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DATE 2003-09-24
FROM From: "Inker, Evan"
SUBJECT Subject: [hangout] Danger Zone

Danger Zone
http://www.cbronline.com/magazine/56c261d7c664657f80256da6005163fb

When CEO Steve Ballmer visited Munich's Mayor this year, Microsoft was
wheeling out the big guns. On Mayor Christian Ude's table was a study
advocating that Germany's third largest city rip out Windows NT and Office
from 14,000 machines and replace it with Linux backed by IBM, for a better
return on investment (ROI).

According to SuSE Linux, who worked with IBM on the Munich contract, Ballmer
came armed with offers of extended support options and use of the unreleased
Office 2003. Ballmer's offer, however, was rejected and a $35m IT contract,
plus a major public relations coup, was handed to the open source community.

Munich's officials wanted to regain control over their IT infrastructure.
One way the city feared it might lose that control was by being forced to
upgrade its software at the behest of the incumbent supplier - Microsoft.
That fear appeared all too real with the introduction of a software upgrade
program by Microsoft last summer, which introduced a fixed-term subscription
upgrade program, Software Assurance (SA), and generated a wave of protests
among customers.

Microsoft has since spent $20m, modified support contracts and also delayed
the program's introduction in an attempt to appease users. However, while
Microsoft has struggled, competitors have prepared strategies to capture
customers rejecting Windows for both their desktops and servers. So what
went wrong?

Paying for Microsoft's business

software has never been easy. Added to the generally accepted industry
approach of a volume purchasing agreement, of which Microsoft has four, the
company also charges customers using its server software a Client Access
Licence (CAL) for access from a PC. In addition, until last summer it
operated four different upgrade programs based on different price models.

Licensing 6.0 replaced these programs - Upgrade Advantage (UA), Version
Upgrade Program (VUP), Product Upgrade Program (PUP) and Competitive Upgrade
Program (CUP) - with just one, SA. An SA contract lasts two or three years
and is charged as a percentage of the desktop and server licence price.
Rebecca LaBrunerie, product manager for Microsoft's worldwide licensing,
says Microsoft's old upgrade programs caused an administrative nightmare for
customers. When it prepared SA, Microsoft was responding to customers'
requests to make life easier, she says. "We saw enough demand that we turned
it into a program. We had a lot of customers saying, 'I can't manage and
track my products.'"

Microsoft also launched Enterprise Agreement Subscription (EAS), a
three-year contract for customers who wished to subscribe rather then
purchase their software and which automatically enrolled customers in SA.
LaBrunerie says EAS was designed for companies that wished to lease their
software in the same way they leased other business equipment, such as
photocopiers or coffee machines.

Customer insurgence

While Licensing 6.0 may have seemed rational to planners at Microsoft, it
seemed anything but logical to customers who saw the program as a means of
forcing them to upgrade to the latest versions of Windows and keep the tills
ringing at Redmond.

An April 2002 survey of CIOs, CTOs and COOs at 1,500 corporations found that
37% refused to sign up to Licensing 6.0. The survey, conducted by Sunbelt
Software and researcher Information Technology Intelligence Corp (ITIC),
found 38% of respondents threatening to investigate relevant alternatives to
Windows such as Linux, Unix, Sun Microsystems' StarOffice and Novell's
eDirectory.

The main problem was SA. According to Sunbelt and ICTC, most companies do
not upgrade every two to three years. The majority, 57%, upgrade every four
to five years, resulting in 90% claiming they would be worse off and 36%
saying they could not afford the changes.

A look at the state of Microsoft's user base lends weight to the argument
that Microsoft is forcing customers to upgrade. Office 97 today accounts for
30% of the installation base, meaning customers have ignored Office 98,
Office 2000 and XP, with Office 2003 now ready. Exchange Server 5.5,
meanwhile, accounts for up to 60% of the installation base, as customers
disregarded Exchange Server 2000.

