MESSAGE
| DATE | 2004-01-16 |
| FROM | Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS
|
| SUBJECT | Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
|
We would need to get Bob Arum (yes that is Liz Arum's father) to promote
the event and to get the Atlantic City bookies to make odds :)
BTW - Did anyone else see that great mug shot of Liz Arum's dad in the
NY Sun today?
Ruben
On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 11:15:07AM -0500, Joe Grastara wrote:
>
> Adam, Steve,
>
> I actually think you guys should fight it out.
>
> In fact we'll make it an NYLXS event. I bet we could even charge for
> it at the door and it'll still draw the largest crowd of any event
> we've ever organized.
>
> Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome to the no holds barred, duke it out to
> the death clash of the free software factions.
>
> Seriously what the F#%K are you guys talking about at this point.
>
> Steve,
>
> We're all the sons and daughters of immigrants in this country.
> Suggesting that someone should leave the country because of certain
> views he might hold is the kind of thing that was done in Soviet
> Russia, not in the U.S. Anyone who claims to be so intimately familiar
> with the constitution would know that. Besides you're "life and
> liberty" argument as it relates to Micro$oft is bunk. It was decided a
> long time ago that in the interest of all citizens' lives and liberty
> businesses would have to play by certain rules. Micro$oft has not only
> broken those rules, but would like to write new ones.
>
>
> Joe Grastara
> Systems Administrator
> NYU School of Medicine
> On Jan 16, 2004, at 10:30 AM, Michael Richardson wrote:
>
> >
> >Enough no schoolyard meeting. Do not send or respond to each other
> >for the
> >next few days.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Adam Kosmin [mailto:akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com]
> >Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 9:55 AM
> >To: Steve Milo
> >Cc: hangout-at-nylxs.com
> >Subject: Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
> >
> >
> >
> >Don't put words in my mouth. I never threatened you and only suggested
> >that we meet in person to deal with this like adults. We will do that.
> >
> >Adam
> >
> >
> >Steve Milo (slavik914-at-rennlist.com) wrote:
> >" That was an interesting turn of events Adam.
> >"
> >" Here I was naive enough to think that I gave you my phone number so
> >we
> >" could settle things. But instead you come out and threaten me
> >" continually, on the phone and through emails. Granted there is no
> >proof
> >" and ofcourse for all everyone knows I'm the one stirring up the
> >trouble.
> >"
> >" Youre right Adam, youre right I dont have the guts to stand up to
> >you in
> >" person. I've done all the fighting I need to do in High School.
> >"
> >" Why not explain this for starters.
> >"
> >" " > " 'It's like inviting foreigners to
> >" " > " come over to the United States of America without
> >" " > " studying the Constitution!!!'
> >"
> >" Steve M
> >"
> >" >
> >" > Ok, I'll look forward to our meeting.
> >" >
> >" > Have a nice day,
> >" >
> >" > Adam
> >" >
> >" > Steve Milo (slavik914-at-rennlist.com) wrote:
> >" > " I'll be doing something important later this afternoon.
> >" > "
> >" > " ----- Original Message -----
> >" > " From: Adam Kosmin
> >" > " Date: Friday, January 16, 2004 8:40 am
> >" > " Subject: Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
> >" > "
> >" > " >
> >" > " > I'll call later this afternoon. I'm doing something important
> >now.
> >" > " >
> >" > " >
> >" > " >
> >" > " > Steve Milo (slavik914-at-rennlist.com) wrote:
> >"
> >" > " > "
> >" > " > "
> >" > " > "
> >" > " > " ----- Original Message -----
> >" > " > " From: Adam Kosmin
> >" > " > " Date: Friday, January 16, 2004 8:34 am
> >" > " > " Subject: Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
> >" > " > "
> >" > " > " >
> >" > " > " > Got a phone number?
> >" > " > " >
> >" > " > " > Adam
> >" > " > " >
> >" > " > " > Steve Milo (slavik914-at-rennlist.com) wrote:
> >" > " > " > " Insulting your ancestry?
> >" > " > " > "
> >" > " > " > " 'It's like inviting foreigners to
> >" > " > " > " come over to the United States of America without
> >" > " > " > " studying the Constitution!!!'
