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| DATE | 2004-01-16 |
| FROM | Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS
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| SUBJECT | Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 23:03:49 -0500
From: Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS
To: Steve Milo
Cc: Adam Kosmin , hangout-at-nylxs.com
Subject: Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
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It was is Arizona? Or was it Mexico?
You didn't go to Texas, did you?
Ruben
On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 09:21:05AM -0400, Steve Milo wrote:
>
> Yeah, I'm a Microsoft spy Adam thats me. I have a friend who works at
> Microsoft at their Dallas headqaurters. In fact thats why I was in
> Arizona...I mean New Mexico..no wait Texas.
>
> Have you spoken to your ancestry yet? Dont forget to tell them to go
> back where they came from because they didnt study the Constitution.
>
> Steve M
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Adam Kosmin
> Date: Friday, January 16, 2004 8:05 am
> Subject: Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
>
> >
> > In fact, what are you doing on this list? It's obvious to me that you
> > could care less about Free Software. How about I go find you a
> > good MCSE
> > list where you'll obviously be more comfortable?
> >
> > Let me know and I'll send you a link or two.
> >
> > Adam
> >
> >
> > Steve Milo (slavik914-at-rennlist.com) wrote:
> > "
> > " I'm tired of listening to people pine away at how bad this that
> > or the
> > " other thing is.
> > "
> > " Your sarcasm and cynism is really sickening.
> > "
> > " You can mince words Adam, but I wont.
> > "
> > " Youre welcome,
> > " Steve M
> > "
> > " PS. Tell your ancestry to go back from where they came from,
> > because
> > " they didnt study the Constitution of the United States. Jack ass.
> > "
> > " > I know. I'm just sick of this Open Source mentality. The more
> > I think
> > " > about it, the more I realize what a true cop out it really is.
> > As a
> > " > subscriber to the Open Source way of thinking, I don't have to
> > " > have any
> > " > conviction, I don't have to have any morals, I don't have to
> > have any
> > " > conscious awareness as to the role my computing habits play in our
> > " > society.
> > " >
> > " > I can see why this is so successful in business.
> > " >
> > " > Adam
> > " >
> > " >
> > " > Mike Richardson - (NYLXS: President) (miker-at-mrbrklyn.com) wrote:
> > " > " Adam the philosphy of Free Software has to be taught as an
> > ongoing" > " repetaive lesson. You have New People who don't
> > know, and those
> > " > who speak
> > " > " about freedoms but have not read the defination of Free
> > Software
> > " > or the
> > " > " GPL in a while.
> > " > "
> > " > " On Fri, 16 Jan 2004, Adam Kosmin wrote:
> > " > "
> > " > " >
> > " > " > Steve Milo (slavik914-at-rennlist.com) wrote:
> > " > " > " > more functional, but it is not good enough because it
> > is
> > " > not free
> > " > " > " > (as in
> > " > " > " > speech) and therefore, damages to our society's
> > ability to
> > " > " > " > collaborate,innovate, and protect our privacy.
> > " > " > "
> > " > " > " Actually, more functional is much more than good enough,
> > if
> > " > the better
> > " > " > " more secure product is available from Microsoft then by
> > all
> > " > means it
> > " > " > " should be used.
> > " > " >
> > " > " > This is bullshit. This is exactly the kind of thinking
> > (common
> > " > to people
> > " > " > who subscribe to the Open Source philosophy) that
> > threatens
> > " > the adoption
> > " > " > of Free Software and (if not stopped) will allow Microsoft
> > to
> > " > build" > whatever toll gates they desire upon the virtual
> > roads
> > " > that we use to
> > " > " > collaborate and communicate.
> > " > " >
> > " > " >
> > " > " >
> > " > " > Not because it isn't 'free'..as in whatever. But
> > " > " > " because it does the job that is required of it. If the
> > Open
> > " > Source" > " community can come along and create an equal or
> > better
> > " > product then that
> > " > " > " software has earned its positions.
> > " > " >
> > " > " > Free as in whatever? How can you not appreciate the
> > freedoms
> > " > granted by
> > " > " > the GPL? This stuff is critical and I'd expect anyone
> > " > subscribed to this
> > " > " > list to be well versed in the benefits.
> > " > " >
> > " > " >
> > " > " >
> > " > " >
> > " > " >
> > " > " > If we are talking about widgets then
> > " > " > " the only thing that MS or any other proprietary company
> > is
> > " > guilty of is
> > " > " > " defending their products secrets. They haven't
> > infringed on
> > " > freedom of
> > " > " > " speech, they are using freedom to persue 'life and
> > liberty'.
> > " > If MS were
> > " > " > " to go out and seek a court order to silence its critics
> > that is
> > " > " > " infringing on freedom of speech. But as far as the
> > widget
> > " > is concerned,
> > " > " > " MS has everyright to create its product, they can run
> > around
> > " > and let
> > " > " > " their sales people tell you anything they want to get
> > their
> > " > product in
> > " > " > " your hands.
> > " > " >
> > " > " > I don't blame Microsoft for wanting world domination. I
> > blame
> > " > the idiots
> > " > " > who aren't bright enough to choose a different path and
> > who
> > " > are so
> > " > " > obsessed with fulfilling their own selfish short term
> > agendas
> > " > despite the
> > " > " > costs to innovation.
