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September 20, 2003 Students Shall Not Download. Yeah, Sure. By KATE
ZERNIKE

STATE COLLEGE, Pa., Sept. 17 ? In the rough and tumble of the student
union here at Pennsylvania State University, the moral code is purely
pragmatic.

Thou shalt not smoke ? it will kill you.

Thou shalt not lift a term paper off the Internet ? it will get you
kicked out.

Thou shalt not use a fake ID ? it will get you arrested.

And when it comes to downloading music or movies off the Internet,
students here compare it with under-age drinking: illegal, but not
immoral. Like alcohol and parties, the Internet is easily accessible.
Why not download, or drink, when "everyone" does it?

This set of commandments has helped make people between the ages of 18
and 29, and college students in particular, the biggest downloaders of
Internet music.

"It's not something you feel guilty about doing," said Dan Langlitz, 20,
a junior here. "You don't get the feeling it's illegal because it's so
easy." He held an MP3 player in his hand. "They sell these things, the
sites are there. Why is it illegal?"

Students say they have had the Internet for as long as they can
remember, and have grown up thinking of it as theirs for the taking.

The array of services available to them on campus has only encouraged
that sense.

Penn State recently made the student center, known as the Hub, entirely
wireless, so students do not even have to dial up to get on the
Internet. In comfortable armchairs, they sit clicking on Google
searches, their ears attached to iPods, cellphones a hand away. A swipe
of a student ID gets them three free newspapers. They do not need cash ?
only a swipe card, the cost included in their student fees ? to buy
anything from a caramel caffè latte to tamale pie at an abundance of
fast food counters. There is a bank branch and a travel agency, and a
daily activities board lists a Nascar simulator as well as rumba
lessons.

Many courses put all materials ? textbook excerpts, articles, syllabuses
? online. Residence halls offer fast broadband access ? which studies
say makes people more likely to download.

"It kind of spoils us, in a sense, because you get used to it," said
Jill Wilson, 20, a sophomore.

The ease of going online has shaped not only attitudes about
downloading, but cheating as well, blurring the lines between right and
wrong so much that many colleges now require orientation courses that
give students specific examples of what plagiarism looks like. Students
generally know not to buy a paper off the Internet, but many think it is
O.K. to pull a paragraph or two, as long as they change a few words.

"Before, when you had to go into the library and at least type it in to
your paper, you were pretty conscious about what you were doing," said
Janis Jacobs, vice-provost for undergraduate education here. "That means
we do have to educate students about what is O.K. It's the same whether
you're talking about plagiarizing a phrase from a book or article or
downloading music ? it all seems free to them."

Last year and again last week, the university sent out an e-mail message
reminding students that downloading copyrighted music was illegal, and
pleading with them to "resist the urge" to download. It also warned
students that it had begun monitoring how much information students are
downloading, and that they could lose their Internet access if their
weekly use exceeded a limit administrators described as equivalent to
tens of thousands of e-mail messages sent.

This year, all students had to take an online tutorial before receiving
access to their e-mail accounts, acknowledging that they had read and
agreed to university policy prohibiting the downloading of copyrighted
material.

At the same time, realizing the difficulties of stopping downloading,
Penn State's president, Graham B. Spanier, is hoping to try out a
program this spring where the university would pay for the rights to
music, and then allow students to download at will.

To students, the crackdown seemed like a sudden reversal.

"Up until recently, we were not told it was wrong," said Kristin Ebert,
19. "We think if it's available, you can use it. It's another resource."

When representatives from the technology services department told
students about the bandwidth monitoring, Ms. Ebert said, they outlined
the reasonable limits in terms of movies downloaded. "They weren't
encouraging it, but they used it as a frame of reference," she said.
"They were aware, but they weren't doing anything to correct it."

Penn State has taken a harder line than most other campuses. But whether
here or at other campuses, students do not seem to be grasping the moral
message.

According to a study by the Pew Internet and American Life Project last
spring, 56 percent of college students download music, compared with
about 25 percent of nonstudents, and those students are more likely than
downloaders in general ? 80 percent to 67 percent ? to say they do not
care that the music is copyrighted when they download it. (The study
came before recent lawsuits by the recording industry against 261 people
it says have shared copyrighted music over the Internet. But researchers
defend the report's relevancy, saying it came after the industry had
shut down Napster and begun a widespread advertising campaign against
downloading.)

