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MESSAGE
DATE 2001-10-16
FROM Matthew Hirsch
SUBJECT Subject: [hangout] attack on opensource, attack on economy?
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Hello all,
Please excuse this really off the cuff commentary, I know
that somebody can do a much better job than me.
Has anybody yet written up an article somewhere that was comparing
the issues on the attack of opensource with the current downturn of
the economy?

I wonder if there is any possible linking things saying that
well since according to the SPA there are trillions of dollars
worth of stolen software and tonns of music also being stolen
>From one perspective it looks like MS, and the music industry
are winning the battle to make sure that software will
not be stolen and that music will not be stolen....

Is it possible that the entire econmy has been going full bore because
of all this "theft"? How many computers where bought and used that wouldn't
have if there was no possiblity of using the software for free.
(and then used the software to build companies to really gun the economy)
ex: how large is the mp3 player industry currently (or was it before the
death of napster for free?)

I am not sure that this is reality... It might be intresting to find out if
anybody has done an indepth analysis.

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  1. 2001-10-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Proposed Constitution TEMPLATE
  2. 2001-10-31 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Comments on Proposed Constitution
  3. 2001-10-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Total Registration
  4. 2001-10-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] 3 more registers for the perl course
  5. 2001-10-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] "Wes Boyd": War Profiteering
  6. 2001-10-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Proposed Constitution TEMPLATE
  7. 2001-10-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [wwwac] How Linux saved Amazon millions [scott-at-granneman.com]
  8. 2001-10-30 From: "John F. Moore" <john-at-lions-wing.net> Subject: [hangout] "Wes Boyd": War Profiteering
  9. 2001-10-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Finances
  10. 2001-10-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] ANNOUNCEMENT - Special NYLXS Inservice Tech Lecture
  11. 2001-10-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Linux distribution for Toshiba Libretto
  12. 2001-10-30 joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com Re:[hangout] Linux distribution for Toshiba Libretto
  13. 2001-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Congress is burning it's mail
  14. 2001-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Our new allies, Syrian, Sudan, and Libia
  15. 2001-10-29 Vadim Berezniker <vadim-at-berezniker.com> Re: [hangout] teaching perl: testing scripts
  16. 2001-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Brooklyn Tech Technology and Free Software (as in Linux)
  17. 2001-10-29 Vadim Berezniker <vadim-at-berezniker.com> Re: [hangout] teaching perl: testing scripts
  18. 2001-10-29 Abdele Darius Sabre <randombeeps-at-yahoo.com> RE: [hangout] Linux distribution for Toshiba Libretto
  19. 2001-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Installfeast Announcement
  20. 2001-10-29 Vadim Berezniker <vadim-at-berezniker.com> Re: [hangout] teaching perl: testing scripts
  21. 2001-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Linux distribution for Toshiba Libretto
  22. 2001-10-29 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Linux distribution for Toshiba Libretto
  23. 2001-10-29 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Linux distribution for Toshiba Libretto
  24. 2001-10-29 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Linux distribution for Toshiba Libretto
  25. 2001-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] teaching perl: testing scripts
  26. 2001-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] teaching perl: testing scripts
  27. 2001-10-29 Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux distribution for Toshiba Libretto
  28. 2001-10-29 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-mail.rm-cpa.com> RE: [hangout] Linux distribution for Toshiba Libretto
  29. 2001-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Kernel Security alerts
  30. 2001-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] openssh - key based authentication
  31. 2001-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] openssh - key based authentication
  32. 2001-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] Linux says my 80GB drive is full, and it ain't
  33. 2001-10-29 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] [wwwac] Linux says my 80GB drive is full, and it ain't (fwd)
  34. 2001-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] News Archieve
  35. 2001-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Responding to The Agenda
  36. 2001-10-29 Abdele Darius Sabre <randombeeps-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] Proposed Constitution TEMPLATE
  37. 2001-10-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Proposed Constitution TEMPLATE
  38. 2001-10-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Interesting Site
  39. 2001-10-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Programmer Exposes Microsoft Digital Management Flaws
  40. 2001-10-26 Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fair USe Canvassing
  41. 2001-10-26 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Statically linked Redhat
  42. 2001-10-26 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Statically linked Redhat
  43. 2001-10-26 Abdele Darius Sabre <randombeeps-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] Statically linked Redhat
  44. 2001-10-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Statically linked Redhat
  45. 2001-10-26 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] New York City Noon Monday 29 October 2001: Rally to Free Dmitry
  46. 2001-10-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Updating old Linux Counter accounts
  47. 2001-10-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Perl Course Announcement at NYLXS
  48. 2001-10-25 Ari Jort <arijort-at-valinux.com> Re: [hangout] Anti-Western and Extremist Views Pervade Saudi Schools
  49. 2001-10-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Charter Meeting
  50. 2001-10-24 Abdele Darius Sabre <randombeeps-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] Responding to The Agenda
  51. 2001-10-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Responding to The Agenda
  52. 2001-10-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Fw: November Tech Meetings
  53. 2001-10-24 From: "News" <news-at-impact-it.net> Subject: [hangout] Responding to The Agenda
  54. 2001-10-24 Ari Jort <arijort-at-valinux.com> Re: [hangout] Anti-Western and Extremist Views Pervade Saudi Schools
  55. 2001-10-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Starting Agenda
  56. 2001-10-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Anti_free Software
  57. 2001-10-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [wwwac] Good Approach to a MySQL database [wwwac-at-focazio.com]
