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Vaughan-Nichols In 1994, Caldera Inc. was formed by Bryan Sparks and Ransom Love with the financial backing of Novell Inc. founder Ray Noorda. The company was one of the first backers of commercial Linux. Since that time, Caldera's successor company, The SCO Group Inc., has gained notoriety for its legal actions against Linux vendors and end users over what it says is proprietary Unix code. When he left Caldera in mid-2001, industry wags said Love would take the helm of the UnitedLinux consortium; but instead, he left the Linux business. Today, Love is writing a book about the early days of Linux commercialization and the open-source way of approaching problems. Steven Vaughan-Nichols, editor of eWEEK.com's Linux & Open Source Center , spoke to Love in an exclusive interview. Love, who was Caldera CEO during its acquisition of SCO and the contested Unix source code, expressed displeasure over the current developments from his former company. RELATED LINKS SCO, Open-Source Leaders Trade Barbs SCO to Linux Users: Pay Up! Vetting SCO's Linux Lawsuits SCO Battle Rages On Torvalds Slams SCO eWEEK.com: Let's cut to the chase: What did you intend to do with the Unix source code? Love: Clearly, when we acquired SCO and Unix, our intention was to see how Unix could expand and extend Linux. In a lot of technologies, Linux was going in slightly different ways, but we thought Unix was the natural companion to it. We took the Linux code that was available and learned to cleanly match it with the Unix APIs. The idea was to adopt Linux APIs and mechanisms to function on top of a scalable Unix code designed for SMP [symmetric multiprocessing]. At the time, Linux was moving to clustering to make Linux more scalable. We wanted to combine Unix's improved symmetric multiprocessing with Linux so that it would have both excellent clustering and SMP. Indeed, at first we wanted to open-source all of Unix's code, but we quickly found that even though we owned it, it was, and still is, full of other companies' copyrights. The challenge was that there were a lot of business entities that didn't want this to happen. Intel [Corp.] was the biggest opposition. eWEEK.com: Intel? Why? Love: I don't know their real reason, but my sense was that they were using Linux against Unix and Sun [Microsystems Inc.]. They wanted to destroy the Unix base on Intel in favor of Linux so Sun wouldn't have a low-end Unix path. And, of course, there was their love-hate relationship with Microsoft. At the same time, they didn't want to displace Microsoft with a Linux that had the best of both operating systems. Linux and Unix are highly compatible and should be supportive of each other, but they were being pitted against each other because no one wants to threaten Microsoft. In Intel's case, Windows was also making them too much money. We didn't want to spend years clearing out the old copyright issues in the face of corporate opposition. So, instead we worked on Linux Kernel Personalities to bring Linux application compatibility to SCO Unix (formerly UnixWare) and OpenServer. The idea was to enable developers to write for both Unix and Linux with a common Application Programming Interface (API) and common Application Binary Interface (ABI). That way developers didn't have to work so hard, and Unix users, the client base we inherited from SCO, could run Linux applications. We were no longer thinking about mixing code; we were trying to create a common development environment. We were trying to keep the Unix and Linux kernels separate, while tying them to common APIs and ABIs. Next page: Behind SCO's and IBM's Project Monterey. eWEEK.com: When you bought SCO, you had other problems beyond the concern about mixing Unix and Linux, right? Love: That's right. There were many reasons we bought SCO: its then-strong reseller community; its incredible installed base of replicated business where Linux could play well; its engineering talent; its global support infrastructure; and what we then thought of as the future of our product baseProject Monterey. Editor's note: Project Monterey was a deal between SCO and IBM, with Intel's support, to develop an enterprise Unix that could run on systems based on Intel's IA-32 and IA-64 architectures as well as IBM's POWER4 processor. The result would have been a single product line supporting systems ranging from entry-level servers to large enterprise environments. Love: We were really excited about Monterey as the next product step for Caldera/SCO. With it, we would move a combined Unix and Linux to a 64-bit platform. We were counting on it, and senior IBM executives had assured us that they wanted Monterey. Then, IBM decided to name it AIX 5L (on August 22, 2000, 20 days after Caldera had bought SCO), and they wouldn't release [Monterey] on Intel. That became a real problem for us. SCO had depended entirely on Monterey on IA-64 for the future of our Unix and Linux product lines. IBM did offer some payment for our development troubles, but it was insufficient. eWEEK.com: That was the real start of trouble between the two companies, then? Love: Yes. eWEEK.com: What do you think about SCO's current management claims that IBM took Unix source code and put it into Linux? Love: I don't get into that level of expertise, so that's an area I can't comment on. Of course, both SCO/Caldera and IBM contributed to the Linux kernel. Certainly, IBM contributed SMP capability. We didn't do much with SMP. Logically, I seriously doubt that IBM would actually list the Unix code into Linux. Were they heavily influenced by Unix? Of course, all operating system engineers are. Pointer Check out eWEEK's special report, "The Battle Over Unix." eWEEK.com: > SCO's current management is now going after the GPL. What do think of this move? Love: We looked at the GPL for many years. We thought it had problems, For me, the GPL was not the open source license I would have chosen for commercial opportunities, but if I were trying to establish an open standard, I'd use GPL. Fundamentally, the only business model that works with GPL is a subscription