Paul DeGroot, an analyst tracking licensing for Directions on Microsoft,
says: "At the time, the feeling [at Microsoft] was, 'Let's find a way to get
annuity from people sticking on older versions of software.'" This is a
claim that LaBrunerie refutes.

A second issue with SA is that while an SA contract may provide you with
upgrade rights to a new product when it is launched, customers have no
guarantee that Microsoft will launch a new version of a product during the
lifetime of their contract.

DeGroot says it is difficult to justify SA to a purchasing manager because
actual product is not guaranteed, meaning that an IT director is gambling on
Microsoft's roadmap. "You are betting that in the time of your agreement
Microsoft will produce an upgrade that is sufficiently compelling."
LaBrunerie denies that SA is a gamble, more what she calls a "very big
decision". "You will have to look at your IT strategy and ask 'what does the
CIO want to do?'"

SA causes another problem, as customers stand to pay more for certain
Windows products during the lifetime of a two- or three-year SA contract,
than if they simply bought the software. SA is charged at 29% of the licence
per year for desktop products such as Office and 25% for servers such as SQL
Server. Fees can be paid in advance or instalments.

Prohibitive expense

Windows Server 2003 Standard Edition has an approximate retail price of
$999. Customers will have to pay $999 to buy the server operating system,
followed by $750 for a three-year SA contract. At the end of the contract
another $750 will be required to cover the next three-year period, amounting
to a total spend of $1,500 in four years.

SA is also more expensive as an upgrade program for certain products than
past programs such as UA or VUP. According to an old Microsoft price list,
upgrading to any future Windows Server, such as Windows Server 2003, from
Windows NT would have cost $531 under UA with the volume Open Licence Plan
(OLP). Moving to Windows Server 2000 from Windows NT via VUP, on the OLP,
would have been even cheaper - $369.

LaBrunerie counters that companies can receive "deep discounts". A customer
running 250 PCs, the minimum requirement for EAS, who takes the client
operating system, Office Professional or Standard Edition, plus the core
Client Access License (CAL) that is sold with Windows Server, SMS, Exchange
Server and SharePoint Portal Server, can get up to 30% discount, plus an
additional 15% saving on SA.

Armed with these figures, Microsoft blames opposition on confusion, which
the company admits it helped to create. LaBrunerie points out that
organisations are not actually compelled to sign up to SA and claims SA has
been misrepresented as a subscription program when it is actually a
"maintenance offering".
Recognising that a problem existed, Microsoft delayed introduction of
Licensing 6.0 by six months from 1 October 2001. As the new deadline
approached,
however, the opposition dug-in, and customers signed-up to UA rather than
SA. This rush caused a 26% spike in Microsoft's net revenue, to $7.75bn for
the three-month fiscal period covering SA's launch on 1 August 2002. CFO
John Connors told Wall Street: "We saw a lot of demand for UA, in advance of
the 31 July date. Much more than expected."

Value-add retrofits

Basking in hindsight, Microsoft is now retrofitting SA with offerings it
hopes will add "value" and encourage customers to subscribe. Now included
under SA are home-use rights, a move that will bring many companies into
compliance, subscriptions to the TechNet online training service, that
normally cost $999 per person a year, telephone support for servers and
Internet support for PCs.

Two temporary programs were also launched that echo the deleted VUP. For a
limited time, SA customers can move from Standard Editions of Exchange
Server, among other server products, to Enterprise Edition, and from
Standard Editions of Office 2003 to Professional without requiring new
licences.

However, the changes may be too late to stop the cracks. A Yankee Group and
Sunbelt survey of 1,000 technology managers, conduced when Licensing 6.0 was
being introduced in March 2003, found that while 28% had signed-up, 60% said
their software fees had increased. The survey also revealed that up to 5% of
respondents plan to switch their PCs from Windows to Linux and up to 9% are
"seriously considering" switching servers.

