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| DATE | 2003-09-02 |
| FROM | Joe Grastara
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| SUBJECT | Re: [hangout] Interesting article on Valenti in this months
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From owner-hangout-desteny-at-mrbrklyn.com Tue Sep 2 23:13:23 2003 Received: from www2.mrbrklyn.com (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by mrbrklyn.com (8.12.3/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) with ESMTP id h833DNHD015675 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 23:13:23 -0400 Received: (from mdom-at-localhost) by www2.mrbrklyn.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id h833DN4r015674 for hangout-desteny; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 23:13:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: www2.mrbrklyn.com: mdom set sender to owner-hangout-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com using -f Received: from www2.mrbrklyn.com (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by mrbrklyn.com (8.12.3/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) with ESMTP id h833DMHD015668 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 23:13:22 -0400 Received: (from ruben-at-localhost) by www2.mrbrklyn.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id h833DMNc015667 for hangout-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 23:13:22 -0400 Received: from vigilant.med.nyu.edu (cheezwhiz.med.nyu.edu [128.122.2.134]) by mrbrklyn.com (8.12.3/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) with ESMTP id h82EGAHD003694 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:16:11 -0400 Received: from endeavor.med.nyu.edu (endeavor.med.nyu.edu [128.122.244.11]) by vigilant.med.nyu.edu (PMDF V6.2 #30606) with ESMTP id <0HKL002GOBTRU8-at-vigilant.med.nyu.edu> for hangout-at-nylxs.com; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 10:20:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.165.7.80] (joes-cool-laptop.gbh.med.nyu.edu [10.165.7.80]) by endeavor.med.nyu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA259987; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 10:20:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 10:20:48 -0400 From: Joe Grastara Subject: Re: [hangout] Interesting article on Valenti in this months Business2.0. In-reply-to: To: Steve Milo , hangout-at-nylxs.com Message-id: <2147483647.1062498048-at-[10.165.7.80]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.0.3 (Mac OS X) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline References: Sender: owner-hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Joe Grastara List: New Yorker GNU Linux Scene Admin: To unsubscribe send unsubscribe name-at-domian.com in the body to hangout-request-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com X-Keywords: X-UID: 15347 Status: RO Content-Length: 1962 Lines: 70
--On Friday, August 29, 2003 6:24 PM -0400 Steve Milo wrote:
> > The article is titled Who Speaks for Tech. > > Valenti is quoted as saying: "No Kingdom, no empire, no monarchy, no > republic will endure unless its citizens are under a canopy of a sturdy > moral compact -- and history is replete with the dry bleached bones of > prior enterprises that have neglected that lesson". > > First, I thought this country was a democracy? Or am I wrong?
You are wrong. The U.S. Government on some level a Republic with some democratically elected public representation. These days we are in fact more like an empire.
> > Second, the first three examples do not belong in the same league as the > last one he cited.
Nearly all governments responsible for a sufficiently large amount of people end up converging in their appearance over time.
> > Third, there is a reason those three examples he used have not > survived to this day. > Because they all were designed to keep the citizens under the > thumb of a single ruler that was chosen arbitrarily.
Rulers were never and are not chosen arbitrarily.
> Those systems were designed to keep the citizens ignorant, ill and > dependant on a welfare system that was distributed as deemed fit by the > ruler. Not unlike socialism/communism. > Or am I wrong?
You are wrong. Don't be so idealistic. Take a look at what is happening in this country.
> > Is it my imagination or is Valenti a seriously mentally disturbed > indiviudual?
It's your imagination.
> > Steve M > > > ____________________________ > NYLXS: New Yorker Free Software Users Scene > Fair Use - > because it's either fair use or useless.... > NYLXS is a trademark of NYLXS, Inc
Joe Grastara Systems Administrator NYU School of Medicine
____________________________ NYLXS: New Yorker Free Software Users Scene Fair Use - because it's either fair use or useless.... NYLXS is a trademark of NYLXS, Inc
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