service, one like Caldera had and where Red Hat has with its enterprise Linux distributions. The GPL might be questionable in court, but for what Richard Stallman intended, it's not flawed at all. But, that said, I wouldn't want to test the GPL in court, particularly given Caldera's history of voluntary compliance with it. If you start down a path, and you get high-powered attorneys and [then] you begin to believe things you might not have at the beginning. Next page: Why SCO's legal moves aren't "good for the company or Linux." eWEEK.com: What do you think of SCO's recent threats to expand its legal actions? Love: I'm not privy to the information they have. But, it's not the path I, or our group, would have gone down. I think Caldera investors who wanted a quick return pressured the management. They seem to think that short-term, possible gains are more important than long term ones, which is unfortunate. I don't believe that the suit is good for the company or Linux. I do believe IBM has not played clean with SCO. Still, with UnitedLinux they were a tremendous help. But, on the other hand, unlike other Linux companies, Caldera/SCO didn't get IBM investments, and of course, there's always Monterey. Now, the suit has taken on a life of its own, and there's a lot of posturing for the suit going on that people now believe in. That said, there are many business relationship issues that the open-source community isn't aware of between SCO and IBM. But now it's become an ongoing feud between SCO and the open-source community. I don't know if there's really an intellectual-property case or not. It's possible SCO discovered something that I don't have the information on. I do think, though, that it's very unfortunate that what should have been a contract dispute has become an industrywide fight. eWEEK.com: Why is this is so? Certainly, SCO has been fanning the flames. Love: Perhaps by proposing to go after Linux end users, they want to put additional pressure to bring matters to a head. But, the way it's escalating, I'm not sure they're trying to bring it to a conclusion. SCO may actually believe that they'll drive a business with Unix licensing alone. eWEEK.com: How do you feel about this? Love: My belief is that Unix and Linux should co-exist and should look and feel the same to application developers. Fundamentally, I would not have pursued SCO's path. You see, the challenge is building business. Litigation, no matter what side you're on, tears down businesses. Only the attorneys win. Companies should focus their energies on building their businesses, not on lawsuits. I don't see any positive outcomes. It's like a fire. Right now in Utah, they started a controlled burn, and it's turned into the worse fire of the season. They had been afraid of a lightning strike and then they lit the match. This is awkward to me, I don't know what's going on inside SCO today, and I don't want to throw stones on either side. I, however, no longer have any investments in SCO. When news of the IBM lawsuit broke, I sold the last of my stock. I no longer have any relationship with the company. eWEEK.com: Do you think, even after the Monterey letdown, that SCO could have been successful on the path you would have taken? Love: It could have been successful. The path we were taking was the only one we could. We didn't have the resources to move Linux to IA-64 on our own, and we couldn't push our SCO Unix customers to Linux. Had the economy spun around ... Much of our business was with retail sites, and as their businesses got better, ours would have too. Discuss this in the eWEEK forum. Copyright (c) 2003 Ziff Davis Media Inc. All Rights Reserved. -- __________________________ Brooklyn Linux Solutions __________________________ DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS http://fairuse.nylxs.com http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting http://www.inns.net <-- Happy Clients http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and articles from around the net http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown Brooklyn.... 1-718-382-0585 ____________________________ NYLXS: New Yorker Free Software Users Scene Fair Use - because it's either fair use or useless.... 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Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] please join in the protest 2003-09-01 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] please join in the protest 2003-09-10 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Domestic political terrorists 2003-09-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Domestic political terrorists 2003-09-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Paging David Sugar 2003-09-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Ms Crips 2003-09-10 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Ms Crips 2003-09-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software Developers Summit at Brooklyn College 2003-09-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Meeting Minutes - Tahdah 2003-09-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FSI Class Announcements 2003-09-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] SCO Pleads ... 2003-09-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Vacation in the Persian Gulf 2003-09-11 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] SCO Pleads ... 2003-09-11 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IRC meeting tommorow night at 11:00 2003-09-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [html-at-ssc.com: SuitWatch - September 11] 2003-09-11 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] FW: 911 2003-09-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Novell eyes role of Linux champion 2003-09-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Novell 'puts entire ecosystem behind Linux' 2003-09-09 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Report says schools are unfair to America 2003-09-11 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Wind River terminating BSD/OS 2003-09-11 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Domestic political terrorists 2003-09-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Domestic political terrorists 2003-09-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Volunteers needed for leafleting of the classes 2003-09-11 Joe Grastara <joe-at-endeavor.med.nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Interesting article on Valenti in this months 2003-09-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Interesting article on Valenti in this months Business2.0. 