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MESSAGE
DATE 2003-09-11
FROM Joe Grastara
SUBJECT Re: [hangout] Interesting article on Valenti in this months



--On Thursday, September 4, 2003 8:37 PM -0400 Steve Milo
wrote:

>
>
>
> On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, Joe Grastara wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> --On Thursday, September 4, 2003 5:21 PM -0400 Steve Milo
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, Joe Grastara wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --On Wednesday, September 3, 2003 11:11 PM -0400 Steve Milo
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, Steve Milo wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, Joe Grastara wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > --On Tuesday, September 2, 2003 7:19 PM -0400 Steve Milo
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Joe Grastara wrote:
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> --On Friday, August 29, 2003 6:24 PM -0400 Steve Milo
>> >> >> > >> wrote:
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> > >> > The article is titled Who Speaks for Tech.
>> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> > >> > Valenti is quoted as saying: "No Kingdom, no empire, no
>> >> >> > >> > monarchy, no republic will endure unless its citizens are
>> >> >> > >> > under a canopy of a sturdy moral compact -- and history is
>> >> >> > >> > replete with the dry bleached bones of prior enterprises
>> >> >> > >> > that have neglected that lesson".
>> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> > >> > First, I thought this country was a democracy? Or am I
>> >> >> > >> > wrong?
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> You are wrong. The U.S. Government on some level a Republic
>> >> >> > >> with some democratically elected public representation.
>> >> >> > >> These days we are in fact more like an empire.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > No I'm not and you just proved so yourself that on some level
>> >> >> > > we are still a democracy. Unlike plenty of wanna be empires
>> >> >> > > that were not democratic on any level.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > History is replete with governments that failed because of the
>> >> >> > > chokehold self-interested parties had on it. Even communist
>> >> >> > > russia is an example of how it was manipulated by
>> >> >> > > selfinterested parties. Everyone in that system wanted a piece
>> >> >> > > of that action so much that it stifled innovation. Or atleast
>> >> >> > > the proliferation of it. In the 60's they laughed at the US
>> >> >> > > for attempting to create what we today call the internet.
>> >> >> > > Shit, they even lauged at the US for trying to put men on the
>> >> >> > > moon and bringing them back. But its obvious who won in the
>> >> >> > > end.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> > >> > Second, the first three examples do not belong in the same
>> >> >> > >> > league as the last one he cited.
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> Nearly all governments responsible for a sufficiently large
>> >> >> > >> amount of people end up converging in their appearance over
>> >> >> > >> time.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Yes, but a monarchy is not a republic.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Don't get caught up in technical definitions. You can call
>> >> >> > anything by any name you wish, but it doesn't change what the
>> >> >> > thing is.
>> >> >
>> >> > Right, a rose by any other name...
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> > >> > Third, there is a reason those three examples he used have
>> >> >> > >> > not survived to this day.
>> >> >> > >> > Because they all were designed to keep the citizens under
>> >> >> > >> > the thumb of a single ruler that was chosen arbitrarily.
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> Rulers were never and are not chosen arbitrarily.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Youre right, even communist russia had a system for choosing
>> >> >> > > their leaders. But it wasn't by, for or with the people.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Dude, are you kidding. Do you really think our leaders are
>> >> >> > chosen by, for or with the people; certainly not the president.
>> >> >> > Our Presidential electoral system was blatantly designed to
>> >> >> > minimize the weight of the people's preference in the overall
>> >> >> > outcome of the election. Forget the actually election, you only
>> >> >> > need to look at the corrupt primary system to see that electing
>> >> >> > a president is not about accurately capturing public choice, but
>> >> >> > about a battle between two parties more interested in furthering
>> >> >> > their own power not for the sake of representing the public but
>> >> >> > for multiplying their personal wealth.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Yes, its called the collegate electoral vote, something I learned in
>> >> > Junior High School. It is a system that is designed to simplify the
>> >> > election process while at the same time maintain somekind of
>> >> > integirty. Yes, I used the clause 'somekind of integrity' because
>> >> > in real world choices arent as binary as computers. Its a system
>> >> > that was designed from the start to offer the 'best possible
>> >> > choice' or 'the least worst'. More so to minimize the strain on the
>> >> > system that is created by the choice afforded to the American
>> >> > people than to minimize it. The system allows the growth and
>> >> > prosperity that this
>> >> > country has enjoyed for the last 200 years.
>> >> > It works, despite what cynics would have people believe.
>> >>
>> >> Just because the means are effective doesn't make the ends desirable.
>> >> That is you're right, our presidential electoral system does "work".
>> >> It's just that it isn't designed to accurately capture the preferences
>> >> of the voters. It works to keep the people out of the equation as much
>> >> as possible while still making them feel like real participants. In
>> >> fact the people are more like spectators at a sporting event. Despite
>> >> the propaganda that you were spoon fed in Junior High School, (which
>> >> is obvious based on your "Great Man" History Textbook definition of
>> >> the Electoral College) there are plenty of data to suggest that the
>> >> electoral system does a poor job of capturing public choice. Take the
>> >> 2000 election as an example; Polls taken during the Primaries
>> >> indicated that McCain was the most favored candidate of something
>> >> like 60% of the people, when pitted against both Bush and Gore. Of
>> >> course the events of the actual election demonstrated that neither
>> >> Bush nor Gore had the overwhelming support of the voters. What ended
>> >> up happening in Florida was probably a genuine coup. But it was the
>> >> result of system failure. This is of course only one example there
>> >> are plenty more. There more you study our electoral system the more
>> >> you realize how inadequate it is.
>> >
>> > No, the system works the means are effective the information is flawed.
>> > Bush was able to gain the upper hand over McCain because the Bush camp
>> > floated a rumor that McCain was anti-womens rights. Despite McCains
>> > efforts to overcome that propoganda popular opinion was swayed into the
>> > Bush camp. Further Bush capitalized on that by persuading McCain to
>> > walk away and for his effforts McCain would be given what he really
>> > wanted. A chance to 'clean up the system'. Had McCain stayed in and
>> > fought it out it would have cost him millions more in money to counter
>> > the propoganda. By the way it wasnt Bush personally who was
>> > responsible for that propoganda. You can thank the 'genious' of Karl
>> > Rove for that. Further, the 2000 elections show what happens when a
>> > third party is introduced. Which is just popular enough to sway a
>> > percentage of the voters from Democratic camp. Then use the fallout
>> > as an attempt to call the system a 'failure', but not enough to
>> > actually win the presidential election. That isnt to say that the
>> > system doesnt need 'tweaking', but radical calls for change rarely
>> > work.
>> >
>> > If anything failed it is the media, at the same time we were too
>> > complacent. We bought into the propoganda thanks in large part to the
>> > media. But thats the media and they were 'just doing their job'. The
>> > job of the American people is to be able to take a step back
>> > from the propoganda and make an intelligent decision.
>> > Even though we are given that opportunity we have become too
>> > complacent to actually excersize it.
>> > Thats not to say that the American people arent capable of making an
>> > intelligent choice. That is to say that media failed to provide the
>> > public with 'e*en $nd bala#ced r3porting'.
>> >
>> > And I dont need no Junior High School text book to tell me that.
>> > By the same token, perhaps you should stop believing everything the
>> > news tells you.
>>
>> I am not regurgitating the news. The news is the last place in this
>> country to look for reliable information or analysis.
>
> You had brought up the 2000 election as an example. The 2000 election was
> the poster child of people who complained about how 'Bush
> won/lost/stole/earned/' the election. The bottom line is shit happens and
> then you move on. For all intents and purposes Bush will probably win in
> 2004 too. In fact I'll wager that Hillary will run in 2008 and probably
> win. She wont run in 2004 because the odds are too great, her camp will
> also try to derail the democratic candidate in 2004. She will probably
> use the current war against Bush/Repbulicans. All of this will
> further(/strengthen) the 'illusion' that the people have a choice.
>
> Is there a thing I can do about it, probably not. Am I going
> to use it as an example of how the system is 'failing' the citizens of
> this country? Nope. It will be a waste of my time and energy. Instead
> I'm going to focus on what I think I can make a difference in. Work with
> the system instead of against it. I've worked against and it hasnt
> served me, now I'll try working with the system.
>
>> The American News
>> Media offer nothing but speculation and uniformed opinions.
>
> Thats all the media does anywhere in the world is offer speculation. No
> matter where you go. The gods honest truth is that humans are capable of
> destruction that is unfathomable to 'civilized' people.
> Pick a side and stick to it, sometimes it works sometimes it doesnt.
> You can probably espouse a more eloquent philosphy that I can agree with.