One organisation keeping an open mind is the Met Office. The weather service
has moved 400 HP-UX users to a Red Hat 9.0 and Intel platform running
Ximian's open source Evolution email, workgroup and personal information
manager.

The organisation is also moving 800 Windows NT users to Windows 2000, but
says Licensing 6.0 served as a wake-up call, warning them Microsoft could
increase its prices again. John MacGrillen, systems developer, says the Met
budgeted a "hefty figure" to cope with Licensing 6.0, but calls the move to
Linux an experiment, in case a decision is also taken to switch the 800
Windows users to Linux.

Richard Seibt, CEO of IBM's Munich partner SuSE, says that once news of
Munich broke, his company received many calls from local authorities in
Europe and Britain interested in migrating from Windows to Linux. "Munich
wanted to control its IT budget and wanted to be independent. They didn't
want to be forced into the licensing and payment model that was being
offered," he says.

Competitors like SuSE have recognised new opportunities arising in the
desktop and desktop productivity market. Microsoft has roughly 90% of the
desktop suite market, according to Gartner. Linux and open source have, in
recent years, failed to offer user-friendly applications or suppliers whose
models were suited to most customers. However, this situation could now be
changing.

Ximian, who supplied the Met Office, offers Evolution as an Outlook-style
client for Unix and Linux, with a Connector to plug into Exchange Servers.
It also offers a complete desktop package with Evolution, including a
version of the OpenOffice open source desktop productivity suite, Mozilla
browser and Instant Messaging for $99. That compares to a recommended retail
price of $399 for Microsoft's Office XP Standard Edition and $499 for the
Professional Edition.

Following Ximian's acquisition by Novell in August, products such as
Evolution will now come to market via a network of 4,000 channel partners,
while Ximian's desktop is expected to become Novell's Linux desktop in the
long term. Novell will also develop a Linux version of GroupWise early next
year, effectively providing a respectable open source collaboration suite
overnight.

Sun Microsystems is also in the game. This month the company will launch
Project Mad Hatter, an Intel-based desktop running its version of OpenOffice
called StarOffice, Mozilla browser, Instant Messaging, Java Runtime and Java
Card security. StarOffice is currently priced at $79.95 and senior VP for
Sun's software group, Jonathan Schwartz, claims that Mad Hatter will be
between 80% and 90% less expensive than an equivalent Microsoft quote for
SA.
"Microsoft has made a fatal misstep on the desktop by raising the price with
Software Assurance at a time when everyone is under crushing price
pressure," says Schwartz. "The net is, we are in the desktop business again
and we foresee a huge opportunity."

Indirect competition

Neither Ximian nor Sun plans to repeat past industry mistakes, by tackling
the Microsoft desktop monolith head-on. Instead, they favour an indirect
approach, pitching organisations with small budgets, or those using just a
handful of applications, such as call centres and governments, who cannot
justify the price of a full desktop productivity suite such as Office. While
such customers are not big IT spenders, they are an important link in the IT
chain. If they switch, suppliers often follow them - especially in
government - for the sake of regulatory compliance or business continuity.

It would be wrong to write Microsoft off. The company's annual revenue for
fiscal 2003 was an impressive $32bn, while it owns a lucrative Office
business whose income grew 5% in the fourth quarter to $102m. However,
Microsoft's licensing planners have needlessly exposed a flank with SA,
allowing customers to think about what they want to spend and where.

CBR Opinion

Microsoft's decision to launch a controversial and unpopular software
upgrade program, SA, has given many pause for thought. Users are evaluating
whether they want to pay for Windows and be tied to the fortunes of a
single, one-stop supplier, or whether to diversify both their IT and
suppliers. IT directors are in a powerful position. Microsoft is on the back
foot, attempting to make SA more palatable, and the company is in a
deal-making mood.

Companies should closely examine SA, evaluate the permutations for a variety
of product and discount scenarios, and then sit down with Microsoft and
haggle - hard. Microsoft spent $20m to win back customers' loyalty; let it
prove how much it wants your business.