  58. 2001-10-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FTC begged to ensure consmer rights
  59. 2001-10-23 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] [wwwac] The Alley Responds--Silicon Alley Station live wedcast today
  60. 2001-10-23 Jeanne Edna Thelwell <thelwell-at-mindspring.com> Re: [hangout] Friendly words from our Muslim friends...
  61. 2001-10-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Friendly words from our Muslim friends...
  62. 2001-10-23 Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Friendly words from our Muslim friends...
  63. 2001-10-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [wwwac] Volunteers needed for the Financial Technology Conference and Expo - 10/23-25 [scott-at-wwwac.org]
  64. 2001-10-22 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] New York City Noon Monday 22 October 2001: Rally to Free Dmitry
  65. 2001-10-22 Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux 2.4 NAT HOWTO: Quick Translation From 2.0 and 2.2 Kernels
  66. 2001-10-20 Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Anti-Western and Extremist Views Pervade Saudi Schools
  67. 2001-10-19 Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] New York Linux Scene - First Meeting [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  68. 2001-10-19 Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] 2nd Important Announcement on Copyright and Fairuse
  69. 2001-10-19 Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Important Copyright/Fair Use Rally Announcment
  70. 2001-10-17 Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Bio Terrorism
  71. 2001-10-17 From: "J.E. Cripps" <cycmn-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Bio Terrorism
  72. 2001-10-17 Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] Jakob Nielsen on how Apple blew it, how Linux will blow it, and the Next Big Thing. (fwd)
  73. 2001-10-17 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] Jakob Nielsen on how Apple blew it, how Linux will blow
  74. 2001-10-17 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Time and Place of first meeting
  75. 2001-10-17 Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] web site content management
  76. 2001-10-16 Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Bio Terrorism
  77. 2001-10-16 Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Oct 23 - good meeting date
  78. 2001-10-16 Ruth Shanen <casandra-at-ix.netcom.com> Subject: [hangout] Oct 23 - good meeting date
  79. 2001-10-16 Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [RHSA-2001:132-03] New util-linux packages available to fix /bin/login
  80. 2001-10-16 Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] RIAA Computer Warfare
  81. 2001-10-16 Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] attack on opensource, attack on economy?
  82. 2001-10-16 Matthew Hirsch <mph-at-dorsai.org> Subject: [hangout] attack on opensource, attack on economy?
  83. 2001-10-16 Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Setup of Free Swan - Authentication Troubles (fwd)
  84. 2001-10-15 Abdele Darius Sabre <randombeeps-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] Sent to me - I send to you
  85. 2001-10-15 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Time and Place of first meeting
  86. 2001-10-15 Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [fairuse] Record Industry wants legal access to your computer
  87. 2001-10-15 Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Record Industry wants legal access to your computer
  88. 2001-10-15 Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Time and Place of first meeting
  89. 2001-10-15 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Time and Place of first meeting
  90. 2001-10-15 From: "Sean Auriti" <sean-at-ekaboo.com> Re: [hangout] Time and Place of first meeting
  91. 2001-10-15 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Time and Place of first meeting
  92. 2001-10-15 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Time and Place of first meeting
  93. 2001-10-15 Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Time and Place of first meeting
  94. 2001-10-14 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] New York City Noon Monday 15 October 2001: Rally to Free Dmitry
  95. 2001-10-13 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Computer Security Division Activities
  96. 2001-10-12 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Peaceful demonstrations in Pakistan
  97. 2001-10-12 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Peaceful demonstrations in Pakistan
  98. 2001-10-12 Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Peaceful demonstrations in Pakistan
  99. 2001-10-12 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Install Feast in Brooklyn
  100. 2001-10-12 Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Time Flys Bye
  101. 2001-10-12 Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Install Feast in Brooklyn
  102. 2001-10-11 Ruth Shanen <casandra-at-ix.netcom.com> Re: [hangout] Time and Place of first meeting
  103. 2001-10-11 Ruth Shanen <casandra-at-ix.netcom.com> Re: [hangout] definition of TheLinuxSociety [ was:Organizational planning]
  104. 2001-10-11 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Subject: [hangout] Re: ON bot to go out
  105. 2001-10-11 Matthew Hirsch <mph-at-dorsai.org> Subject: [hangout] ON bot to go out
  106. 2001-10-11 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Time and Place of first meeting
  107. 2001-10-11 Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] more PHP Copyright dribbl
  108. 2001-10-11 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] more PHP Copyright dribbl
  109. 2001-10-11 Jon Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] router/RCN issues
  110. 2001-10-11 Jon Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] more PHP Copyright dribbl
  111. 2001-10-10 Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] more PHP Copyright dribbl
  112. 2001-10-10 Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Time and Place of first meeting
  113. 2001-10-10 Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Organizational planning
  114. 2001-10-08 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] Re: your mail
  115. 2001-10-08 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: your mail
  116. 2001-10-08 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] Re: your mail
  117. 2001-10-08 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Subject: [hangout] Re: your mail
  118. 2001-10-08 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] billy's key redux.
  119. 2001-10-08 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] billy's key redux.
  120. 2001-10-07 Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: PHP Convention or the likee: PHP Convention or the like
  121. 2001-10-07 Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout]
  122. 2001-10-07 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net>
  123. 2001-10-07 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net>
  124. 2001-10-07 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] PGP - - - speaking of pgp
  125. 2001-10-07 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net>
  126. 2001-10-07 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net>
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