I have no philosophy and therefore try not to espouse any.

>
>> I think I have
>> failed to explain what I mean. In a rigorous study of Politics as
>> apposed to just watching the news one will learn that there are numerous
>> kinds of electoral systems. The most ubiquitous one in use in this
>> country is commonly called "First Past the Post", which just means that
>> the candidate with the most (note, this means a plurality but not
>> necessarily a majority) of votes wins. This mechanism is perfectly
>> adequate to make binary decisions in a single issue space.
>
> Right, and here is where the system is based on the 'integrity' of the
> individuals. What is lacking is a way to determine that integrity, or
> more to the point the responsibility that is required to have integrity.

You are simply wrong. It has nothing to do with integrity of the
individual or the "the responsibility that is required to have integrity"
whatever that is supposed to mean. See my next comment.

>
>> By definition the candidate with the
>> most votes will also have a majority. But, in a multidimensional issue
>> space or in an election with more than two candidates our electoral
>> system is grossly inadequate. I doubt you heard anybody making this
>> point on the news.
>
> I've heard it before (thought not on the news), and I still dont buy it.

Whether or not you "buy it" is irrelevant. It is verifiable scientific
observation. It would be like saying you "don't buy" gravity or you "don't
buy" evolution. Do a Google search on "Duverger's Law". Of course in the
tradition of Modern Western Science you are invited to offer a model which
better fits the empirical data.

>
> Further, I dont watch the news.
>
>> If you did, I would love to see the reference.
>
> I dont have a reference handy, you will have to take my word when I tell
> you I've heard it before. I can thank the exchange of information we have
> available to us for that.
>

I only wanted the reference if you saw it on the news.