2003-09-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Oh .. You Gotta have Heart..... 2003-09-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft bit by patents 2003-09-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Broad band and the law Suites 2003-09-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: IRC meeting tommorow night at 11:00 2003-09-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] More on the RIAA Lawsuites: We should start a Brianna LaHara Defense Fund 2003-09-11 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] IRC meeting tommorow night at 11:00 2003-09-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The RIAA is finally making our case 2003-09-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: [ NYLXS Education Committee ] Re: Free Software Meeting in NYC [rms-at-gnu.org] 2003-09-11 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Free Software Developers Summit at Brooklyn College 2003-09-11 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Microsoft bit by patents 2003-09-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Microsoft bit by patents 2003-09-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNIME Meeting Planning Meeting 2003-09-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: IRC meeting tommorow night at 11:00 2003-09-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [fairuse] [nylug-talk] The RIAA is finally making our case [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com] 2003-09-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [nylug-talk] The RIAA is finally making our case [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com] 2003-09-12 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Ex-Apple Employee Slams Company / Who Killed Apple Computer? 2003-09-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The Unix Error 2003-09-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [ NYLXS Education Committee ] Re: Free Software Meeting in NYC 2003-09-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Taxation without Representation: The Microsoft Nation 2003-09-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Perl Coder needed - Graduate of Perl 1 and Perl 2 perfered 2003-09-12 Robert Marino <prmarino-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] System Specs - Mike (fwd) 2003-09-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] The Unix Error 2003-09-12 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] The Unix Error 2003-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Paging Bill Putney 2003-09-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tech Nite tonight 2003-09-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Security Alert: In the wild exploit damages data and OS 2003-09-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The shaping of young minds: 2003-09-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] P2P is moral and upright 2003-09-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Downloading in the News 2003-09-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [learn] Free Software Institute Classes 2003-09-19 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] DRM and the Upgrade Escalator is starting Now 2003-09-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Balmer: MS is being ripped off by the net 2003-09-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Balmer: MS is being ripped off by the net 2003-09-19 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Balmer: MS is being ripped off by the net 2003-09-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting Minutes - Tahdah 2003-09-19 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Balmer: MS is being ripped off by the net 2003-09-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Balmer: MS is being ripped off by the net 2003-09-19 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] update from WindowsRefund.net 2003-09-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] sspamassassin 2003-09-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] sspamassassin 2003-09-19 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] sspamassassin 2003-09-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] News from the Middle East: Report of tourture chambers in Iraq 2003-09-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] sspamassassin 2003-09-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] sspamassassin 2003-09-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting Minutes - Tahdah 2003-09-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting Minutes - Tahdah 2003-09-19 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting Minutes - Tahdah 2003-09-19 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] sspamassassin 2003-09-19 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] sspamassassin 2003-09-19 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting Minutes - Tahdah 2003-09-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] sspamassassin 2003-09-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Museum of the Day 2 2003-09-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting Minutes - Tahdah 2003-09-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYC Job for Linux 2003-09-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Meeting Minutes - Tahdah 2003-09-19 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] 65% of ATMs will run Windows by 2005 2003-09-19 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] September 12, 2001 2003-09-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] sspamassassin 2003-09-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Gnome