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MESSAGE
DATE 2002-02-02
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Subject: [hangout] Moglin Discussion at LWE - Future of the GPL

After giving it much consideration, I'm really concerned about the
potential extention of the GPL to include private use of non-released
extenssions, of GPLed software which is made available for use to the
public through an application server.

This is just the kind of fears businesses most worry about when
using GPLed software. Here is the gist of the problem as I see it.


MYEASYBANK coperation uses GPLed software and alters the code
for improvement. They use it to run their ATM network, and Bank
Machines. The bank NEVER has an intention to release the code,
or it's changes, and would never use the GPLed software if they
thought that it's use would cause them to be legally obliged to
release the coding extenssions which they made to the software.

According to Moglin, this sort of use is being considered to be
included as a form 'distribution' of the program. He also is
considering that copyright itself might legally come to define
this as distributution.

In either case, IMO, the private parties choosing Free Software
must be protected from this kind of unforseen events. I have not
seen any argument that persuades that including these forms of
distribution will enhance the liberty of the software base, or the
individuals who depend on code for practice.

I'm open to change my mind, but I don't even see any reason for
considering exending the source code release protections to this
extent, which would extend it so far, as to erode the 4th ammendment
property rights of indivuals, forgetting even the corperate issues.

The GPL, ubnder this condition, would reach into my machine and
force exposure, just like the DMCA.

Maybe someone smarter than me can explain why I'm wrong?