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  62. 2003-09-03 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] unInteresting article on Valenti
  63. 2003-09-03 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] We Have Met the Enemy, and He is Us
  64. 2003-09-03 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] We Have Met the Enemy, and He is Us
  65. 2003-09-03 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Interesting article on Valenti in this months Business2.0.
  66. 2003-09-02 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Interesting article on Valenti in this months
  67. 2003-09-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [seminars-at-covalent.net: Web Seminar on Apache 2.0]
  68. 2003-09-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Very instersting job with School System
  69. 2003-09-02 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] unInteresting article on Valenti
  70. 2003-09-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Subject: [hangout] unInteresting article on Valenti
  71. 2003-09-02 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Interesting article on Valenti in this months Business2.0.
  72. 2003-09-02 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Rockin' on without Microsoft
  73. 2003-09-02 Joe Grastara <joe-at-endeavor.med.nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Interesting article on Valenti in this months
  74. 2003-09-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNOME Developers Summit
  75. 2003-09-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Meeting
  76. 2003-09-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Bank and FSI Classes
  77. 2003-09-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Bank and FSI Classes
  78. 2003-09-01 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] please join in the protest
  79. 2003-09-01 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] please join in the protest
  80. 2003-09-10 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Domestic political terrorists
  81. 2003-09-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Domestic political terrorists
  82. 2003-09-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Paging David Sugar
  83. 2003-09-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Ms Crips
  84. 2003-09-10 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Ms Crips
  85. 2003-09-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software Developers Summit at Brooklyn College
  86. 2003-09-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Meeting Minutes - Tahdah
  87. 2003-09-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FSI Class Announcements
  88. 2003-09-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] SCO Pleads ...
  89. 2003-09-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Vacation in the Persian Gulf
  90. 2003-09-11 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] SCO Pleads ...
  91. 2003-09-11 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IRC meeting tommorow night at 11:00
  92. 2003-09-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [html-at-ssc.com: SuitWatch - September 11]
  93. 2003-09-11 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] FW: 911
  94. 2003-09-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Novell eyes role of Linux champion
  95. 2003-09-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Novell 'puts entire ecosystem behind Linux'
  96. 2003-09-09 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Report says schools are unfair to America
  97. 2003-09-11 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Wind River terminating BSD/OS
  98. 2003-09-11 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Domestic political terrorists
  99. 2003-09-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Domestic political terrorists
  100. 2003-09-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Volunteers needed for leafleting of the classes
  101. 2003-09-11 Joe Grastara <joe-at-endeavor.med.nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Interesting article on Valenti in this months
  102. 2003-09-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Interesting article on Valenti in this months Business2.0.
  103. 2003-09-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Oh .. You Gotta have Heart.....
  104. 2003-09-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft bit by patents
  105. 2003-09-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Broad band and the law Suites
  106. 2003-09-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: IRC meeting tommorow night at 11:00
  107. 2003-09-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] More on the RIAA Lawsuites: We should start a Brianna LaHara Defense Fund
  108. 2003-09-11 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] IRC meeting tommorow night at 11:00
  109. 2003-09-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The RIAA is finally making our case
  110. 2003-09-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: [ NYLXS Education Committee ] Re: Free Software Meeting in NYC [rms-at-gnu.org]
  111. 2003-09-11 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Free Software Developers Summit at Brooklyn College
  112. 2003-09-11 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Microsoft bit by patents
  113. 2003-09-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Microsoft bit by patents
  114. 2003-09-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNIME Meeting Planning Meeting
  115. 2003-09-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: IRC meeting tommorow night at 11:00
  116. 2003-09-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [fairuse] [nylug-talk] The RIAA is finally making our case [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  117. 2003-09-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [nylug-talk] The RIAA is finally making our case [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  118. 2003-09-12 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Ex-Apple Employee Slams Company / Who Killed Apple Computer?