> > " > " >
> > " > " >
> > " > " > The fault is not with MS when a network crashes due to a
> > " > " > " virus, but the IT director who chose to use MS. In turn
> > " > compromising" > " the security of their organizations system.
> > No,
> > " > simply because MS is
> > " > " > " closed source is not a good enough reason to not
> > purchase
> > " > their product
> > " > " > " and anyone in this day and age will tell you that.
> > " > " >
> > " > " >
> > " > " > No one who understands and agrees with the goals of the
> > Free
> > " > Software" > movement will tell me this crap. Whether you
> > realize
> > " > it or not, your
> > " > " > statement and thinking has been fed to you by Open Source
> > friendly" > " > marketing departments. From where I'm sitting, I
> > see that this
> > " > is going
> > " > " > to be a HUGE problem going forward. People are jumping on
> > the
> > " > Linux" > bandwagon for all the wrong reasons. It's like
> > inviting
> > " > foreigners to
> > " > " > come over to the United States of America without studying the
> > " > " > Constitution!!!
> > " > " >
> > " > " >
> > " > " >
> > " > " > The reasons to go
> > " > " > " with Open Source is simply because its better. Its
> > better
> > " > on price
> > " > " > " point, its better on security, its better on
> > maintenance,
> > " > its better on
> > " > " > " support. Simply put, GNU/Linux/Open Source is just
> > better
> > " > and for those
> > " > " > " patriotic souls, is so very American. Open Source got
> > its
> > " > start in this
> > " > " > " country and is based on the same principles and values
> > that
> > " > were used
> > " > " > " when this country was founded. But using a better
> > product
> > " > is common
> > " > " > " sense. If MS creates a better OS than GNU/Linux I would
> > go
> > " > out and buy
> > " > " > " it. But it doesnt make a better OS, it only has a
> > stronger
> > " > marketing" > " machine. The problem with the Open Source
> > " > community is that too many
> > " > " > " people are hung up pining away at how MS is bad. We're
> > " > focusing on all
> > " > " > " the wrong points, the focus has to be turned away from
> > MS
> > " > and back onto
> > " > " > " Linux. If MS makes a better product thats fine the
> > problems
> > " > are the
> > " > " > " limitations imposed on reverse engineering for a better
> > " > product. The
> > " > " > " auto industry does it, the hardware manufacterers do it,
> > " > McDonalds does
> > " > " > " it. Everyone reverse engineers, its a normal patter of
> > critical" > " > " thinking. But the DMCA law doesnt allow reverse
> > " > engineering, not even
> > " > " > " to *not* make a profit.
> > " > " > "
> > " > " >
> > " > " > Obviously you know very little about the history of Open
> > " > Source since
> > " > " > you seem to think that it even has one. The term "Open
> > Source" is
> > " > " > nothing more than a recently created buzz term to sell
> > Free
> > " > Software to
> > " > " > people that don't have the capacity to understand the
> > moral
> > " > arguements of
> > " > " > the Free Software movement. That's it! (if you didn't get
> > that
> > " > last" > statement, read it over and over until it sinks in).
> > " > " >
> > " > " >
> > " > " > Adam Kosmin
> > " > " >
> > " > " >
> > " > " >
> > " > " >
> > " > " >
> > " > " > " Steve M
> > " > " > "
> > " > " > "
> > " > " >
> > " > " > --
> > " > " >
> > " > " > "Yes, Your Honor. Now, where we are so far, in at least my
> > " > " > line of reasoning, is I want to walk the Court through
> > enough
> > " > of our
> > " > " > complaint to help the Court understand that IBM clearly
> > did
> > " > contribute a
> > " > " > lot of the Unix-related information into Linux. We just
> > don't
> > " > know what
> > " > " > it is."
> > " > " >
> > " > " > -- Kevin McBride SCO vs. IBM 12/05/03
> > " > " > ____________________________
> > " > " > NYLXS: New Yorker Free Software Users Scene
> > " > " > Fair Use -
> > " > " > because it's either fair use or useless....
> > " > " > NYLXS is a trademark of NYLXS, Inc
> > " > " >
> > " > "
> > " > "
> > " >
> > " > --
> > " >
> > " > "Yes, Your Honor. Now, where we are so far, in at least my
> > " > line of reasoning, is I want to walk the Court through enough
> > of our
> > " > complaint to help the Court understand that IBM clearly did
> > " > contribute a
> > " > lot of the Unix-related information into Linux. We just don't
> > know
> > " > whatit is."
> > " >
> > " > -- Kevin McBride SCO vs. IBM 12/05/03
> > " > ____________________________
> > " > NYLXS: New Yorker Free Software Users Scene
> > " > Fair Use -
> > " > because it's either fair use or useless....
> > " > NYLXS is a trademark of NYLXS, Inc
> > " >
> > "
> > " ____________________________
> > " NYLXS: New Yorker Free Software Users Scene
> > " Fair Use -
> > " because it's either fair use or useless....
> > " NYLXS is a trademark of NYLXS, Inc
> > "
> >
> > --
> >
> > "Yes, Your Honor. Now, where we are so far, in at least my
> > line of reasoning, is I want to walk the Court through enough of our
> > complaint to help the Court understand that IBM clearly did
> > contribute a
> > lot of the Unix-related information into Linux. We just don't know
> > whatit is."
> >
> > -- Kevin McBride SCO vs. IBM 12/05/03
> >
>
> ____________________________
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