> >" > " > " > "
> >" > " > " > " What exactly does this mean Adam?
> >" > " > " > "
> >" > " > " > " Steve M
> >" > " > " > "
> >" > " > " > " >
> >" > " > " > " > Just want to give you a chance to show me how much
> >" > " > conviction
> >" > " > " > you have
> >" > " > " > " > by insulting my ancestors to my face. You feel
> >" > threatened
> >" > " > by that?
> >" > " > " > " >
> >" > " > " > " > Adam
> >" > " > " > " >
> >" > " > " > " > Steve Milo (slavik914-at-rennlist.com) wrote:
> >" > " > " > " > " Is that an indirect threat Adam?
> >" > " > " > " > "
> >" > " > " > " > " Steve M
> >" > " > " > " > "
> >" > " > " > " > " ----- Original Message -----
> >" > " > " > " > " From: Adam Kosmin
> >" > " > " > " > " Date: Friday, January 16, 2004 8:18 am
> >" > " > " > " > " Subject: Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
> >" > " > " > " > "
> >" > " > " > " > " >
> >" > " > " > " > " > I'm looking forward to meeting you. When can we
> >" > " > arrange that?
> >" > " > " > " > " >
> >" > " > " > " > " > Adam
> >" > " > " > " > " >
> >" > " > " > " > " >
> >" > " > " > " > " > Steve Milo (slavik914-at-rennlist.com) wrote:
> >" > " > " > " > " > " Obviously a sign of a small mind, when someone
> >" > " > resorts
> >" > " > " > to
> >" > " > " > " > name
> >" > " > " > " > " > calling
> >" > " > " > " > " > " and insults.
> >" > " > " > " > " > "
> >" > " > " > " > " > " Steve M
> >" > " > " > " > " > "
> >" > " > " > " > " > " >
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > Steve,
> >" > " > " > " > " > " >
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > I've had enough of your spoon-fed crap. You're
> >" > " > " > obviously
> >" > " > " > " > an idiot.
> >" > " > " > " > " > " >
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > Adam
> >" > " > " > " > " > " >
> >" > " > " > " > " > " >
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > Steve Milo (slavik914-at-rennlist.com) wrote:
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > Steve Milo (slavik914-at-rennlist.com) wrote:
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > " > more functional, but it is not good
> >" > enough
> >" > " > " > because
> >" > " > " > " > it
> >" > " > " > " > " > is
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > not
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > free
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > " > (as in
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > " > speech) and therefore, damages to our
> >" > " > " > society's
> >" > " > " > " > " > ability to
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > " > collaborate,innovate, and protect our
> >" > privacy." > " > " > " > " > " > "
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > " Actually, more functional is much more
> >" > than
> >" > " > good
> >" > " > " > " > enough,
> >" > " > " > " > " > if
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > the
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > better
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > " more secure product is available from
> >" > " > Microsoft
> >" > " > " > then
> >" > " > " > " > by
> >" > " > " > " > " > all
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > means it
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > " should be used.
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " >
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > This is bullshit. This is exactly the kind
> >" > of
> >" > " > " > thinking
> >" > " > " > " > " > (common
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > to
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > peoplewho subscribe to the Open Source
> >" > " > philosophy)
> >" > " > " > " > that
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > threatens
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > the adoption
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > of Free Software and (if not stopped) will
> >" > " > allow
> >" > " > " > " > Microsoft
> >" > " > " > " > " > to
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > build" > whatever toll gates they desire upon
> >" > the
> >" > " > " > virtual
> >" > " > " > " > " > roads
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > that we use to
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > collaborate and communicate.
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > "
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " Hey, if I'm the 'common person' who
> >" > subscribes
> >" > " > to
> >" > " > " > the
> >" > " > " > " > Open
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > Source
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " philosphy thats sits fine with me. I know
> >" > just
> >" > " > a
> >" > " > " > little
> >" > " > " > " > " > more
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > than the
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " common person though. Sounds like you
> >" > missed a
> >" > " > " > chance
> >" > " > " > " > to
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > convince this
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " 'common person' of how to think.
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > "
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " >
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > Not because it isn't 'free'..as in
> >" > whatever.