>> You're right in
>> pointing out that a third party can cause a fallout under our electoral
>> system. But you're missing the point. The third party isn't the
>> problem; the system is the problem. Continuing to work within the
>> system currently in place is like putting a band-aid on a gun-shot
>> wound. The American Public currently enjoys only the illusion of having
>> a saying in their Government.
>
> If I'm mistaken the way the system is designed was how it was designed
> from the very start. Oddly the only thing lacking is education of the
> system.

I agree that we aren't properly educated in the system. As to your first
statement, I have no idea what that is supposed to mean.

> Still, its not a band-aid as much as it is a system that provides
> stability while at the same time allowing for change.
> If you think I'm too idealistic you are entitled to that and to an
> extent I wont dispute it. I'm not out to change the system as much as
> I am out to protect what we have and illustrate the dangerous track
> that Congress has taken in terms of the most basic and important civil
> rights. If you can change the system for the better that suits me fine.
> But can we focus on the task at hand?
>

That is what I am trying to do.


>> This will continue to be the case until enough people
>> recognize that there are other ways of designing electoral systems (we
>> only need to look across the Atlantic for many fine examples) which are
>> far better in accurately capturing group choice.
>
> Historical evidence points to that being too risky an example to
> follow (Stalin, Hitler, Musollini, tell me if I'm
> forgetting anyone).

Please don't take this as being condescending, but you are obviously
either completely ignorant of how electoral systems/governments in other
countries operate or you are simply try to associate my suggestions which
either way you obviously don't understand with failed totalitarian regimes.


What I am trying to point out is that in countries that you may have heard
of such as France, Germany, or Italy as well as many other countries in
Europe and the entire World electoral systems different from ours are
currently used. The French for example, to elect their President have what
is called a Run-off Election. Basically this means that there are several
several rounds to the election, with candidates eliminated in each
successive round until they have a winner. Anyway this is only one of the
many, many alternative voting systems we could choose from. Our system
which tries to use the Party Primaries to reduce the number of candidates
to two often fails in doing so, as was evident in the previous Presidential
Election and many others throughout our history. When this happens as it
did in 1992 (just so you don't think I can only cite our previous election
as evidence) it often results in election results which are rather
ambiguous. In that election Bill Clinton was elected with less than a
majority of the votes. That disturbs me because we don't really know if
all things considered that's what people wanted. For example, would he
have really beat Bush (the elder) had Perot not run? Would more people have
been in support of Perot if they didn't suffer from the "Throw Away Vote"
syndrome observed in first past the post electoral systems. We don't really
know the answers to any of these questions, because our electoral systems
lacks the sophistication to convey this information.

Just to be clear, I want to re-iterate that really not much of what I am
saying is very original. It's just that none of this kind of discussion
has made it's way into mainstream media or education. You have to major in
Politics to learn any of this and even a lot of Politics programs don't
address these issues. Anyway my point is that you should do yourself a
favor and really educate yourself. The resources are there.

>
> I've heard from a few people who study at UNM that they enjoy a greater
> freedom here than they did when they were in Germany/France.

Freedom in terms of what? In and of itself that is a meaningless
statement because it is devoid of context. Please be more specific.

>
>> Again, I agree with you in your statement that the media have failed the
>> Public, but not for the same reasons. The media failed because they are
>> presenting the information that the politicians want them to.
>
> The media presents information that suits them.
>
>> So when you
>> go on about this personality in politics or whatever bullshit leverage
>> one guy used to get the other guy to drop out of a race you're getting
>> caught up in the unimportant details. This level of conversation has
>> about as much substance as the entertainment tabloids. What makes the
>> reporting shoddy is their failure to genuinely educate the public.
>> Instead every page of the paper reads like the gossip column.
>
> Right, lets not talk about how one group of people try to use their own
> hidden political agenda to derail another.

Sorry, but again I don't know what you are trying to say here.