  119. 2003-09-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The Unix Error
  120. 2003-09-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [ NYLXS Education Committee ] Re: Free Software Meeting in NYC
  121. 2003-09-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Taxation without Representation: The Microsoft Nation
  122. 2003-09-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Perl Coder needed - Graduate of Perl 1 and Perl 2 perfered
  123. 2003-09-12 Robert Marino <prmarino-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] System Specs - Mike (fwd)
  124. 2003-09-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] The Unix Error
  125. 2003-09-12 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] The Unix Error
  126. 2003-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Paging Bill Putney
  127. 2003-09-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tech Nite tonight
  128. 2003-09-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Security Alert: In the wild exploit damages data and OS
  129. 2003-09-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The shaping of young minds:
  130. 2003-09-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] P2P is moral and upright
  131. 2003-09-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Downloading in the News
  132. 2003-09-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [learn] Free Software Institute Classes
  133. 2003-09-19 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] DRM and the Upgrade Escalator is starting Now
  134. 2003-09-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Balmer: MS is being ripped off by the net
  135. 2003-09-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Balmer: MS is being ripped off by the net
  136. 2003-09-19 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Balmer: MS is being ripped off by the net
  137. 2003-09-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting Minutes - Tahdah
  138. 2003-09-19 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Balmer: MS is being ripped off by the net
  139. 2003-09-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Balmer: MS is being ripped off by the net
  140. 2003-09-19 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] update from WindowsRefund.net
  141. 2003-09-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] sspamassassin
  142. 2003-09-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] sspamassassin
  143. 2003-09-19 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] sspamassassin
  144. 2003-09-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] News from the Middle East: Report of tourture chambers in Iraq
  145. 2003-09-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] sspamassassin
  146. 2003-09-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] sspamassassin
  147. 2003-09-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting Minutes - Tahdah
  148. 2003-09-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting Minutes - Tahdah
  149. 2003-09-19 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting Minutes - Tahdah
  150. 2003-09-19 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] sspamassassin
  151. 2003-09-19 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] sspamassassin
  152. 2003-09-19 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting Minutes - Tahdah
  153. 2003-09-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] sspamassassin
  154. 2003-09-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Museum of the Day 2
  155. 2003-09-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting Minutes - Tahdah
  156. 2003-09-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYC Job for Linux
  157. 2003-09-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Meeting Minutes - Tahdah
  158. 2003-09-19 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] 65% of ATMs will run Windows by 2005
  159. 2003-09-19 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] September 12, 2001
  160. 2003-09-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] sspamassassin
  161. 2003-09-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Gnome Summitt Web Page
  162. 2003-09-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] rms-at-gnu.org: Re: GNOME Summit
  163. 2003-09-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Will a New Software Strategy Lift the Dark Clouds Over Sun?
  164. 2003-09-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Your Linux Today Security Letter for September 18, 2003 [reply-52dc-1808-2f6b114cd7-at-nl.internet.com]
  165. 2003-09-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [suse-security-announce] SuSE Security Announcement: openssh (second release) (SuSE-SA:2003:039) [draht-at-suse.de]
  166. 2003-09-18 Nat Friedman <nat-at-ximian.com> Re: [hangout] Gnome Summitt Web Page
  167. 2003-09-18 Luis Villa <louie-at-ximian.com> Re: [hangout] Gnome Summitt Web Page
  168. 2003-09-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Gnome Summitt Web Page
  169. 2003-09-18 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Gnome Summitt Web Page
  170. 2003-09-18 Luis Villa <louie-at-ximian.com> Re: [hangout] Gnome Summitt Web Page
  171. 2003-09-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: What's going on with Embperl???
  172. 2003-09-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Memebership Committee Meeting
  173. 2003-09-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Memebership Committee Meeting
  174. 2003-09-17 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Gnome Summitt Web Page
  175. 2003-09-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Gnome Summitt Web Page
  176. 2003-09-17 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Gnome Summitt Web Page
  177. 2003-09-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] September 12, 2001
  178. 2003-09-17 Luis Villa <louie-at-ximian.com> Re: [hangout] Gnome Summitt Web Page