Ruben


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  1. 2002-02-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] SNA Borough Hall Proposal
  2. 2002-02-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Entity-Relationship Modeling Software
  3. 2002-02-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Entity-Relationship Modeling Software
  4. 2002-02-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Entity-Relationship Modeling Software
  5. 2002-02-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Borough Hall Proposal
  6. 2002-02-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Borough Hall Proposal
  7. 2002-02-27 From: "News" <news-at-impact-it.net> Subject: [hangout] Entity-Relationship Modeling Software
  8. 2002-02-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Borough Hall Proposal
  9. 2002-02-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Borough Hall Proposal
  10. 2002-02-27 From: "News" <news-at-impact-it.net> RE: [hangout] teach a 9 year old to program...
  11. 2002-02-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: teach a 9 year old to program... [edw-at-q5comm.com]
  12. 2002-02-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYACC
  13. 2002-02-27 David Katz <omnimath-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] NYACC
  14. 2002-02-27 alex-at-pilosoft.com Re: [hangout] SNA Borough Hall Proposal
  15. 2002-02-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Hearing on this issue?
  16. 2002-02-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: NYACC (fwd)
  17. 2002-02-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] When does Linux 1 end?
  18. 2002-02-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] When does Linux 1 end?
  19. 2002-02-26 From: <mconti-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fw: [nylug-talk] School Project help
  20. 2002-02-26 From: <mconti-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fw: [nylug-talk] School Project help
  21. 2002-02-26 Jonathan Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> FAQ (was Re: [hangout] CAN SOMEONE REPLY Fwd: Linux Classes/NYLXS membership [RConnolly-at-natsource.com])
  22. 2002-02-25 Paul =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rodr=EDguez?= <sangrelinux-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] upcoming classes
  23. 2002-02-25 Jonathan Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] Fw: [nylug-talk] School Project help
  24. 2002-02-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NY Times Electronic aVersion
  25. 2002-02-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [suse-security-announce] SuSE Security Announcement: cups (SuSE-SA:2002:005) [thomas-at-suse.de]
  26. 2002-02-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Foreign Countries Switching
  27. 2002-02-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Foreign Countries Switching
  28. 2002-02-24 From: "News" <news-at-impact-it.net> Subject: [hangout] Foreign Countries Switching
  29. 2002-02-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Training Provider Information
  30. 2002-02-23 Jonathan Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] upcoming classes
  31. 2002-02-22 Jonathan Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] flyers
  32. 2002-02-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Real Estate
  33. 2002-02-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYACC, NYU Space
  34. 2002-02-21 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Brooklyn Borough Hall Groupware/Collaboration
  35. 2002-02-21 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Friday 22 February 2002: J. T. S. Moore's Documentary about GNU/Linux
  36. 2002-02-21 From: <mconti-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Training Provider Information
  37. 2002-02-21 From: <mconti-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NY State funds for training
  38. 2002-02-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Washington DC
  39. 2002-02-17 Paul =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rodr=EDguez?= <sangrelinux-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] Washington DC
  40. 2002-02-15 From: <mconti-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Washington D.C. trip
  41. 2002-02-15 From: <mconti-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Washington D.C. trip
  42. 2002-02-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Infinity Conference Room [DBrightman-at-infinitygroup.com]
  43. 2002-02-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Infinity Conference Room [DBrightman-at-infinitygroup.com]
  44. 2002-02-15 Seth Johnson <seth.johnson-at-RealMeasures.dyndns.org> Subject: [hangout] Governments Push Open-Source Software
  45. 2002-02-15 Seth Johnson <seth.johnson-at-RealMeasures.dyndns.org> Subject: [hangout] Why Should Governments use MS Products?
  46. 2002-02-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Installfest at Joes
  47. 2002-02-15 Kevin Milani <news-at-impact-it.net> Subject: [hangout] Selling the Linux Concept
  48. 2002-02-15 Kevin Milani <news-at-impact-it.net> Subject: [hangout] Selling the Linux Concept
  49. 2002-02-15 Seth Johnson <seth.johnson-at-RealMeasures.dyndns.org> Subject: [hangout] Linux: Save Government Million$
  50. 2002-02-15 Seth Johnson <seth.johnson-at-RealMeasures.dyndns.org> Subject: [hangout] Linux: Save Government Million$
  51. 2002-02-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: Fw: [hangout] Re: I want to help with Brooklyn Borough Hall "wiring"
  52. 2002-02-15 Kevin Milani <kevin-at-impact-it.net> Subject: [hangout] Brooklyn Borough Hall
  53. 2002-02-15 Kevin Milani <kevin-at-impact-it.net> Subject: [hangout] Brooklyn Borough Hall
  54. 2002-02-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Workers Career Center
  55. 2002-02-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] Workers Career Center
  56. 2002-02-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] Workers Career Center
  57. 2002-02-15 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] Workers Career Center
  58. 2002-02-15 Kevin Milani <news-at-impact-it.net> Re: [hangout] Workers Career Center
  59. 2002-02-15 Kevin Milani <news-at-impact-it.net> Re: [hangout] Workers Career Center
  60. 2002-02-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Workers Career Center
  61. 2002-02-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Unions and Free Software
  62. 2002-02-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Unions and Free Software
  63. 2002-02-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Non-Profit Computing
  64. 2002-02-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Non-Profit Computing
  65. 2002-02-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Workers Career Center
  66. 2002-02-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Workers Career Center
  67. 2002-02-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Distance Learning
  68. 2002-02-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Distance Learning
  69. 2002-02-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Workers Career Center
  70. 2002-02-15 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [hangout] Is this map correct? (Installfest)
  71. 2002-02-09 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: new member [perun242-at-earthlink.net]
  72. 2002-02-07 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [hangout] Open Source in Gov't
  73. 2002-02-07 David Katz <omnimath-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] [manuel-at-stjohnsprepschool.org: [nylug-talk] Please
  74. 2002-02-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Perl 1 Class Location
  75. 2002-02-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Perl 1 Class Location
  76. 2002-02-07 Jon Bober <bober-at-acm.cs.nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] apt-get error
  77. 2002-02-07 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] connecting a palm pilot to a desktop
  78. 2002-02-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The excessive NY Linux Group
  79. 2002-02-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The excessive NY Linux Group
  80. 2002-02-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Marcus Conti - Please check in
  81. 2002-02-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Marcus Conti - Please check in
  82. 2002-02-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Membership Committee
  83. 2002-02-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Membership Committee
  84. 2002-02-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We're going to Washington. Meeting announcement
  85. 2002-02-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We're going to Washington. Meeting announcement
  86. 2002-02-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] OK - It's official
  87. 2002-02-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] OK - It's official
  88. 2002-02-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] We're going to Washington. Meeting announcement
  89. 2002-02-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] We're going to Washington. Meeting announcement
  90. 2002-02-06 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux 1 Class paid student list
  91. 2002-02-06 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux 1 Class paid student list
  92. 2002-02-06 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylxs-announce] ANNOUNCEMENT - Washignton DC Trip
  93. 2002-02-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Reality Check for me, please [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  94. 2002-02-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Cell Phone
  95. 2002-02-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Cell Phone
  96. 2002-02-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] connecting a palm pilot to a desktop
  97. 2002-02-06 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Reality Check for me, please
  98. 2002-02-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Reality Check for me, please [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  99. 2002-02-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Reality Check for me, please [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  100. 2002-02-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Learning Linux [lakshmi_nj-at-yahoo.com]
  101. 2002-02-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Learning Linux [lakshmi_nj-at-yahoo.com]
  102. 2002-02-05 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] mysql success
  103. 2002-02-05 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Machines for Linux 1 Class
  104. 2002-02-05 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Machines for Linux 1 Class
  105. 2002-02-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] List of Users who need machines
  106. 2002-02-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] List of Users who need machines
  107. 2002-02-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FAIRUSE MEETING TONITE
  108. 2002-02-04 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] LinuxWorld Expo
  109. 2002-02-04 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] mysql help
  110. 2002-02-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Attention Chairmen
  111. 2002-02-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Moglin Discussion at LWE - Future of the GPL
  112. 2002-02-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Moglin Discussion at LWE - Future of the GPL
  113. 2002-02-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] What is a open source alternative to MS. Access [dfassoc-at-bway.net]
  114. 2002-02-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Moglin Discussion at LWE - Future of the GPL
  115. 2002-02-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Moglin Discussion at LWE - Future of the GPL
  116. 2002-02-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Moglin Discussion at LWE - Future of the GPL
  117. 2002-02-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Moglin Discussion at LWE - Future of the GPL
  118. 2002-02-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux One Class
  119. 2002-02-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux One Class
  120. 2002-02-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software in Government
  121. 2002-02-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software in Government
  122. 2002-02-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: [wwwac] What is a open source alternative to MS. Access [dfassoc-at-bway.net]
  123. 2002-02-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: [wwwac] What is a open source alternative to MS. Access [dfassoc-at-bway.net]
  124. 2002-02-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fallout of LWE - Things we need to follow up on
  125. 2002-02-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fallout of LWE - Things we need to follow up on
  126. 2002-02-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [wwwac] Geek moment - Star Wars exhibit coming to Brooklyn [biteme-at-spamcop.net]
  127. 2002-02-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [wwwac] Geek moment - Star Wars exhibit coming to Brooklyn [biteme-at-spamcop.net]
  128. 2002-02-02 Peter Lehrer <pl-at-eskimo.com> Re: [hangout] using GNOME with Window Maker
  129. 2002-02-01 Peter Lehrer <pl-at-eskimo.com> Subject: [hangout] using GNOME with Window Maker
  130. 2002-02-01 From: <joeg-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] Check this out
  131. 2002-02-01 Daniel Stringfield <dstringfield-at-arsenaldigital.com> RE: [hangout] Check this out
  132. 2002-02-01 From: <joeg-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Check this out

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