>
>> >
>> >>
>> >> By, the way I think you are oversimplifying just a bit and just flat
>> >> wrong when you say that the electoral college is responsible for the
>> >> "growth and prosperity that this country has enjoyed for the last 200
>> >> years".
>> >
>> > That may be and I dont mean to imply that the electoral college is what
>> > has given us the means for growth and prosperity. What I am trying to
>> > illustrate is railing against a system that is clearly out of our
>> > reach is a waste of time. Instead we should concentrate on what we
>> > can change. Which brings me to the next point. Everyone is allowed to
>> > run for president in this country. The only stipulation I believe is
>> > that they have to be a natural born citizen here. Whether Jack down
>> > the block will actually win is a different story entirely. Whether I
>> > want jack down the block to run is still another matter.
>> >
>>
>> Just as a technical point in order to run for the office of President of
>> the United States a candidate must also be at least 35 years of age.
>>
>> You're point about anybody being able run for president is meaningless.
>> All that matters is who can win.
>
> So lets dig up (insert the worst public figure in
> American history during the 18th cnetury) maybe he can win.
> Put him throught the wash cycle on CNN and he's brand new again.
>
>>
>> >> >
>> >> > Why am I supposed to care about how someone else gets rich?
>> >>
>> >> If someone else is getting rich at your expense I would expect that
>> >> you would care. But hey, there's no accounting for taste.
>> >
>> > No thats more up to left up to interpretation. This country still
>> > allows the means for me to acquire wealth for how I see fit. At the
>> > same time I am afforded the protection of the law that prevents the
>> > theft of my property. As well as being given the opportunity to be a
>> > part of change. However there are glaring flaws that are continually
>> > circumventing not only our rights but also the law. Thats the problem
>> > I have.
>> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> A country where every citizen is still afforded the right for self
>> >> >> determination.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Atleast this country still promises a voice for its citizens.
>> >> >> > > Too bad many citizens surrender that right for complacency or
>> >> >> > > are worse still silenced by cynics.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >> > Those systems were designed to keep the citizens ignorant,
>> >> >> > >> > ill and dependant on a welfare system that was distributed
>> >> >> > >> > as deemed fit by the ruler. Not unlike socialism/communism.
>> >> >> > >> > Or am I wrong?
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> You are wrong. Don't be so idealistic. Take a look at what
>> >> >> > >> is happening in this country.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Right, atleast there is some sembelence of information
>> >> >> > > exchange in this country as opposed to other countries that
>> >> >> > > hold information completely ransom.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Instead of defending what we have you should be concerned with
>> >> >> > what we're losing rapidly. The RIAA and the MPAA and Disney
>> >> >> > and hosts of other media companies are working very hard to
>> >> >> > severely restrict the flows of information in this country.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Isnt that why I brought up this article about Valenti?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Right and I commend you for it. I'm just making the point that
>> >> saying "At least we have this" doesn't get us anywhere.
>> >
>> > The parrallel I was trying to make is this: 'Popular opinion' and the
>> > people which I believe we will be doing battle with will themselves be
>> > misinformed of what happens when control of information is
>> > misappropriated.
>> > We have to be able to clearly draw a picture for them of what happens
>> > when such controls are imposed. We have available a most recent
>> > example in history that we can draw from. I am of the opinion that we
>> > should use that example relentlessly but practically.
>> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Even in current day russia people who aspire to more than is
>> >> >> > > allowed to them are 'silenced'.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Perhaps I should keep my mouth shut if I ever want to get
>> >> >> > > anywhere in this world.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> > >> > Is it my imagination or is Valenti a seriously mentally
>> >> >> > >> > disturbed indiviudual?
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> It's your imagination.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > I was probably a little harsh on him, he does have a right to
>> >> >> > > voice his opinion on important matters. Actually I was
>> >> >> > > probably completely wrong about him. If he was able to make
>> >> >> > > the kind of headway he has in Congress I shouldnt have any
>> >> >> > > doubt he is a very intelligent man.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > It's not a matter of being harsh, the man is evil but as you
>> >> >> > pointed out not stupid.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > > Steve M
>> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> > >> >
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>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >>
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> ____________________________
> NYLXS: New Yorker Free Software Users Scene
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Joe Grastara
Systems Administrator
NYU School of Medicine

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NYLXS: New Yorker Free Software Users Scene
Fair Use -
because it's either fair use or useless....
NYLXS is a trademark of NYLXS, Inc