Summitt Web Page 2003-09-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] rms-at-gnu.org: Re: GNOME Summit 2003-09-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Will a New Software Strategy Lift the Dark Clouds Over Sun? 2003-09-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Your Linux Today Security Letter for September 18, 2003 [reply-52dc-1808-2f6b114cd7-at-nl.internet.com] 2003-09-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [suse-security-announce] SuSE Security Announcement: openssh (second release) (SuSE-SA:2003:039) [draht-at-suse.de] 2003-09-18 Nat Friedman <nat-at-ximian.com> Re: [hangout] Gnome Summitt Web Page 2003-09-18 Luis Villa <louie-at-ximian.com> Re: [hangout] Gnome Summitt Web Page 2003-09-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Gnome Summitt Web Page 2003-09-18 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Gnome Summitt Web Page 2003-09-18 Luis Villa <louie-at-ximian.com> Re: [hangout] Gnome Summitt Web Page 2003-09-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: What's going on with Embperl??? 2003-09-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Memebership Committee Meeting 2003-09-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Memebership Committee Meeting 2003-09-17 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Gnome Summitt Web Page 2003-09-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Gnome Summitt Web Page 2003-09-17 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Gnome Summitt Web Page 2003-09-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] September 12, 2001 2003-09-17 Luis Villa <louie-at-ximian.com> Re: [hangout] Gnome Summitt Web Page 2003-09-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Looking for 2003-09-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Gnome Summitt Web Page 2003-09-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNOME SUmmit Plan 2003-09-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [Fwd: [wwwac] job: (Recruiter) contract - Nassau county, NY - C# SQL-server] 2003-09-17 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] [Fwd: [wwwac] job: (Recruiter) contract - Nassau county, NY - C# SQL-server] 2003-09-17 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: [wwwac] job: (Recruiter) contract - Nassau county, NY - C# 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [learn] In IBM we trust 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] In IBM we trust 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] DRM and the Upgrade Escalator is starting Now 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The latest on the WTC Development 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FCC is being undressed in a broad way. Can the RIAA be far behind? 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Librarians strike back 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Who to do Business With - and it is not Alex Pilosoft 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] ISP Privacy in apealet court 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Pluggin Patents Upheld - Threatens Internet 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] American Graphitti 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Twistie Turnie WTC 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FSI Flyer 2003-09-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Perl Developer/Systems Administrator (onsite), United States, NY, New York] 2003-09-16 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Los Alamos Linux cluster to keep watch on nukes 2003-09-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Los Alamos Linux cluster to keep watch on nukes 2003-09-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Perl DBI Applications Programmer wanted for small company. Telecommute. (telecommute), United States, MD, Baltimore] 2003-09-16 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Los Alamos Linux cluster to keep watch on nukes 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Los Alamos Linux cluster to keep watch on nukes 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Los Alamos Linux cluster to keep watch on nukes 2003-09-15 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: [wwwac] JOB: Full-time E-Marketing Manager for Consumer 2003-09-15 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: [wwwac] JOB: STAFF DIGITAL PHOTOGRAPHER - E-Commerce Site] 2003-09-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Free Software Developers Summit at Brooklyn College 2003-09-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] follow ups 2003-09-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [reply-517e-1807-2f6b114cd7-at-nl.internet.com: Your Linux PR newsletter for September 15, 2003] 2003-09-15 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] follow ups 2003-09-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The Bottom Line is closing 2003-09-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] See I am BRILENT 2003-09-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Public could care less about RIAA 2003-09-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Public could care less about RIAA 2003-09-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Need to get the phone put in at Kings Games 2003-09-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYC is hostage to the Microsoft nation: 2003-09-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FSI Web Page 2003-09-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] I'll be a little late tonight 2003-09-14 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Back in touch 2003-09-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux Scene Calender for Today 2003-09-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Weekly NYLXS Announcments 2003-09-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The RIAA is finally making our case 2003-09-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The RIAA is finally making ourcase 2003-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Perl Reporting and Application