Similarly, studies by the Center for Academic Integrity show a decline
in traditional peering-over-someone's-shoulder cheating, but a steady
rise in Internet plagiarism from 1999 to 2003.

Here, the warnings against plagiarism seem to have sunk in better than
those about downloading. But even some of the lessons about plagiarism
came as a surprise to students who had freely used the Internet in high
school.

"When I came in, I didn't expect any of this to be plagiarism," said
Maria Sansone, 22, a senior. "The idea you had to cite what you took off
the Internet was new. I think a lot of people don't know where to draw
the line."

Elizabeth Kiss, director of the Kenan Institute for Ethics at Duke
University, said she suspected that older generations were not more
ethical, just less techno-savvy. "I don't think we've done a very good
job of making the argument that it's different if it's copyrighted," Ms.
Kiss said. "If students haven't grown up with that being a conversation,
they're not thinking about it."

Ann Morrissey, 19, confessed that she had not even listened to all the
songs she had downloaded. "I have 400 songs, I listen to 20," she said.
"I don't know why," she added, then laughed self consciously, and
answered herself, "You can, and it's cool to have them."

She, like others, does not see the harm done, and remains suspicious of
the recording industry.

"How are you going to make downloading illegal when you can still smoke
legally and give yourself lung cancer?" Ms. Morrissey asked. "There are
a lot worse issues you could focus on."

The university has sent warnings about exceeding bandwidth to a couple
of hundred students. But on a campus with 42,000 students, punishment
seems remote to many.

"No one close to home has gotten in trouble," said Andrew Ricken, a
junior.

A common analogy ? downloading music is like stealing a CD ? does not
sway students. Many argue that they are spending more money on music.

"I never went out and bought CD's; now I go to concerts, because I know
what kind of music people play," said Kristen Lipski, 20. "If you can
get your music out to a big group of people to listen to, they'll go to
your CD, go to your concert, spend money on posters. It's really
expensive, especially for college students, to buy the whole CD."

Mr. Langlitz was on his way to a concert downtown by Taking Back Sunday,
a band he said he would never have heard without downloading. "A lot of
the bands I know about aren't that well-known," he said. "Before I saw
their CD's, I had them in my computer."

These are the same arguments adults make. But while adults who remember
the days of LP's seem willing to pay 99 cents a song, students see any
transition from free as a denial of basic right.

"A dollar a song is just not worth it," said Edwin Shaw, a 20-year-old
junior walking across campus with his MP3 player and trying to confirm
which night the Red Hot Chili Peppers were playing on campus.

At best, the new warnings seemed to have some students negotiating new
rules.

At a table with friends, John Dixon was debating whether he would be
caught if he traded songs only with his roommates on their local area
network, off campus. Just to be safe, he is sticking mostly to
downloading music from CD's. He is not sharing his files ? not because
he sees it as illegal, but because he hears that the record industry is
going mainly after sharers, not downloaders.

"The risk is higher," Mr. Dixon said.

Ms. Wilson, too, is not sharing, though she has continued downloading.