  1. 2003-09-01 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Video of the Meeting
  2. 2003-09-10 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Paging David Sugar
  3. 2003-09-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Orientation
  4. 2003-09-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Videos of Classes
  5. 2003-09-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] InServices September and October
  6. 2003-09-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Paging Tim Wilcox
  7. 2003-09-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Paging Pasha Akbar
  8. 2003-09-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Coperate Spounsorship for GNOME Summit
  9. 2003-09-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Classes
  10. 2003-09-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Paging David Sugar
  11. 2003-09-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Education Meeting Tonight
  12. 2003-09-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Paging Joe Grastara
  13. 2003-09-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Journal Meeting
  14. 2003-09-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Meeting Minutes
  15. 2003-09-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [Perl Jobs] PerlUnit Whiz for large-scale (10K TPS) web-based functional and load testing (part onsite), United States, NY, New York
  16. 2003-09-08 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Threates Begin
  17. 2003-09-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Boycott the RIAA and Write your Congressman
  18. 2003-09-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Threates Begin
  19. 2003-09-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [lincoln-at-EmperorLinux.com: [EmperorLinux-Empkernel] empkernel (2420p6a0328sw) swsusp +]
  20. 2003-09-08 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] This Thursday Eve Invite
  21. 2003-09-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] BE settles with Microsoft
  22. 2003-09-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] P2P lawsuites continue
  23. 2003-09-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] RIAA Biting the hand that feeds it
  24. 2003-09-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [nylxs-announce] Linux Scene Calender for Today
  25. 2003-09-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Novell 'puts entire ecosystem behind Linux'
  26. 2003-09-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board meeting (fwd)
  27. 2003-09-07 Robert Marino <prmarino-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Education committee
  28. 2003-09-07 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Materials
  29. 2003-09-07 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Materials
  30. 2003-09-07 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board meeting (fwd)
  31. 2003-09-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Remembering the Attachon New York
  32. 2003-09-07 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <michael.l.richardson-at-verizon.net> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft to pay $23M in Settlement
  33. 2003-09-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board meeting (fwd)
  34. 2003-09-07 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board meeting (fwd)
  35. 2003-09-06 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Technite Continues
  36. 2003-09-05 Kenneth Dombrowski <kenneth-at-ylayali.net> Re: [hangout] IBM TO KICK OFF WITH LINUX PLAY
  37. 2003-09-05 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] IBM TO KICK OFF WITH LINUX PLAY
  38. 2003-09-05 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] IBM TO KICK OFF WITH LINUX PLAY
  39. 2003-09-05 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Good news
  40. 2003-09-05 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] unInteresting article on Valenti
  41. 2003-09-04 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Interesting article on Valenti in this months Business2.0.
  42. 2003-09-04 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] unInteresting article on Valenti
  43. 2003-09-04 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] unInteresting article on Valenti
  44. 2003-09-04 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Interesting article on Valenti in this months Business2.0.
  45. 2003-09-04 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Desktop Linux Consortium announces Boston area conference
  46. 2003-09-04 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] unInteresting article on Valenti
  47. 2003-09-04 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Interesting article on Valenti in this months Busin
  48. 2003-09-04 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Interesting article on Valenti in this months Busin
  49. 2003-09-03 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] unInteresting article on Valenti
  50. 2003-09-03 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Interesting article on Valenti in this months Business2.0.
  51. 2003-09-03 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Interesting article on Valenti in this months Business2.0.
  52. 2003-09-03 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] Interesting article on Valenti in this months Busin
  53. 2003-09-03 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Interesting article on Valenti in this months Business2.0.
  54. 2003-09-03 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] unInteresting article on Valenti
  55. 2003-09-03 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] unInteresting article on Valenti
  56. 2003-09-03 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Interesting article on Valenti in this months Business2.0.
  57. 2003-09-03 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] unInteresting article on Valenti
  58. 2003-09-03 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] unInteresting article on Valenti
  59. 2003-09-03 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Board meeting
  60. 2003-09-03 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Interesting article on Valenti in this months Busin
  61. 2003-09-03 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Interesting article on Valenti in this months Business2.0.
  62. 2003-09-03 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] unInteresting article on Valenti
  63. 2003-09-03 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] We Have Met the Enemy, and He is Us
  64. 2003-09-03 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] We Have Met the Enemy, and He is Us
  65. 2003-09-03 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Interesting article on Valenti in this months Business2.0.
  66. 2003-09-02 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Interesting article on Valenti in this months
  67. 2003-09-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [seminars-at-covalent.net: Web Seminar on Apache 2.0]
  68. 2003-09-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Very instersting job with School System
  69. 2003-09-02 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] unInteresting article on Valenti
  70. 2003-09-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Subject: [hangout] unInteresting article on Valenti
  71. 2003-09-02 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Interesting article on Valenti in this months Business2.0.
  72. 2003-09-02 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Rockin' on without Microsoft
  73. 2003-09-02 Joe Grastara <joe-at-endeavor.med.nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Interesting article on Valenti in this months
  74. 2003-09-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNOME Developers Summit
  75. 2003-09-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Meeting
  76. 2003-09-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Bank and FSI Classes
  77. 2003-09-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Bank and FSI Classes
  78. 2003-09-01 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] please join in the protest
  79. 2003-09-01 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] please join in the protest
  80. 2003-09-10 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Domestic political terrorists
  81. 2003-09-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Domestic political terrorists
  82. 2003-09-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Paging David Sugar
  83. 2003-09-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Ms Crips
  84. 2003-09-10 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Ms Crips
  85. 2003-09-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software Developers Summit at Brooklyn College
  86. 2003-09-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Meeting Minutes - Tahdah
  87. 2003-09-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FSI Class Announcements
  88. 2003-09-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] SCO Pleads ...
  89. 2003-09-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Vacation in the Persian Gulf
