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From: Ruben I Safir
Subject: Re: [hangout] Documents and Audiences
Ray Connolly at "May 9, 2002 11:48:19 am"
To: Ray Connolly
Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 12:04:36 -0400 (EDT)
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> -I think it's more than that. It's an excellent factual analogy that carries
> too much weight to be limited to an interoffice memo. Others feel the same
> since they took the time to offer to proof and post it. You've struck a
> chord here Rube, let's run with it.
I first wrote that analogy 3 years ago. We've come a long way since then
and we've learned a lot since that time.
The scope of the DRM issue is too broad to bring to the public as it
is presented in the original document. We know this from going door
to door and ringing door bells.
Our last campain was "save the libraires". As a work, the original message
which was sent is most effective for people already involved or already
thinking about the broader issues. When going door to door, one area
needs to be focused on and bullet pointed, in an broad educational
campain for the public, until everyone understands the basic priniciples
to the threat to libraries, education, the economy and privacy.
This is but ONE of about 30 writings a week on this issue by NY Fair Use
and myself particularly. The boat is already out of the doc, jump on
> >> Ruben has stated that
> >> he intended this to be an 'in-house' document and that's perfectly fine.
> >It's a reply to RMS and others, and it serves as a point by point road map
> >for positive political activity which I'm advocating. It's target is those
> >people already interested and somewhat informed on the issues, and attempts
> >to outline a correction in the current efforts to defend digital
> -It's original pupose was the reply but it has taken on more substance
> because it is a solid argument. Again, we should build on that not limit it
> to the 'it's a reply to...' aspect.
> >> I would suggest however, that ANYTHING intended for the general
> >> (the constituents) must be extremely dumbed-down.
> >Such efforts are part of the result of adoption of the methods outlined
> >in the bouchner response letter to RMS
> -While I agree they are part of the result I still feel we need to
> consciously construct marketing materials aimed at the common layperson.
> Pls let me know if I am misocnstruing any or all of your points.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ruben I Safir [mailto:ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 11:12 AM
> To: Ray Connolly
> Cc: 'nylxs'
> Subject: Re: [hangout] Documents and Audiences
> > "We need to broaden our constituents",
> Is the statement of an organizational goal.
> > and by using the
> > ATM analogy I felt it was trying to show an everyday example how corps
> > the public in a way everyday common folk will easily relate to
> Which is an example to explain our position in an interoffice memo
> > Ruben has stated that
> > he intended this to be an 'in-house' document and that's perfectly fine.
> It's a reply to RMS and others, and it serves as a point by point road map
> for positive political activity which I'm advocating. It's target is those
> people already interested and somewhat informed on the issues, and attempts
> to outline a correction in the current efforts to defend digital information
> > would suggest however, that ANYTHING intended for the general population
> > (the constituents) must be extremely dumbed-down. i
> Such efforts are part of the result of adoption of the methods outlined
> in the bouchner response letter to RMS.
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