets a cease and desist letter from RedHat.
  335. 2003-07-01 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Please check this before I send it.
  336. 2003-07-31 From: "akbar pasha" <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] Emperor Linux Laptops
  337. 2003-07-30 Sunny Dubey <dubeys-at-bxscience.edu> Re: [hangout] Revolution OS Movie
  338. 2003-07-30 Sunny Dubey <dubeys-at-bxscience.edu> Re: [hangout] Emperor Linux Laptops
  339. 2003-07-30 Sunny Dubey <dubeys-at-bxscience.edu> Re: [hangout] Emperor Linux Laptops
  340. 2003-07-30 Sunny Dubey <dubeys-at-bxscience.edu> Re: [hangout] Tech Night Idea's
  341. 2003-07-30 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Judge orders Interior to shut off Internet connections
  342. 2003-07-30 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Rogue Linux Installs on the Rise
  343. 2003-07-30 From: "akbar pasha" <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] Emperor Linux Laptops
  344. 2003-07-29 Sunny Dubey <dubeys-at-bxscience.edu> Re: [hangout] Revolution OS Movie
  345. 2003-07-29 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Resignation - NYLXS Board & 1st Vice President
  346. 2003-07-29 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] RE: Are your receiving this?
  347. 2003-07-28 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Owner of Stolen 'Sex.com' Can Sue VeriSign-Court
  348. 2003-07-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Small Business Dilemma: Open Source or Proprietary Software?
  349. 2003-07-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Is there anyone out there?
  350. 2003-07-23 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] 2 questions
  351. 2003-07-23 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] 2 questions
  352. 2003-07-22 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] FSCC Evening meeting Wed July 23, 2203 7:00 PM
  353. 2003-07-22 Sunny Dubey <dubeys-at-bxscience.edu> Re: [hangout] School Technology
  354. 2003-07-22 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Evening FSCC Meeting
  355. 2003-07-21 Sunny Dubey <dubeys-at-bxscience.edu> Re: [hangout] School Technology
  356. 2003-07-21 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] SCO Escalates Linux Battle
  357. 2003-07-01 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] linuxiso.org gets a cease and desist letter from RedHat.
  358. 2003-07-01 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft EULA is "hear say" according to last night's Judge
  359. 2003-07-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Owner of Stolen 'Sex.com' Can Sue VeriSign-Court
  360. 2003-07-30 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Owner of Stolen 'Sex.com' Can Sue VeriSign-Court
  361. 2003-07-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Owner of Stolen 'Sex.com' Can Sue VeriSign-Court
  362. 2003-07-29 Bob Butcher <rwbutcher-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] Owner of Stolen 'Sex.com' Can Sue VeriSign-Court
  363. 2003-07-24 Sunny Dubey <dubeys-at-bxscience.edu> Subject: [hangout] DoJ Intellectual Property Lawyers answer questions from Slashdot.org
  364. 2003-07-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [Lula] HP offers Mandrake Linux 9.1 - Preinstalled 2.4Ghz Pentium
  365. 2003-07-02 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [Lula] HP offers Mandrake Linux 9.1 - Preinstalled 2.4Ghz Pentium
  366. 2003-07-02 Brian Redfern <bredfern-at-calarts.edu> Subject: [hangout] Re: [Lula] HP offers Mandrake Linux 9.1 - Preinstalled 2.4Ghz Pentium
  367. 2003-07-03 Brent Fox <bfox-at-redhat.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [Lula] HP offers Mandrake Linux 9.1 - Preinstalled 2.4Ghz Pentium

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