  90. 2003-09-11 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] SCO Pleads ...
  91. 2003-09-11 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IRC meeting tommorow night at 11:00
  92. 2003-09-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [html-at-ssc.com: SuitWatch - September 11]
  93. 2003-09-11 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] FW: 911
  94. 2003-09-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Novell eyes role of Linux champion
  95. 2003-09-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Novell 'puts entire ecosystem behind Linux'
  96. 2003-09-09 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Report says schools are unfair to America
  97. 2003-09-11 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Wind River terminating BSD/OS
  98. 2003-09-11 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Domestic political terrorists
  99. 2003-09-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Domestic political terrorists
  100. 2003-09-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Volunteers needed for leafleting of the classes
  101. 2003-09-11 Joe Grastara <joe-at-endeavor.med.nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Interesting article on Valenti in this months
  102. 2003-09-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Interesting article on Valenti in this months Business2.0.
  103. 2003-09-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Oh .. You Gotta have Heart.....
  104. 2003-09-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft bit by patents
  105. 2003-09-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Broad band and the law Suites
  106. 2003-09-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: IRC meeting tommorow night at 11:00
  107. 2003-09-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] More on the RIAA Lawsuites: We should start a Brianna LaHara Defense Fund
  108. 2003-09-11 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] IRC meeting tommorow night at 11:00
  109. 2003-09-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The RIAA is finally making our case
  110. 2003-09-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: [ NYLXS Education Committee ] Re: Free Software Meeting in NYC [rms-at-gnu.org]
  111. 2003-09-11 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Free Software Developers Summit at Brooklyn College
  112. 2003-09-11 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Microsoft bit by patents
  113. 2003-09-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Microsoft bit by patents
  114. 2003-09-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNIME Meeting Planning Meeting
  115. 2003-09-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: IRC meeting tommorow night at 11:00
  116. 2003-09-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [fairuse] [nylug-talk] The RIAA is finally making our case [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  117. 2003-09-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [nylug-talk] The RIAA is finally making our case [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  118. 2003-09-12 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Ex-Apple Employee Slams Company / Who Killed Apple Computer?
  119. 2003-09-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The Unix Error
  120. 2003-09-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [ NYLXS Education Committee ] Re: Free Software Meeting in NYC
  121. 2003-09-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Taxation without Representation: The Microsoft Nation
  122. 2003-09-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Perl Coder needed - Graduate of Perl 1 and Perl 2 perfered
  123. 2003-09-12 Robert Marino <prmarino-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] System Specs - Mike (fwd)
  124. 2003-09-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] The Unix Error
  125. 2003-09-12 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] The Unix Error
  126. 2003-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Paging Bill Putney
  127. 2003-09-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tech Nite tonight
  128. 2003-09-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Security Alert: In the wild exploit damages data and OS
  129. 2003-09-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The shaping of young minds:
  130. 2003-09-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] P2P is moral and upright
  131. 2003-09-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Downloading in the News
  132. 2003-09-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [learn] Free Software Institute Classes
  133. 2003-09-19 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] DRM and the Upgrade Escalator is starting Now
  134. 2003-09-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Balmer: MS is being ripped off by the net
  135. 2003-09-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Balmer: MS is being ripped off by the net
  136. 2003-09-19 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Balmer: MS is being ripped off by the net
  137. 2003-09-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting Minutes - Tahdah
  138. 2003-09-19 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Balmer: MS is being ripped off by the net
  139. 2003-09-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Balmer: MS is being ripped off by the net
  140. 2003-09-19 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] update from WindowsRefund.net
  141. 2003-09-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] sspamassassin
  142. 2003-09-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] sspamassassin
  143. 2003-09-19 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] sspamassassin
  144. 2003-09-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] News from the Middle East: Report of tourture chambers in Iraq
  145. 2003-09-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] sspamassassin
  146. 2003-09-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] sspamassassin
  147. 2003-09-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting Minutes - Tahdah
  148. 2003-09-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting Minutes - Tahdah
  149. 2003-09-19 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting Minutes - Tahdah
  150. 2003-09-19 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] sspamassassin
  151. 2003-09-19 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] sspamassassin
  152. 2003-09-19 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting Minutes - Tahdah
  153. 2003-09-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] sspamassassin
  154. 2003-09-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Museum of the Day 2
  155. 2003-09-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting Minutes - Tahdah
  156. 2003-09-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYC Job for Linux
  157. 2003-09-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Meeting Minutes - Tahdah
  158. 2003-09-19 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] 65% of ATMs will run Windows by 2005
  159. 2003-09-19 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] September 12, 2001
  160. 2003-09-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] sspamassassin
  161. 2003-09-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Gnome Summitt Web Page
  162. 2003-09-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] rms-at-gnu.org: Re: GNOME Summit
  163. 2003-09-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Will a New Software Strategy Lift the Dark Clouds Over Sun?
  164. 2003-09-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Your Linux Today Security Letter for September 18, 2003 [reply-52dc-1808-2f6b114cd7-at-nl.internet.com]
  165. 2003-09-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [suse-security-announce] SuSE Security Announcement: openssh (second release) (SuSE-SA:2003:039) [draht-at-suse.de]
  166. 2003-09-18 Nat Friedman <nat-at-ximian.com> Re: [hangout] Gnome Summitt Web Page
  167. 2003-09-18 Luis Villa <louie-at-ximian.com> Re: [hangout] Gnome Summitt Web Page
  168. 2003-09-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Gnome Summitt Web Page
  169. 2003-09-18 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Gnome Summitt Web Page
  170. 2003-09-18 Luis Villa <louie-at-ximian.com> Re: [hangout] Gnome Summitt Web Page
  171. 2003-09-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: What's going on with Embperl???
  172. 2003-09-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Memebership Committee Meeting
  173. 2003-09-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Memebership Committee Meeting
  174. 2003-09-17 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Gnome Summitt Web Page
  175. 2003-09-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Gnome Summitt Web Page
  176. 2003-09-17 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Gnome Summitt Web Page
  177. 2003-09-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] September 12, 2001