"That doesn't make it right," she said. "But it's not that big a deal,
right?" -- __________________________ Brooklyn Linux Solutions
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  90. 2003-09-10 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Paging David Sugar
  91. 2003-09-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Paging David Sugar
  92. 2003-09-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Meeting Minutes - Tahdah
  93. 2003-09-10 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Domestic political terrorists
  94. 2003-09-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software Developers Summit at Brooklyn College
  95. 2003-09-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FSI Class Announcements
  96. 2003-09-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Ms Crips
  97. 2003-09-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] SCO Pleads ...
  98. 2003-09-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Vacation in the Persian Gulf
  99. 2003-09-11 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Domestic political terrorists
  100. 2003-09-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Domestic political terrorists
  101. 2003-09-11 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Free Software Developers Summit at Brooklyn College
  102. 2003-09-11 Joe Grastara <joe-at-endeavor.med.nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Interesting article on Valenti in this months
  103. 2003-09-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Interesting article on Valenti in this months Business2.0.
  104. 2003-09-11 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IRC meeting tommorow night at 11:00
  105. 2003-09-11 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] IRC meeting tommorow night at 11:00
  106. 2003-09-11 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Microsoft bit by patents
  107. 2003-09-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Microsoft bit by patents
  108. 2003-09-11 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] SCO Pleads ...
  109. 2003-09-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Broad band and the law Suites
  110. 2003-09-11 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] FW: 911
  111. 2003-09-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: [ NYLXS Education Committee ] Re: Free Software Meeting in NYC [rms-at-gnu.org]
  112. 2003-09-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNIME Meeting Planning Meeting
  113. 2003-09-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft bit by patents
  114. 2003-09-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] More on the RIAA Lawsuites: We should start a Brianna LaHara Defense Fund
  115. 2003-09-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Oh .. You Gotta have Heart.....
  116. 2003-09-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: IRC meeting tommorow night at 11:00
  117. 2003-09-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The RIAA is finally making our case
  118. 2003-09-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Volunteers needed for leafleting of the classes
  119. 2003-09-11 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Wind River terminating BSD/OS
  120. 2003-09-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [html-at-ssc.com: SuitWatch - September 11]
  121. 2003-09-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] The Unix Error
  122. 2003-09-12 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] The Unix Error
  123. 2003-09-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [nylug-talk] The RIAA is finally making our case [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  124. 2003-09-12 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Ex-Apple Employee Slams Company / Who Killed Apple Computer?
  125. 2003-09-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Perl Coder needed - Graduate of Perl 1 and Perl 2 perfered
  126. 2003-09-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: IRC meeting tommorow night at 11:00
  127. 2003-09-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [ NYLXS Education Committee ] Re: Free Software Meeting in NYC
  128. 2003-09-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [fairuse] [nylug-talk] The RIAA is finally making our case [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  129. 2003-09-12 Robert Marino <prmarino-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] System Specs - Mike (fwd)
  130. 2003-09-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Taxation without Representation: The Microsoft Nation
  131. 2003-09-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The Unix Error
  132. 2003-09-13 akbar <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] FSI Web Page
  133. 2003-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FSI Web Page
  134. 2003-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FSI Web Page
  135. 2003-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux Job
  136. 2003-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Paging Bill Putney
  137. 2003-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Perl Reporting and Application Developer. (onsite), NY, New York, New York]
  138. 2003-09-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FSI Web Page
  139. 2003-09-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Public could care less about RIAA
  140. 2003-09-14 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Back in touch
  141. 2003-09-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] I'll be a little late tonight
  142. 2003-09-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux Scene Calender for Today
  143. 2003-09-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Need to get the phone put in at Kings Games
  144. 2003-09-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYC is hostage to the Microsoft nation:
  145. 2003-09-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Public could care less about RIAA
  146. 2003-09-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] See I am BRILENT
  147. 2003-09-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The RIAA is finally making our case
  148. 2003-09-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The RIAA is finally making ourcase
  149. 2003-09-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Weekly NYLXS Announcments
  150. 2003-09-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] follow ups
  151. 2003-09-15 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] follow ups
  152. 2003-09-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Free Software Developers Summit at Brooklyn College
  153. 2003-09-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The Bottom Line is closing
  154. 2003-09-15 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: [wwwac] JOB: Full-time E-Marketing Manager for Consumer