  179. 2003-09-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Looking for
  180. 2003-09-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Gnome Summitt Web Page
  181. 2003-09-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNOME SUmmit Plan
  182. 2003-09-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [Fwd: [wwwac] job: (Recruiter) contract - Nassau county, NY - C# SQL-server]
  183. 2003-09-17 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] [Fwd: [wwwac] job: (Recruiter) contract - Nassau county, NY - C# SQL-server]
  184. 2003-09-17 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: [wwwac] job: (Recruiter) contract - Nassau county, NY - C#
  185. 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [learn] In IBM we trust
  186. 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] In IBM we trust
  187. 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] DRM and the Upgrade Escalator is starting Now
  188. 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The latest on the WTC Development
  189. 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FCC is being undressed in a broad way. Can the RIAA be far behind?
  190. 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Librarians strike back
  191. 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Who to do Business With - and it is not Alex Pilosoft
  192. 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] ISP Privacy in apealet court
  193. 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Pluggin Patents Upheld - Threatens Internet
  194. 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] American Graphitti
  195. 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Twistie Turnie WTC
  196. 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FSI Flyer
  197. 2003-09-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Perl Developer/Systems Administrator (onsite), United States, NY, New York]
  198. 2003-09-16 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Los Alamos Linux cluster to keep watch on nukes
  199. 2003-09-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Los Alamos Linux cluster to keep watch on nukes
  200. 2003-09-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Perl DBI Applications Programmer wanted for small company. Telecommute. (telecommute), United States, MD, Baltimore]
  201. 2003-09-16 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Los Alamos Linux cluster to keep watch on nukes
  202. 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Los Alamos Linux cluster to keep watch on nukes
  203. 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Los Alamos Linux cluster to keep watch on nukes
  204. 2003-09-15 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: [wwwac] JOB: Full-time E-Marketing Manager for Consumer
  205. 2003-09-15 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: [wwwac] JOB: STAFF DIGITAL PHOTOGRAPHER - E-Commerce Site]
  206. 2003-09-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Free Software Developers Summit at Brooklyn College
  207. 2003-09-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] follow ups
  208. 2003-09-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [reply-517e-1807-2f6b114cd7-at-nl.internet.com: Your Linux PR newsletter for September 15, 2003]
  209. 2003-09-15 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] follow ups
  210. 2003-09-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The Bottom Line is closing
  211. 2003-09-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] See I am BRILENT
  212. 2003-09-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Public could care less about RIAA
  213. 2003-09-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Public could care less about RIAA
  214. 2003-09-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Need to get the phone put in at Kings Games
  215. 2003-09-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYC is hostage to the Microsoft nation:
  216. 2003-09-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FSI Web Page
  217. 2003-09-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] I'll be a little late tonight
  218. 2003-09-14 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Back in touch
  219. 2003-09-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux Scene Calender for Today
  220. 2003-09-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Weekly NYLXS Announcments
  221. 2003-09-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The RIAA is finally making our case
  222. 2003-09-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The RIAA is finally making ourcase
  223. 2003-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Perl Reporting and Application Developer. (onsite), NY, New York, New York]
  224. 2003-09-13 akbar <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] FSI Web Page
  225. 2003-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux Job
  226. 2003-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FSI Web Page
  227. 2003-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FSI Web Page
  228. 2003-09-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] tomorrow: Orientation Board Meeting and FSI Planning Meeting
  229. 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  230. 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  231. 2003-09-30 Nat Friedman <nat-at-ximian.com> Re: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  232. 2003-09-30 Mitzu Handy <MHandy-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu> RE: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  233. 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  234. 2003-09-30 Mitzu Handy <MHandy-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu> RE: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  235. 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  236. 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: GNOME Conference Plans