> >" > " > But
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > " because it does the job that is required
> >" > of
> >" > " > it.
> >" > " > " > If
> >" > " > " > " > the
> >" > " > " > " > " > Open
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > Source
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > " community can come along and create an
> >" > equal
> >" > " > or
> >" > " > " > " > better
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > product
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > then that
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > " software has earned its positions.
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " >
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > Free as in whatever? How can you not
> >" > " > appreciate
> >" > " > " > the
> >" > " > " > " > " > freedoms
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > granted by
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > the GPL? This stuff is critical and I'd
> >" > expect
> >" > " > " > anyone
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > subscribed
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > to this
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > list to be well versed in the benefits.
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > "
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " I expect anyone who subscribes to this list
> >" > to
> >" > " > be
> >" > " > " > not
> >" > " > " > " > only
> >" > " > " > " > " > well
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > versed
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " in the freedoms granted by the GPL. But to
> >" > also
> >" > " > " > have an
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > understanding
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " of how the judicial and capitalist system of
> >" > " > this
> >" > " > " > " > country works.
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > "
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > If we are talking about widgets then
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > " the only thing that MS or any other
> >" > " > proprietary
> >" > " > " > " > company
> >" > " > " > " > " > is
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > guilty of is
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > " defending their products secrets. They
> >" > " > haven't
> >" > " > " > " > " > infringed on
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > freedom of
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > " speech, they are using freedom to persue
> >" > " > 'life
> >" > " > " > and
> >" > " > " > " > " > liberty'.
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > If
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > MS were
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > " to go out and seek a court order to
> >" > silence
> >" > " > its
> >" > " > " > " > critics
> >" > " > " > " > " > that
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > is
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > " infringing on freedom of speech. But as
> >" > far
> >" > " > as
> >" > " > " > the
> >" > " > " > " > " > widget
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > is
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > concerned,
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > " MS has everyright to create its product,
> >" > " > they
> >" > " > " > can
> >" > " > " > " > run
> >" > " > " > " > " > around
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > and
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > let
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > " their sales people tell you anything
> >" > they
> >" > " > want
> >" > " > " > to
> >" > " > " > " > get
> >" > " > " > " > " > their
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > product in
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > " your hands.
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " >
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > I don't blame Microsoft for wanting world
> >" > " > " > domination.
> >" > " > " > " > I
> >" > " > " > " > " > blame
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > the
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > idiotswho aren't bright enough to choose a
> >" > " > " > different
> >" > " > " > " > path
> >" > " > " > " > " > and
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > who
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > are so
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > obsessed with fulfilling their own selfish
> >" > " > short
> >" > " > " > term
> >" > " > " > " > " > agendas
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > despite the
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > costs to innovation.
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > "
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " Yeah, its called the cost of convenience.
> >" > Many
> >" > " > " > " > company's
> >" > " > " > " > " > are
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > willing to
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " shell out a few extra bucks for convenience.
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > "
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " You missed another chance to convince this
> >" > " > 'idiot'
> >" > " > " > to
> >" > " > " > " > " > believe
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > otherwise."
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " But you also missed a whole other point,
> >" > MS's
> >" > " > " > 'strength'
> >" > " > " > " > " > lies
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > not in its
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " product but in its marketing.
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > "
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " >
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > The fault is not with MS when a network
> >" > " > crashes
> >" > " > " > due to
> >" > " > " > " > a
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > " virus, but the IT director who chose to
> >" > use
> >" > " > MS.
> >" > " > " > In
> >" > " > " > " > turn
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > compromising
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > " the security of their organizations
> >" > system.
> >" > " > No,
> >" > " > " > " > simply
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > because
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > MS is
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > " closed source is not a good enough
> >" > reason to
> >" > " > not
> >" > " > " > " > " > purchase
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > their
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > product
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > " and anyone in this day and age will tell
> >" > you
> >" > " > that." > " > " > " > " >
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " >
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > No one who understands and agrees with the
> >" > " > goals
> >" > " > " > of
> >" > " > " > " > the
> >" > " > " > " > " > Free
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > Software" > movement will tell me this crap.