  178. 2003-09-17 Luis Villa <louie-at-ximian.com> Re: [hangout] Gnome Summitt Web Page
  179. 2003-09-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Looking for
  180. 2003-09-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Gnome Summitt Web Page
  181. 2003-09-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNOME SUmmit Plan
  182. 2003-09-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [Fwd: [wwwac] job: (Recruiter) contract - Nassau county, NY - C# SQL-server]
  183. 2003-09-17 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] [Fwd: [wwwac] job: (Recruiter) contract - Nassau county, NY - C# SQL-server]
  184. 2003-09-17 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: [wwwac] job: (Recruiter) contract - Nassau county, NY - C#
  185. 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [learn] In IBM we trust
  186. 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] In IBM we trust
  187. 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] DRM and the Upgrade Escalator is starting Now
  188. 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The latest on the WTC Development
  189. 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FCC is being undressed in a broad way. Can the RIAA be far behind?
  190. 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Librarians strike back
  191. 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Who to do Business With - and it is not Alex Pilosoft
  192. 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] ISP Privacy in apealet court
  193. 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Pluggin Patents Upheld - Threatens Internet
  194. 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] American Graphitti
  195. 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Twistie Turnie WTC
  196. 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FSI Flyer
  197. 2003-09-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Perl Developer/Systems Administrator (onsite), United States, NY, New York]
  198. 2003-09-16 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Los Alamos Linux cluster to keep watch on nukes
  199. 2003-09-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Los Alamos Linux cluster to keep watch on nukes
  200. 2003-09-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Perl DBI Applications Programmer wanted for small company. Telecommute. (telecommute), United States, MD, Baltimore]
  201. 2003-09-16 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Los Alamos Linux cluster to keep watch on nukes
  202. 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Los Alamos Linux cluster to keep watch on nukes
  203. 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Los Alamos Linux cluster to keep watch on nukes
  204. 2003-09-15 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: [wwwac] JOB: Full-time E-Marketing Manager for Consumer
  205. 2003-09-15 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: [wwwac] JOB: STAFF DIGITAL PHOTOGRAPHER - E-Commerce Site]
  206. 2003-09-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Free Software Developers Summit at Brooklyn College
  207. 2003-09-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] follow ups
  208. 2003-09-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [reply-517e-1807-2f6b114cd7-at-nl.internet.com: Your Linux PR newsletter for September 15, 2003]
  209. 2003-09-15 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] follow ups
  210. 2003-09-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The Bottom Line is closing
  211. 2003-09-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] See I am BRILENT
  212. 2003-09-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Public could care less about RIAA
  213. 2003-09-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Public could care less about RIAA
  214. 2003-09-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Need to get the phone put in at Kings Games
  215. 2003-09-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYC is hostage to the Microsoft nation:
  216. 2003-09-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FSI Web Page
  217. 2003-09-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] I'll be a little late tonight
  218. 2003-09-14 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Back in touch
  219. 2003-09-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux Scene Calender for Today
  220. 2003-09-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Weekly NYLXS Announcments
  221. 2003-09-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The RIAA is finally making our case
  222. 2003-09-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The RIAA is finally making ourcase
  223. 2003-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Perl Reporting and Application Developer. (onsite), NY, New York, New York]
  224. 2003-09-13 akbar <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] FSI Web Page
  225. 2003-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux Job
  226. 2003-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FSI Web Page
  227. 2003-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FSI Web Page
  228. 2003-09-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] tomorrow: Orientation Board Meeting and FSI Planning Meeting
  229. 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  230. 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  231. 2003-09-30 Nat Friedman <nat-at-ximian.com> Re: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  232. 2003-09-30 Mitzu Handy <MHandy-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu> RE: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  233. 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  234. 2003-09-30 Mitzu Handy <MHandy-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu> RE: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  235. 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  236. 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: GNOME Conference Plans
  237. 2003-09-30 Mitzu Handy <MHandy-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu> Subject: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  238. 2003-09-30 Nat Friedman <nat-at-ximian.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: GNOME Conference Plans
  239. 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  240. 2003-09-30 From: "Mark S. Gold" <MARK-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu> Subject: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  241. 2003-09-30 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: GNOME Conference Plans
  242. 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0
  243. 2003-09-30 bruce-at-perens.com (Bruce Perens) RE: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0
  244. 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNOME Conference Plans
  245. 2003-09-30 bruce-at-perens.com (Bruce Perens) RE: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0
  246. 2003-09-30 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0
  247. 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0
  248. 2003-09-30 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0
  249. 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0
  250. 2003-09-30 bruce-at-perens.com (Bruce Perens) Re: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0
  251. 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Spam from your Circuits
  252. 2003-09-30 From: "J L" <lokokool-at-hotmail.com> Subject: [hangout] Putting a lid on broadband use
  253. 2003-09-30 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0
  254. 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] How to Get Attention without dropping your pants
  255. 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Ransom Love on SCO
  256. 2003-09-29 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Need Apple PowerBook G4 Power supply
  257. 2003-09-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Technite Move? Vote?
  258. 2003-09-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Need Apple PowerBook G4 Power supply
  259. 2003-09-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] mysqlcc
  260. 2003-09-29 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] mysqlcc
  261. 2003-09-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Anyone up for an actual tech meeting? [dan-at-acm.poly.edu]
  262. 2003-09-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Need Apple PowerBook G4 Power supply
  263. 2003-09-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] mysqlcc
  264. 2003-09-29 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] mysqlcc
  265. 2003-09-29 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Need Apple PowerBook G4 Power supply
  266. 2003-09-29 Kenneth Dombrowski <kenneth-at-ylayali.net> Re: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Anyone up for an actual tech meeting? [dan-at-acm.poly.edu]
  267. 2003-09-29 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Need Apple PowerBook G4 Power supply