  155. 2003-09-15 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: [wwwac] JOB: STAFF DIGITAL PHOTOGRAPHER - E-Commerce Site]
  156. 2003-09-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [reply-517e-1807-2f6b114cd7-at-nl.internet.com: Your Linux PR newsletter for September 15, 2003]
  157. 2003-09-16 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Los Alamos Linux cluster to keep watch on nukes
  158. 2003-09-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Los Alamos Linux cluster to keep watch on nukes
  159. 2003-09-16 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Los Alamos Linux cluster to keep watch on nukes
  160. 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Los Alamos Linux cluster to keep watch on nukes
  161. 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Los Alamos Linux cluster to keep watch on nukes
  162. 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] American Graphitti
  163. 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] DRM and the Upgrade Escalator is starting Now
  164. 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FCC is being undressed in a broad way. Can the RIAA be far behind?
  165. 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FSI Flyer
  166. 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] In IBM we trust
  167. 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] ISP Privacy in apealet court
  168. 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Librarians strike back
  169. 2003-09-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Los Alamos Linux cluster to keep watch on nukes
  170. 2003-09-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Open source helps education effort in Third World
  171. 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Pluggin Patents Upheld - Threatens Internet
  172. 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [learn] In IBM we trust
  173. 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The latest on the WTC Development
  174. 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Twistie Turnie WTC
  175. 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Who to do Business With - and it is not Alex Pilosoft
  176. 2003-09-16 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [DMCA_Discuss] Should Microsoft be Liable for Bugs? (fwd)
  177. 2003-09-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Perl DBI Applications Programmer wanted for small company. Telecommute. (telecommute), United States, MD, Baltimore]
  178. 2003-09-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Perl Developer/Systems Administrator (onsite), United States, NY, New York]
  179. 2003-09-17 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Gnome Summitt Web Page
  180. 2003-09-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Gnome Summitt Web Page
  181. 2003-09-17 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Gnome Summitt Web Page
  182. 2003-09-17 Luis Villa <louie-at-ximian.com> Re: [hangout] Gnome Summitt Web Page
  183. 2003-09-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Memebership Committee Meeting
  184. 2003-09-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [Fwd: [wwwac] job: (Recruiter) contract - Nassau county, NY - C# SQL-server]
  185. 2003-09-17 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] [Fwd: [wwwac] job: (Recruiter) contract - Nassau county, NY - C# SQL-server]
  186. 2003-09-17 From: "akbar pasha" <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] [Fwd: [wwwac] job: (Recruiter) contract - Nassau county, NY - C# SQL-server]
  187. 2003-09-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNOME SUmmit Plan
  188. 2003-09-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Gnome Summitt Web Page
  189. 2003-09-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Looking for
  190. 2003-09-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Memebership Committee Meeting
  191. 2003-09-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: What's going on with Embperl???
  192. 2003-09-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] September 12, 2001
  193. 2003-09-17 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: [wwwac] job: (Recruiter) contract - Nassau county, NY - C#
  194. 2003-09-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Gnome Summitt Web Page
  195. 2003-09-18 Nat Friedman <nat-at-ximian.com> Re: [hangout] Gnome Summitt Web Page
  196. 2003-09-18 Luis Villa <louie-at-ximian.com> Re: [hangout] Gnome Summitt Web Page
  197. 2003-09-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Gnome Summitt Web Page
  198. 2003-09-18 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Gnome Summitt Web Page
  199. 2003-09-18 Luis Villa <louie-at-ximian.com> Re: [hangout] Gnome Summitt Web Page
  200. 2003-09-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Will a New Software Strategy Lift the Dark Clouds Over Sun?
  201. 2003-09-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Your Linux Today Security Letter for September 18, 2003 [reply-52dc-1808-2f6b114cd7-at-nl.internet.com]
  202. 2003-09-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [suse-security-announce] SuSE Security Announcement: openssh (second release) (SuSE-SA:2003:039) [draht-at-suse.de]
  203. 2003-09-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] rms-at-gnu.org: Re: GNOME Summit
  204. 2003-09-18 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Slackware Linux 9.1 Beta 2 Available
  205. 2003-09-18 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Will a New Software Strategy Lift the Dark Clouds Over Sun?
  206. 2003-09-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Balmer: MS is being ripped off by the net
  207. 2003-09-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Balmer: MS is being ripped off by the net
  208. 2003-09-19 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Balmer: MS is being ripped off by the net
  209. 2003-09-19 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Balmer: MS is being ripped off by the net
  210. 2003-09-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting Minutes - Tahdah
  211. 2003-09-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting Minutes - Tahdah
  212. 2003-09-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting Minutes - Tahdah
  213. 2003-09-19 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting Minutes - Tahdah
  214. 2003-09-19 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting Minutes - Tahdah
  215. 2003-09-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting Minutes - Tahdah
  216. 2003-09-19 From: "akbar pasha" <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting Minutes - Tahdah
  217. 2003-09-19 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] DRM and the Upgrade Escalator is starting Now