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > "
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " Yeah, and for the rest of the world they
> >" > will
> >" > " > buy
> >" > " > " > what
> >" > " > " > " > they
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > think works.
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > "
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " Whether you realize it or not, your
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > statement and thinking has been fed to you
> >" > by
> >" > " > Open
> >" > " > " > " > Source
> >" > " > " > " > " > friendly" > " > marketing departments. From where
> >" > I'm
> >" > " > " > sitting,
> >" > " > " > " > I
> >" > " > " > " > " > see that this
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > is
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > goingto be a HUGE problem going
> >" > forward.People
> >" > " > are
> >" > " > " > " > jumping
> >" > " > " > " > " > on
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > the
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > Linuxbandwagon for all the wrong reasons.
> >" > It's
> >" > " > " > like
> >" > " > " > " > " > inviting
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > foreigners to
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > come over to the United States of America
> >" > " > without
> >" > " > " > " > studying the
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > Constitution!!!
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > "
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " Maybe you should tell your ancentry that
> >" > came
> >" > " > over
> >" > " > " > on
> >" > " > " > " > the
> >" > " > " > " > " > boat
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > to go
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " back. Somehow I doubt they learned to
> >" > " > appreciate
> >" > " > " > the
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > Constitution
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " before they hit these shores.
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > "
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " Either way your sending mixed messages. One
> >" > the
> >" > " > one
> >" > " > " > " > hand
> >" > " > " > " > " > you
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > want to
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " close the borders off to any new comers,
> >" > which
> >" > " > by
> >" > " > " > itself
> >" > " > " > " > is
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > unAmerican.
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " But on the other hand you state how anti
> >" > " > American
> >" > " > " > " > Microsoft
> >" > " > " > " > " > is,
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > an
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " American company.
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > "
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " Still more hypcritical is how you preach
> >" > freedom
> >" > " > of
> >" > " > " > " > speech
> >" > " > " > " > " > but
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > you want
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " to it cut off from people who dont agree
> >" > with
> >" > " > your
> >" > " > " > point
> >" > " > " > " > of
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > view. So am
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " I to believe that freedom of speech applies
> >" > only
> >" > " > to
> >" > " > " > " > those
> >" > " > " > " > " > who
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > think like
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " you? If thats true why dont we all just get
> >" > the
> >" > " > " > first
> >" > " > " > " > plane
> >" > " > " > " > " > to
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > North
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " Korea, they will appreicate us there. Oh
> >" > and
> >" > " > that
> >" > " > " > " > should
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > satisfy your
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " requirment for joining on the 'Linux
> >" > Bandwagon'
> >" > " > too,
> >" > " > " > " > they're
> >" > " > " > " > " > all
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " elitists there also.
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > "
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " >
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " >
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > The reasons to go
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > " with Open Source is simply because its
> >" > " > better.
> >" > " > " > Its
> >" > " > " > " > " > better
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > on
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > price
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > " point, its better on security, its
> >" > better on
> >" > " > " > " > " > maintenance,
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > its
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > better on
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > " support. Simply put, GNU/Linux/Open
> >" > Source
> >" > " > is
> >" > " > " > just
> >" > " > " > " > " > better
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > and
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > for those
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > " patriotic souls, is so very American.
> >" > Open
> >" > " > " > Source
> >" > " > " > " > got
> >" > " > " > " > " > its
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > start
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > in this
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > " country and is based on the same
> >" > principles
> >" > " > and
> >" > " > " > " > values
> >" > " > " > " > " > that
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > were
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > used
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > " when this country was founded. But
> >" > using a
> >" > " > " > better
> >" > " > " > " > " > product
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > is
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > common
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > " sense. If MS creates a better OS than
> >" > " > GNU/Linux
> >" > " > " > I
> >" > " > " > " > would
> >" > " > " > " > " > go
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > out
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > and buy
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > " it. But it doesnt make a better OS, it
> >" > only
> >" > " > has
> >" > " > " > a
> >" > " > " > " > " > stronger
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > marketing
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > " machine. The problem with the Open
> >" > Source
> >" > " > " > community
> >" > " > " > " > is
> >" > " > " > " > " > that
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > too
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > many
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > " people are hung up pining away at how MS
> >" > is
> >" > " > bad.
