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MESSAGE
DATE 2002-02-15
FROM Seth Johnson
SUBJECT Subject: [hangout] Why Should Governments use MS Products?



(Forwarded from POLITECH list)

-------- Original Message --------
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 11:02:04 -0400
From: Declan McCullagh

*********

Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 10:49:30 -0400
From: "\"Robin \\\"Roblimo\\\" Miller\""
To: declan-at-well.com
Subject: Re: FC: Microsoft allies reply to
dead-people-writing-letters
story

Re: Citizens Against Government Waste and Citizens for a
Sound Economy's reactions to their pro-Microsoft
letter-writing campaigns...

Dear Declan:

Assuming Citizens Against Government Waste [CAGW] and
Citizens for a Sound Economy [CSE] are not corporate shills,
but honest grassroots groups true to their names, I'm sure
they're at least as interested in lobbying for more
efficient use of their members' tax dollars in government
computer hardware and software purchasing as in the
comparatively minor amounts state attorneys general and the
US DoJ have spent persecuting Microsoft.

Our federal, state and local governments collectively waste
hundreds of billions of dollars worth of taxpayers' money
every year on overpriced, insecure, and hardware-inefficient
proprietary software and computer operating systems while
free or low-cost open source alternatives are readily
available.

It is possible that CAGW and CSE aren't aware of these
alternatives or how they can be put to practical use in
government offices. I'm sure that once they and their
organizations' members are aware of just how much tax money
can be saved by choosing the most cost-effective software
available instead of blindly buying from the companies with
the biggest marketing budgets, they will start deluging
elected and appointed government officials with mail and
phone calls begging them to change the way they buy computer
hardware and software.

I hereby give Mr. Schatz and Mr. Beckner permission to
reprint the following article, unaltered, on their
organizations' Web sites or in any newsletters or magazines
their groups publish. The City of Largo, Florida (motto:
"City of Progess"), the subject of this story, is probably
spending less money per employee on computer systems than
almost any other government in North America. Others should
follow their lead, and I look forward to working with CAGW
and CSE to help make this happen.

Article URL:
http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=01/08/10/1441239

- Robin "Roblimo" Miller
Editor in Chief, OSDN
http://www.osdn.com

**********

Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 22:37:33 -0700
To: declan-at-well.com
From: "A.Lizard"
Subject: Re: FC: Microsoft allies reply to
dead-people-writing-letters
story
In-Reply-To:
<5.0.2.1.0.20010825235231.021527d0-at-mail.well.com>

Would there be any "grassroots activism" if MS and allied
companies weren't pumping money into the process?

If I were a MS stockholder, I'd be more than a little
concerned that the company's PR dollars are going to
"independent organizations" that either can't tell the
difference between grassroots and astroturf or think that
the average politech reader can't.

A.Lizard

**********

From: "RV Head" <4whp-at-home.com>
To:
Subject: Re: Microsoft allies reply to
dead-people-writing-letters story
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 00:16:33 -0400

Yeah, there's a groundswell of public suport for Mickey$oft,
just like there was massive support for Mayor-for-life Daley
in Chicago, and just like there's no monopoly in the OS
market, and just like that monopoly has not been leveraged
to create another monopoly in the browser market.

Microsoft is a serial criminal, and it's obvious that
they've no intention of changing their Evil Ways; indeed
perhaps even a Structural Remedy which requires Bill to take
the OS and Paul to take Apps or vice versa will not stop
them from their illegal activity.

It is no longer a question of /whether/ they broke the law -
Judge Jackson heard MONTHS of testimony and he found the
evidence to be OVERWHELMING that MS has abused its OS
monopoly to extend into other areas.

Oh, well.

**********

So they activate >1 mil members and supporters, and 400
letters ensue? Seems the public has whispered its protest!

PS - if the two organizations are not connected, I assume
the texts of letters originating from them were very
different... correct?

You may quote any part of the above if you insist - but
please do not attribute.

A fellow journalist

**********

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  117. 2002-02-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Moglin Discussion at LWE - Future of the GPL
  118. 2002-02-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux One Class
  119. 2002-02-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux One Class
  120. 2002-02-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software in Government
  121. 2002-02-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software in Government
  122. 2002-02-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: [wwwac] What is a open source alternative to MS. Access [dfassoc-at-bway.net]
  123. 2002-02-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: [wwwac] What is a open source alternative to MS. Access [dfassoc-at-bway.net]
  124. 2002-02-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fallout of LWE - Things we need to follow up on
  125. 2002-02-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fallout of LWE - Things we need to follow up on
  126. 2002-02-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [wwwac] Geek moment - Star Wars exhibit coming to Brooklyn [biteme-at-spamcop.net]
  127. 2002-02-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [wwwac] Geek moment - Star Wars exhibit coming to Brooklyn [biteme-at-spamcop.net]
  128. 2002-02-02 Peter Lehrer <pl-at-eskimo.com> Re: [hangout] using GNOME with Window Maker
  129. 2002-02-01 Peter Lehrer <pl-at-eskimo.com> Subject: [hangout] using GNOME with Window Maker
  130. 2002-02-01 From: <joeg-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] Check this out
  131. 2002-02-01 Daniel Stringfield <dstringfield-at-arsenaldigital.com> RE: [hangout] Check this out
  132. 2002-02-01 From: <joeg-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Check this out

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