  237. 2003-09-30 Mitzu Handy <MHandy-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu> Subject: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  238. 2003-09-30 Nat Friedman <nat-at-ximian.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: GNOME Conference Plans
  239. 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  240. 2003-09-30 From: "Mark S. Gold" <MARK-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu> Subject: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  241. 2003-09-30 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: GNOME Conference Plans
  242. 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0
  243. 2003-09-30 bruce-at-perens.com (Bruce Perens) RE: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0
  244. 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNOME Conference Plans
  245. 2003-09-30 bruce-at-perens.com (Bruce Perens) RE: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0
  246. 2003-09-30 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0
  247. 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0
  248. 2003-09-30 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0
  249. 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0
  250. 2003-09-30 bruce-at-perens.com (Bruce Perens) Re: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0
  251. 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Spam from your Circuits
  252. 2003-09-30 From: "J L" <lokokool-at-hotmail.com> Subject: [hangout] Putting a lid on broadband use
  253. 2003-09-30 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0
  254. 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] How to Get Attention without dropping your pants
  255. 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Ransom Love on SCO
  256. 2003-09-29 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Need Apple PowerBook G4 Power supply
  257. 2003-09-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Technite Move? Vote?
  258. 2003-09-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Need Apple PowerBook G4 Power supply
  259. 2003-09-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] mysqlcc
  260. 2003-09-29 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] mysqlcc
  261. 2003-09-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Anyone up for an actual tech meeting? [dan-at-acm.poly.edu]
  262. 2003-09-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Need Apple PowerBook G4 Power supply
  263. 2003-09-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] mysqlcc
  264. 2003-09-29 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] mysqlcc
  265. 2003-09-29 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Need Apple PowerBook G4 Power supply
  266. 2003-09-29 Kenneth Dombrowski <kenneth-at-ylayali.net> Re: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Anyone up for an actual tech meeting? [dan-at-acm.poly.edu]
  267. 2003-09-29 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Need Apple PowerBook G4 Power supply
  268. 2003-09-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: RE: computer resources [MHandy-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu]
  269. 2003-09-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Chicago Tribune Copyright Ethics Quiz
  270. 2003-09-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  271. 2003-09-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  272. 2003-09-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Junior programmer for financial institution (onsite), United States, New York, New York]
  273. 2003-09-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Anyone up for an actual tech meeting? [dan-at-acm.poly.edu]
  274. 2003-09-29 joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com Re: [hangout] Scribus 1.1.0
  275. 2003-09-29 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Scribus 1.1.0
  276. 2003-09-28 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Scribus 1.1.0
  277. 2003-09-26 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  278. 2003-09-26 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Tech Nite changes
  279. 2003-09-26 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  280. 2003-09-26 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  281. 2003-09-26 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  282. 2003-09-26 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  283. 2003-09-26 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  284. 2003-09-26 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  285. 2003-09-26 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  286. 2003-09-26 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  287. 2003-09-26 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  288. 2003-09-26 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  289. 2003-09-26 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  290. 2003-09-26 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  291. 2003-09-26 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  292. 2003-09-26 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Microsoft: National Security Threat?
  293. 2003-09-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Dave Please Follow Up [MHandy-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu]
  294. 2003-09-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Much Insite as an aside to the SCO case
  295. 2003-09-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tech Nite changes
  296. 2003-09-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] No Call List hung up in Court
  297. 2003-09-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] P2P - front page of the NY Times
  298. 2003-09-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Deslexic Grandma Sued by RIAA: P2P Awakening
  299. 2003-09-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Target for NY Fair Use
  300. 2003-09-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Movies Fair Use
  301. 2003-09-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [gus-at-inodes.org: Re: What's going on with Embperl???]
  302. 2003-09-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Help needed this Embperl Development: What's going on with Embperl???