  268. 2003-09-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: RE: computer resources [MHandy-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu]
  269. 2003-09-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Chicago Tribune Copyright Ethics Quiz
  270. 2003-09-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  271. 2003-09-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  272. 2003-09-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Junior programmer for financial institution (onsite), United States, New York, New York]
  273. 2003-09-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Anyone up for an actual tech meeting? [dan-at-acm.poly.edu]
  274. 2003-09-29 joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com Re: [hangout] Scribus 1.1.0
  275. 2003-09-29 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Scribus 1.1.0
  276. 2003-09-28 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Scribus 1.1.0
  277. 2003-09-26 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  278. 2003-09-26 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Tech Nite changes
  279. 2003-09-26 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  280. 2003-09-26 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  281. 2003-09-26 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  282. 2003-09-26 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  283. 2003-09-26 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  284. 2003-09-26 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  285. 2003-09-26 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  286. 2003-09-26 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  287. 2003-09-26 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  288. 2003-09-26 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  289. 2003-09-26 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  290. 2003-09-26 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  291. 2003-09-26 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  292. 2003-09-26 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Microsoft: National Security Threat?
  293. 2003-09-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Dave Please Follow Up [MHandy-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu]
  294. 2003-09-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Much Insite as an aside to the SCO case
  295. 2003-09-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tech Nite changes
  296. 2003-09-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] No Call List hung up in Court
  297. 2003-09-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] P2P - front page of the NY Times
  298. 2003-09-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Deslexic Grandma Sued by RIAA: P2P Awakening
  299. 2003-09-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Target for NY Fair Use
  300. 2003-09-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Movies Fair Use
  301. 2003-09-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [gus-at-inodes.org: Re: What's going on with Embperl???]
  302. 2003-09-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Help needed this Embperl Development: What's going on with Embperl???
  303. 2003-09-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl 1 Class happening from tonight and notes
  304. 2003-09-24 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl 1 Class happening from tonight and notes
  305. 2003-09-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Perl 1 Class happening from tonight and notes
  306. 2003-09-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [nycwireless] RIAA's mistake highlights 802.11 vulnerability
  307. 2003-09-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [nycwireless] RIAA's mistake highlights 802.11 vulnerability
  308. 2003-09-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Talking about 12 year-old copyright violators... See "The New Yorker" cover for Sept. 29.
  309. 2003-09-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fighting the Microsoft Mail Bomb
  310. 2003-09-24 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Fighting the Microsoft Mail Bomb
  311. 2003-09-24 From: "Ruben" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fighting the Microsoft Mail Bomb
  312. 2003-09-24 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Important Conference which we need to attend
  313. 2003-09-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Important Conference which we need to attend
  314. 2003-09-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Computer Associates' Open Innovation Strategy takes Linux to ente
  315. 2003-09-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] HP Expected to Indemnify Linux Customers
  316. 2003-09-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Important Conference which we need to attend
  317. 2003-09-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [nylxs-announce] Linux Scene Calender for Today
  318. 2003-09-24 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] sspamassassin
  319. 2003-09-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Important Conference which we need to attend
  320. 2003-09-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] RE:Business application SW for Linux
  321. 2003-09-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: computer resources
  322. 2003-09-23 Nat Friedman <nat-at-ximian.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: computer resources
  323. 2003-09-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: computer resources
  324. 2003-09-22 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Come out and hang flyers.
  325. 2003-09-22 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] RE: tomorrow: Orientation Board Meeting and FSI Planning Meeting
  326. 2003-09-22 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: Re: [wwwac] Identity Theft]
  327. 2003-09-19 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] sspamassassin
  328. 2003-09-19 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] sspamassassin
  329. 2003-09-18 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Slackware Linux 9.1 Beta 2 Available
  330. 2003-09-18 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Will a New Software Strategy Lift the Dark Clouds Over Sun?
  331. 2003-09-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Los Alamos Linux cluster to keep watch on nukes
  332. 2003-09-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Open source helps education effort in Third World
  333. 2003-09-30 Mitzu Handy <MHandy-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu> RE: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  334. 2003-09-30 Mitzu Handy <MHandy-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu> RE: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  335. 2003-09-30 Mitzu Handy <MHandy-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu> Subject: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  336. 2003-09-30 From: "Mark S. Gold" <MARK-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu> Subject: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  337. 2003-09-30 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft agrees to TRON tie-up
  338. 2003-09-30 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0
  339. 2003-09-30 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0
  340. 2003-09-29 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Need Apple PowerBook G4 Power supply
  341. 2003-09-26 Mark Bucciarelli <mark-at-hubcapconsulting.com> Subject: [hangout] Chicago Tribune Copyright Ethics Quiz
  342. 2003-09-26 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft Holdout Massachusetts Opts For Open Source
  343. 2003-09-26 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft: National Security Threat?
  344. 2003-09-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Important Conference which we need to attend
  345. 2003-09-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Danger Zone
  346. 2003-09-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] China Linux lobby a major threat to Microsoft Windows
  347. 2003-09-19 From: "akbar pasha" <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting Minutes - Tahdah
  348. 2003-09-17 From: "akbar pasha" <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] [Fwd: [wwwac] job: (Recruiter) contract - Nassau county, NY - C# SQL-server]
  349. 2003-09-09 From: "akbar pasha" <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] Sex Needed
  350. 2003-09-09 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Sex Needed
  351. 2003-09-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Sex Needed
  352. 2003-09-07 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Materials
  353. 2003-09-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: CYCLONES PLAYOFF TIX ON SALE NOW! [info-at-brooklyncyclones.com]
  354. 2003-09-16 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [DMCA_Discuss] Should Microsoft be Liable for Bugs? (fwd)
  355. 2003-09-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Moving from Slashdot to SlashDo

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