  218. 2003-09-19 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] September 12, 2001
  219. 2003-09-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] sspamassassin
  220. 2003-09-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] sspamassassin
  221. 2003-09-19 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] sspamassassin
  222. 2003-09-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] sspamassassin
  223. 2003-09-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] sspamassassin
  224. 2003-09-19 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] sspamassassin
  225. 2003-09-19 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] sspamassassin
  226. 2003-09-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] sspamassassin
  227. 2003-09-19 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] sspamassassin
  228. 2003-09-19 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] sspamassassin
  229. 2003-09-19 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] 65% of ATMs will run Windows by 2005
  230. 2003-09-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Balmer: MS is being ripped off by the net
  231. 2003-09-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Meeting Minutes - Tahdah
  232. 2003-09-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Museum of the Day 2
  233. 2003-09-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] News from the Middle East: Report of tourture chambers in Iraq
  234. 2003-09-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYC Job for Linux
  235. 2003-09-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] sspamassassin
  236. 2003-09-19 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] update from WindowsRefund.net
  237. 2003-09-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Downloading in the News
  238. 2003-09-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] P2P is moral and upright
  239. 2003-09-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [learn] Free Software Institute Classes
  240. 2003-09-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The shaping of young minds:
  241. 2003-09-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Security Alert: In the wild exploit damages data and OS
  242. 2003-09-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tech Nite tonight
  243. 2003-09-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] tomorrow: Orientation Board Meeting and FSI Planning Meeting
  244. 2003-09-22 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Come out and hang flyers.
  245. 2003-09-22 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] RE: tomorrow: Orientation Board Meeting and FSI Planning Meeting
  246. 2003-09-22 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: Re: [wwwac] Identity Theft]
  247. 2003-09-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: computer resources
  248. 2003-09-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Important Conference which we need to attend
  249. 2003-09-23 Nat Friedman <nat-at-ximian.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: computer resources
  250. 2003-09-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: computer resources
  251. 2003-09-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] RE:Business application SW for Linux
  252. 2003-09-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fighting the Microsoft Mail Bomb
  253. 2003-09-24 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Fighting the Microsoft Mail Bomb
  254. 2003-09-24 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Important Conference which we need to attend
  255. 2003-09-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Important Conference which we need to attend
  256. 2003-09-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Important Conference which we need to attend
  257. 2003-09-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Important Conference which we need to attend
  258. 2003-09-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl 1 Class happening from tonight and notes
  259. 2003-09-24 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl 1 Class happening from tonight and notes
  260. 2003-09-24 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] sspamassassin
  261. 2003-09-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] China Linux lobby a major threat to Microsoft Windows
  262. 2003-09-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Computer Associates' Open Innovation Strategy takes Linux to ente
  263. 2003-09-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Danger Zone
  264. 2003-09-24 From: "Ruben" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fighting the Microsoft Mail Bomb
  265. 2003-09-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Help needed this Embperl Development: What's going on with Embperl???
  266. 2003-09-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] HP Expected to Indemnify Linux Customers
  267. 2003-09-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Perl 1 Class happening from tonight and notes
  268. 2003-09-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Talking about 12 year-old copyright violators... See "The New Yorker" cover for Sept. 29.
  269. 2003-09-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [nycwireless] RIAA's mistake highlights 802.11 vulnerability
  270. 2003-09-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [nycwireless] RIAA's mistake highlights 802.11 vulnerability
  271. 2003-09-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [nylxs-announce] Linux Scene Calender for Today
  272. 2003-09-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Deslexic Grandma Sued by RIAA: P2P Awakening
  273. 2003-09-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Movies Fair Use
  274. 2003-09-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Much Insite as an aside to the SCO case
  275. 2003-09-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] No Call List hung up in Court
  276. 2003-09-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] P2P - front page of the NY Times
  277. 2003-09-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Target for NY Fair Use
  278. 2003-09-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tech Nite changes
  279. 2003-09-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [gus-at-inodes.org: Re: What's going on with Embperl???]