Developer. (onsite), NY, New York, New York] 2003-09-13 akbar <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] FSI Web Page 2003-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux Job 2003-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FSI Web Page 2003-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FSI Web Page 2003-09-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] tomorrow: Orientation Board Meeting and FSI Planning Meeting 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans 2003-09-30 Nat Friedman <nat-at-ximian.com> Re: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans 2003-09-30 Mitzu Handy <MHandy-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu> RE: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans 2003-09-30 Mitzu Handy <MHandy-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu> RE: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: GNOME Conference Plans 2003-09-30 Mitzu Handy <MHandy-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu> Subject: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans 2003-09-30 Nat Friedman <nat-at-ximian.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: GNOME Conference Plans 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans 2003-09-30 From: "Mark S. Gold" <MARK-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu> Subject: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans 2003-09-30 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: GNOME Conference Plans 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0 2003-09-30 bruce-at-perens.com (Bruce Perens) RE: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNOME Conference Plans 2003-09-30 bruce-at-perens.com (Bruce Perens) RE: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0 2003-09-30 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0 2003-09-30 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0 2003-09-30 bruce-at-perens.com (Bruce Perens) Re: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Spam from your Circuits 2003-09-30 From: "J L" <lokokool-at-hotmail.com> Subject: [hangout] Putting a lid on broadband use 2003-09-30 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] How to Get Attention without dropping your pants 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Ransom Love on SCO 2003-09-29 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Need Apple PowerBook G4 Power supply 2003-09-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Technite Move? Vote? 2003-09-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Need Apple PowerBook G4 Power supply 2003-09-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] mysqlcc 2003-09-29 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] mysqlcc 2003-09-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Anyone up for an actual tech meeting? [dan-at-acm.poly.edu] 2003-09-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Need Apple PowerBook G4 Power supply 2003-09-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] mysqlcc 2003-09-29 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] mysqlcc 2003-09-29 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Need Apple PowerBook G4 Power supply 2003-09-29 Kenneth Dombrowski <kenneth-at-ylayali.net> Re: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Anyone up for an actual tech meeting? [dan-at-acm.poly.edu] 2003-09-29 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Need Apple PowerBook G4 Power supply 2003-09-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: RE: computer resources [MHandy-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu] 2003-09-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Chicago Tribune Copyright Ethics Quiz 2003-09-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected 2003-09-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected 2003-09-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Junior programmer for financial institution (onsite), United States, New York, New York] 2003-09-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Anyone up for an actual tech meeting? [dan-at-acm.poly.edu] 2003-09-29 joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com Re: [hangout] Scribus 1.1.0 2003-09-29 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Scribus 1.1.0 2003-09-28 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Scribus 1.1.0 2003-09-26 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected 2003-09-26 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Tech Nite changes 2003-09-26 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected 2003-09-26 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected 2003-09-26 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected 2003-09-26 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected 2003-09-26 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected 2003-09-26 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected 2003-09-26 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected 2003-09-26 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected 2003-09-26 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected 2003-09-26 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected 2003-09-26 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected 2003-09-26 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected 2003-09-26 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected 2003-09-26 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Microsoft: National Security Threat? 2003-09-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Dave Please Follow Up [MHandy-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu] 2003-09-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Much Insite as an aside to the SCO case 2003-09-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tech Nite changes 2003-09-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] No Call List hung up in Court 2003-09-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] P2P - front page of the NY Times 2003-09-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Deslexic Grandma Sued by RIAA: P2P Awakening 2003-09-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Target for NY Fair Use 2003-09-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Movies Fair Use 2003-09-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [gus-at-inodes.org: Re: What's going on with Embperl???] 