> >" > " > " >
> >" > " > " > " > We're
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > focusing
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > on all
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > " the wrong points, the focus has to be
> >" > turned
> >" > " > " > away
> >" > " > " > " > from
> >" > " > " > " > " > MS
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > and
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > back onto
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > " Linux. If MS makes a better product
> >" > thats
> >" > " > fine
> >" > " > " > the
> >" > " > " > " > " > problems
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > are
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > the
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > " limitations imposed on reverse
> >" > engineering
> >" > " > for a
> >" > " > " > " > better
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > product.
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > The
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > " auto industry does it, the hardware
> >" > " > " > manufacterers do
> >" > " > " > " > it,
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > McDonalds does
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > " it. Everyone reverse engineers, its a
> >" > " > normal
> >" > " > " > patter
> >" > " > " > " > of
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > critical
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > " thinking. But the DMCA law doesnt allow
> >" > " > reverse
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > engineering,
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > not even
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > " to *not* make a profit.
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > "
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " >
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > Obviously you know very little about the
> >" > " > history
> >" > " > " > of
> >" > " > " > " > Open
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > Source since
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > you seem to think that it even has one.
> >" > The
> >" > " > term
> >" > " > " > "Open
> >" > " > " > " > " > Source" is
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > nothing more than a recently created buzz
> >" > term
> >" > " > to
> >" > " > " > sell
> >" > " > " > " > " > Free
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > Software to
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > people that don't have the capacity to
> >" > " > understand
> >" > " > " > the
> >" > " > " > " > " > moral
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > arguements of
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > the Free Software movement. That's it! (if
> >" > you
> >" > " > " > didn't
> >" > " > " > " > get
> >" > " > " > " > " > that
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > last" > statement, read it over and over until
> >" > it
> >" > " > " > sinks in).
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > "
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " Lets leave morals in the gutter where they
> >" > " > belong.
> >" > " > " > Get
> >" > " > " > " > off
> >" > " > " > " > " > your
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > high
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " horse for a few moments. There are times
> >" > when
> >" > " > no
> >" > " > " > one
> >" > " > " > " > really
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > cares about
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " your strong point of view peppered with
> >" > curse
> >" > " > words
> >" > " > " > and
> >" > " > " > " > " > indirect
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " insults. It becomes tiring and annoying and
> >" > " > counter
> >" > " > " > " > productive." > " > "
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " As far as history goes, BSD seems to have
> >" > been
> >" > " > " > around
> >" > " > " > " > for
> >" > " > " > " > " > quite
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > a few
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " years. GNU/Linux has been making some
> >" > pretty
> >" > " > strong
> >" > " > " > " > " > inroads.
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > As far as
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " I can recall they're both Open Source..or
> >" > maybe
> >" > " > more
> >" > " > " > " > " > properly
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > open
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " source. Dont bother correcting me, I'm not
> >" > " > " > interested
> >" > " > " > " > in
> >" > " > " > " > " > your
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > point of
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " view peppered with inderect insults.
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > "
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " >
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " > Adam Kosmin
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > "
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " Overall you have made an interesting effort
> >" > to
> >" > " > " > pervert
> >" > " > " > " > what
> >" > " > " > " > " > I
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > was trying
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " to say. You have managed to completely
> >" > mangle
> >" > " > " > anything
> >" > " > " > " > I
> >" > " > " > " > " > was
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > trying to
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " say. While at the same time trying to
> >" > insult me
> >" > " > " > inderectly." > " > " > "
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > "
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > " Steve M
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > "
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > "
> >" > " > " > " > " > " >
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > --
> >" > " > " > " > " > " >
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > "Yes, Your Honor. Now, where we are so far, in
> >" > at
> >" > " > " > least my
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > line of reasoning, is I want to walk the Court
> >" > " > through
> >" > " > " > " > enough
> >" > " > " > " > " > of our
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > complaint to help the Court understand that
> >" > IBM
> >" > " > " > clearly
> >" > " > " > " > did
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > contribute a
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > lot of the Unix-related information into
> >" > Linux. We
> >" > " > " > just
> >" > " > " > " > don't
> >" > " > " > " > " > know
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > whatit is."