  280. 2003-09-26 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  281. 2003-09-26 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  282. 2003-09-26 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  283. 2003-09-26 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  284. 2003-09-26 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  285. 2003-09-26 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  286. 2003-09-26 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  287. 2003-09-26 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  288. 2003-09-26 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  289. 2003-09-26 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  290. 2003-09-26 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  291. 2003-09-26 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  292. 2003-09-26 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  293. 2003-09-26 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Microsoft: National Security Threat?
  294. 2003-09-26 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Tech Nite changes
  295. 2003-09-26 Mark Bucciarelli <mark-at-hubcapconsulting.com> Subject: [hangout] Chicago Tribune Copyright Ethics Quiz
  296. 2003-09-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Dave Please Follow Up [MHandy-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu]
  297. 2003-09-26 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  298. 2003-09-26 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft Holdout Massachusetts Opts For Open Source
  299. 2003-09-26 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft: National Security Threat?
  300. 2003-09-28 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Scribus 1.1.0
  301. 2003-09-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Chicago Tribune Copyright Ethics Quiz
  302. 2003-09-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Anyone up for an actual tech meeting? [dan-at-acm.poly.edu]
  303. 2003-09-29 Kenneth Dombrowski <kenneth-at-ylayali.net> Re: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Anyone up for an actual tech meeting? [dan-at-acm.poly.edu]
  304. 2003-09-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  305. 2003-09-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  306. 2003-09-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] mysqlcc
  307. 2003-09-29 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] mysqlcc
  308. 2003-09-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] mysqlcc
  309. 2003-09-29 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Need Apple PowerBook G4 Power supply
  310. 2003-09-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Need Apple PowerBook G4 Power supply
  311. 2003-09-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Need Apple PowerBook G4 Power supply
  312. 2003-09-29 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Need Apple PowerBook G4 Power supply
  313. 2003-09-29 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Need Apple PowerBook G4 Power supply
  314. 2003-09-29 joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com Re: [hangout] Scribus 1.1.0
  315. 2003-09-29 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Scribus 1.1.0
  316. 2003-09-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Anyone up for an actual tech meeting? [dan-at-acm.poly.edu]
  317. 2003-09-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: RE: computer resources [MHandy-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu]
  318. 2003-09-29 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] mysqlcc
  319. 2003-09-29 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Need Apple PowerBook G4 Power supply
  320. 2003-09-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Technite Move? Vote?
  321. 2003-09-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Junior programmer for financial institution (onsite), United States, New York, New York]
  322. 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0
  323. 2003-09-30 bruce-at-perens.com (Bruce Perens) RE: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0
  324. 2003-09-30 bruce-at-perens.com (Bruce Perens) RE: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0
  325. 2003-09-30 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0
  326. 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0
  327. 2003-09-30 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0
  328. 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0
  329. 2003-09-30 bruce-at-perens.com (Bruce Perens) Re: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0
  330. 2003-09-30 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0
  331. 2003-09-30 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0
  332. 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  333. 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  334. 2003-09-30 Nat Friedman <nat-at-ximian.com> Re: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  335. 2003-09-30 Mitzu Handy <MHandy-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu> RE: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  336. 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  337. 2003-09-30 Mitzu Handy <MHandy-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu> RE: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  338. 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  339. 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: GNOME Conference Plans
  340. 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  341. 2003-09-30 Mitzu Handy <MHandy-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu> RE: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  342. 2003-09-30 Mitzu Handy <MHandy-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu> RE: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  343. 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNOME Conference Plans
  344. 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] How to Get Attention without dropping your pants
  345. 2003-09-30 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft agrees to TRON tie-up
  346. 2003-09-30 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0
  347. 2003-09-30 From: "J L" <lokokool-at-hotmail.com> Subject: [hangout] Putting a lid on broadband use
  348. 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Ransom Love on SCO
  349. 2003-09-30 Mitzu Handy <MHandy-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu> Subject: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  350. 2003-09-30 Nat Friedman <nat-at-ximian.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: GNOME Conference Plans
  351. 2003-09-30 From: "Mark S. Gold" <MARK-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu> Subject: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  352. 2003-09-30 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: GNOME Conference Plans
  353. 2003-09-30 Mitzu Handy <MHandy-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu> Subject: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  354. 2003-09-30 From: "Mark S. Gold" <MARK-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu> Subject: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  355. 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Spam from your Circuits

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