2003-09-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Help needed this Embperl Development: What's going on with Embperl??? 2003-09-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl 1 Class happening from tonight and notes 2003-09-24 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl 1 Class happening from tonight and notes 2003-09-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Perl 1 Class happening from tonight and notes 2003-09-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [nycwireless] RIAA's mistake highlights 802.11 vulnerability 2003-09-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [nycwireless] RIAA's mistake highlights 802.11 vulnerability 2003-09-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Talking about 12 year-old copyright violators... See "The New Yorker" cover for Sept. 29. 2003-09-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fighting the Microsoft Mail Bomb 2003-09-24 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Fighting the Microsoft Mail Bomb 2003-09-24 From: "Ruben" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fighting the Microsoft Mail Bomb 2003-09-24 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Important Conference which we need to attend 2003-09-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Important Conference which we need to attend 2003-09-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Computer Associates' Open Innovation Strategy takes Linux to ente 2003-09-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] HP Expected to Indemnify Linux Customers 2003-09-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Important Conference which we need to attend 2003-09-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [nylxs-announce] Linux Scene Calender for Today 2003-09-24 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] sspamassassin 2003-09-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Important Conference which we need to attend 2003-09-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] RE:Business application SW for Linux 2003-09-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: computer resources 2003-09-23 Nat Friedman <nat-at-ximian.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: computer resources 2003-09-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: computer resources 2003-09-22 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Come out and hang flyers. 2003-09-22 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] RE: tomorrow: Orientation Board Meeting and FSI Planning Meeting 2003-09-22 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: Re: [wwwac] Identity Theft] 2003-09-19 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] sspamassassin 2003-09-19 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] sspamassassin 2003-09-18 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Slackware Linux 9.1 Beta 2 Available 2003-09-18 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Will a New Software Strategy Lift the Dark Clouds Over Sun? 2003-09-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Los Alamos Linux cluster to keep watch on nukes 2003-09-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Open source helps education effort in Third World 2003-09-30 Mitzu Handy <MHandy-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu> RE: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans 2003-09-30 Mitzu Handy <MHandy-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu> RE: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans 2003-09-30 Mitzu Handy <MHandy-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu> Subject: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans 2003-09-30 From: "Mark S. Gold" <MARK-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu> Subject: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans 2003-09-30 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft agrees to TRON tie-up 2003-09-30 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0 2003-09-30 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0 2003-09-29 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Need Apple PowerBook G4 Power supply 2003-09-26 Mark Bucciarelli <mark-at-hubcapconsulting.com> Subject: [hangout] Chicago Tribune Copyright Ethics Quiz 2003-09-26 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft Holdout Massachusetts Opts For Open Source 2003-09-26 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft: National Security Threat? 2003-09-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Important Conference which we need to attend 2003-09-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Danger Zone 2003-09-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] China Linux lobby a major threat to Microsoft Windows 2003-09-19 From: "akbar pasha" <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting Minutes - Tahdah 2003-09-17 From: "akbar pasha" <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] [Fwd: [wwwac] job: (Recruiter) contract - Nassau county, NY - C# SQL-server] 2003-09-09 From: "akbar pasha" <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] Sex Needed 2003-09-09 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Sex Needed 2003-09-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Sex Needed 2003-09-07 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Materials 2003-09-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: CYCLONES PLAYOFF TIX ON SALE NOW! [info-at-brooklyncyclones.com] 2003-09-16 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [DMCA_Discuss] Should Microsoft be Liable for Bugs? (fwd) 2003-09-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Moving from Slashdot to SlashDo NYLXS are Do'ers and the first step of Doing is Joining! Join NYLXS and make a difference in your community today!