  303. 2003-09-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl 1 Class happening from tonight and notes
  304. 2003-09-24 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl 1 Class happening from tonight and notes
  305. 2003-09-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Perl 1 Class happening from tonight and notes
  306. 2003-09-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [nycwireless] RIAA's mistake highlights 802.11 vulnerability
  307. 2003-09-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [nycwireless] RIAA's mistake highlights 802.11 vulnerability
  308. 2003-09-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Talking about 12 year-old copyright violators... See "The New Yorker" cover for Sept. 29.
  309. 2003-09-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fighting the Microsoft Mail Bomb
  310. 2003-09-24 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Fighting the Microsoft Mail Bomb
  311. 2003-09-24 From: "Ruben" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fighting the Microsoft Mail Bomb
  312. 2003-09-24 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Important Conference which we need to attend
  313. 2003-09-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Important Conference which we need to attend
  314. 2003-09-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Computer Associates' Open Innovation Strategy takes Linux to ente
  315. 2003-09-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] HP Expected to Indemnify Linux Customers
  316. 2003-09-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Important Conference which we need to attend
  317. 2003-09-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [nylxs-announce] Linux Scene Calender for Today
  318. 2003-09-24 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] sspamassassin
  319. 2003-09-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Important Conference which we need to attend
  320. 2003-09-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] RE:Business application SW for Linux
  321. 2003-09-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: computer resources
  322. 2003-09-23 Nat Friedman <nat-at-ximian.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: computer resources
  323. 2003-09-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: computer resources
  324. 2003-09-22 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Come out and hang flyers.
  325. 2003-09-22 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] RE: tomorrow: Orientation Board Meeting and FSI Planning Meeting
  326. 2003-09-22 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: Re: [wwwac] Identity Theft]
  327. 2003-09-19 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] sspamassassin
  328. 2003-09-19 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] sspamassassin
  329. 2003-09-18 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Slackware Linux 9.1 Beta 2 Available
  330. 2003-09-18 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Will a New Software Strategy Lift the Dark Clouds Over Sun?
  331. 2003-09-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Los Alamos Linux cluster to keep watch on nukes
  332. 2003-09-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Open source helps education effort in Third World
  333. 2003-09-30 Mitzu Handy <MHandy-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu> RE: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  334. 2003-09-30 Mitzu Handy <MHandy-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu> RE: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  335. 2003-09-30 Mitzu Handy <MHandy-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu> Subject: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  336. 2003-09-30 From: "Mark S. Gold" <MARK-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu> Subject: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  337. 2003-09-30 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft agrees to TRON tie-up
  338. 2003-09-30 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0
  339. 2003-09-30 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0
  340. 2003-09-29 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Need Apple PowerBook G4 Power supply
  341. 2003-09-26 Mark Bucciarelli <mark-at-hubcapconsulting.com> Subject: [hangout] Chicago Tribune Copyright Ethics Quiz
  342. 2003-09-26 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft Holdout Massachusetts Opts For Open Source
  343. 2003-09-26 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft: National Security Threat?
  344. 2003-09-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Important Conference which we need to attend
  345. 2003-09-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Danger Zone
  346. 2003-09-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] China Linux lobby a major threat to Microsoft Windows
  347. 2003-09-19 From: "akbar pasha" <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting Minutes - Tahdah
  348. 2003-09-17 From: "akbar pasha" <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] [Fwd: [wwwac] job: (Recruiter) contract - Nassau county, NY - C# SQL-server]
  349. 2003-09-09 From: "akbar pasha" <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] Sex Needed
  350. 2003-09-09 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Sex Needed
  351. 2003-09-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Sex Needed
  352. 2003-09-07 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Materials
  353. 2003-09-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: CYCLONES PLAYOFF TIX ON SALE NOW! [info-at-brooklyncyclones.com]
  354. 2003-09-16 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [DMCA_Discuss] Should Microsoft be Liable for Bugs? (fwd)
  355. 2003-09-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Moving from Slashdot to SlashDo

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