> >" > " > " > " > " > " >
> >" > " > " > " > " > " > -- Kevin McBride SCO vs. IBM 12/05/03
> >" > " > " > " > " > " >
> >" > " > " > " > " > "
> >" > " > " > " > " > "
> >" > " > " > " > " >
> >" > " > " > " > " > --
> >" > " > " > " > " >
> >" > " > " > " > " > "Yes, Your Honor. Now, where we are so far, in at
> >" > " > least my
> >" > " > " > " > " > line of reasoning, is I want to walk the Court
> >" > through
> >" > " > " > enough
> >" > " > " > " > of our
> >" > " > " > " > " > complaint to help the Court understand that IBM
> >" > " > clearly
> >" > " > " > did
> >" > " > " > " > " > contribute a
> >" > " > " > " > " > lot of the Unix-related information into Linux. We
> >" > " > just
> >" > " > " > don't
> >" > " > " > " > know
> >" > " > " > " > " > whatit is."
> >" > " > " > " > " >
> >" > " > " > " > " > -- Kevin McBride SCO vs. IBM 12/05/03
> >" > " > " > " > " >
> >" > " > " > " > "
> >" > " > " > " > "
> >" > " > " > " >
> >" > " > " > " > --
> >" > " > " > " >
> >" > " > " > " > "Yes, Your Honor. Now, where we are so far, in at
> >" > least my
> >" > " > " > " > line of reasoning, is I want to walk the Court through
> >" > " > enough
> >" > " > " > of our
> >" > " > " > " > complaint to help the Court understand that IBM
> >" > clearly
> >" > " > did
> >" > " > " > " > contribute a
> >" > " > " > " > lot of the Unix-related information into Linux. We
> >" > just
> >" > " > don't
> >" > " > " > know
> >" > " > " > " > whatit is."
> >" > " > " > " >
> >" > " > " > " > -- Kevin McBride SCO vs. IBM 12/05/03
> >" > " > " > " >
> >" > " > " > "
> >" > " > " > "
> >" > " > " >
> >" > " > " > --
> >" > " > " >
> >" > " > " > "Yes, Your Honor. Now, where we are so far, in at least my
> >" > " > " > line of reasoning, is I want to walk the Court through
> >" > enough
> >" > " > of our
> >" > " > " > complaint to help the Court understand that IBM clearly
> >" > did
> >" > " > " > contribute a
> >" > " > " > lot of the Unix-related information into Linux. We just
> >" > don't
> >" > " > know
> >" > " > " > whatit is."
> >" > " > " >
> >" > " > " > -- Kevin McBride SCO vs. IBM 12/05/03
> >" > " > " >
> >" > " > "
> >" > " > "
> >" > " >
> >" > " > --
> >" > " >
> >" > " > "Yes, Your Honor. Now, where we are so far, in at least my
> >" > " > line of reasoning, is I want to walk the Court through enough
> >" > of our
> >" > " > complaint to help the Court understand that IBM clearly did
> >" > " > contribute a
> >" > " > lot of the Unix-related information into Linux. We just don't
> >" > know
> >" > " > whatit is."
> >" > " >
> >" > " > -- Kevin McBride SCO vs. IBM 12/05/03
> >" > " >
> >" > "
> >" > "
> >" >
> >" > --
> >" >
> >" > "Yes, Your Honor. Now, where we are so far, in at least my
> >" > line of reasoning, is I want to walk the Court through enough of
> >our
> >" > complaint to help the Court understand that IBM clearly did
> >" > contribute a
> >" > lot of the Unix-related information into Linux. We just don't know
> >" > whatit is."
> >" >
> >" > -- Kevin McBride SCO vs. IBM 12/05/03
> >" >
> >"
> >"
> >
> >--
> >
> >"Yes, Your Honor. Now, where we are so far, in at least my
> >line of reasoning, is I want to walk the Court through enough of our
> >complaint to help the Court understand that IBM clearly did contribute
> >a
> >lot of the Unix-related information into Linux. We just don't know what
> >it is."
> >
> >-- Kevin McBride SCO vs. IBM 12/05/03
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