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Senate approves landmark spam-friendly anti-spam bill

By John Paczkowski

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Christmas came early for the folks at the Direct Marketing Association this year. On Tuesday afternoon the U.S. Senate unanimously approved the Can Spam Act, the spam-friendly anti-spam bill passed by the U.S. House of Representatives last weekend (see "CAN-SPAM: Thanks for nothing..."). Full of loopholes and difficult to enforce, the bill will supercede some 37 anti-spam laws enacted by other states, including a bill in California that requires companies to have consumers' consent before sending commercial e-mail. It's a lousy piece of legislation that allows e-mail marketers to bury us in spam, as long as they include an opt-out mechanism of their own choosing in each unsolicited message. That mechanism could be as simple as an unsubscribe mailto, or as complex as an opt in/opt out menu located on the marketer's Web site which we will legally be required to visit in order to opt-out. Which one do you think the spammers will be more likely to choose? CAN-SPAM is a real disappointment and it's a pity President Bush is expected to sign it into law when it finally lands on his desk in December. Said California State Senator Debra Bowen (D-Redondo Beach), who authored California's "opt-in" anti-spam law: "It's the biggest turkey the president will see all week and he should stuff it the moment it lands on his desk."

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The County of Los Angeles actively promotes and is committed to ensure a work environment that is free from any discriminatory influence be it actual or perceived. As such, it is the County's expectation that our manufacturers, suppliers and contractors make a concentrated effort to ensure that any equipment, supplies or services that are provided to County departments do not possess or portray an image that may be construed as offensive or defamatory in nature.

One such recent example included the manufacturer's labeling of equipment where the words "Master/Slave" appeared to identify the primary and secondary sources. Based on the cultural diversity and sensitivity of Los Angeles County, this is not an acceptable identification label.

We would request that each manufacturer, supplier and contractor review, identify and remove/change any identification or labeling of equipment or components thereof that could be interpreted as discriminatory or offensive in nature before such equipment is sold or otherwise provided to any County department.

-- Excerpt from a County of Los Angeles memo asking computer manufacturers to stop labeling their equipment with the master/slave designation.

Your forearm or your life! Is it just me or is has this RFID thing gone too far? Applied Digital Solutions, the venture that brought us the Digital Angel GPS system, is grabbing headlines today for developing a subdermal microchip that could someday replace credit cards. Embedded in the flesh of a human arm, ADS' VeriPay RFID tag transmits a unique identification number that transforms its owner into a walking credit card. Of course, such technology is rife with security issues. What's to prevent someone from intercepting someone's ID number and rebroadcasting it to an ATM? ADS spokesman Matthew Cossolotto says the company is aware of such concerns and is working to address them. "We do hear concerns about this from a privacy point of view," he told News.com. "Obviously, the company wants to do all it can to protect privacy. If you don't want it anymore... you can go to a doctor and have it removed. It's not something I would recommend people do at home. I call it an opt-out feature."

10 million U.S. consumers paid to download music from the Internet in the first half of 2003. This according to a new report from research outfit Ipsos-Insight based on data collected in June, prior to the debut of ITunes for Windows and other Windows-based services. "Downloaders of all ages are clearly beginning to experiment with fee-based online music distribution in increasing numbers," said Ipsos-Insight's Matt Kleinschmit. "This is significant in that these data were collected in late June, prior to the recent release of multiple Windows-based online music services."

What do you mean didn't I read the EULA? Of course I didn't read it: Writing in his Freedom to Tinker Web log, Princeton professor Ed Felton offers a compelling solution to some of the common problems with End User License Agreements (EULAs): a rating system. "The first tool is a service, provided via a website, that rates EULAs in the same way that political advocacy groups rate legislators," Felton writes. "I'm not talking about a detailed explanation -- which rationally ignorant users wouldn't bother to read -- but a simple one-dimensional rating, such as a grade on an A-to-F scale. Products whose EULAs get good scores might be allowed to display a trademarked "Our EULA got an A-" logo. Naturally, reducing a complex EULA to a single rating is an oversimplification. But that's exactly the point. Rationally ignorant users demand simplification, and if they don't get it they'll decide based on no information at all. The site could offer more details for users who want them. But let's face it: most users don't."

Overpriced vibrator vendor actually Billion-Dollar Idea: Among the 110 entries in Draper Fisher Jurvetson's Billion-Dollar Idea contest were five that Tim Draper says are actually worth pursuing. "I'm amazed," Draper told News.com. "I was just expecting I'd have an interesting afternoon. But we got five ideas that we'll take a closer look at." Among the five: a virtual network to capitalize on excess broadband capacity, an online sales referral system and some sort of venture dedicated to developing upscale adult toys.

Anyone get the license plate on that electric personal assistive mobility device? It took far longer than expected but we finally have our first hit and run accident involving a Segway. Last week a 3-year-old girl playing outside her father's San Francisco store was injured when she was hit by a man riding a Segway. After a brief confrontation with the girl's father, witnesses say the man fled the scene traveling at an expeditious 10 miles per hour.

Off topic: Unusual executive gifts and Dave's List of Words That Are Fun To Say

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  1. 2004-01-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Lake Placid Retreat the last weekend of January
  2. 2004-01-03 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Lake Placid Retreat the last weekend of January
  3. 2004-01-03 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] 501c status.
  4. 2004-01-04 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] test
  5. 2004-01-04 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [Users] ANNOUNCE: Openswan 1.0.0 Released [ken-at-xelerance.com]
  6. 2004-01-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Librarian
  7. 2004-01-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] New Toys
  8. 2004-01-04 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Software Services Opportunities
  9. 2004-01-05 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] 501c status.
  10. 2004-01-05 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] I will be away for a few months...and looking for help in ICT policy
  11. 2004-01-05 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] I will be away for a few months...and looking for help in ICT policy
  12. 2004-01-05 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] I will be away for a few months...and looking for help in ICT policy
  13. 2004-01-05 Spidey309-at-aol.com Re: [hangout] Librarian
  14. 2004-01-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] test
  15. 2004-01-05 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Subject: [hangout] hostile corps, wdl?!
  16. 2004-01-05 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Subject: [hangout] I will be away for a few months...and looking for help in ICT policy
  17. 2004-01-06 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FSF Seminars Explaining the GPL in NYC January 20, 21
  18. 2004-01-06 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] I will be away for a few months...and looking for help in ICT policy
  19. 2004-01-06 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] I will be away for a few months...and looking for help in ICT policy
  20. 2004-01-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] 64bit MYSQL
  21. 2004-01-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Copyright Lawsuite against the RIAA
  22. 2004-01-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software Cost analysis by Microsoft
  23. 2004-01-06 From: <akbar-at-jaal.org> Subject: [hangout] FSF Seminars Explaining the GPL in NYC January 20, 21
  24. 2004-01-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Applied Data Systems (ADS) Single Board Computers fu [fsalloum-at-applieddata.net]
  25. 2004-01-06 akbar <akbar-at-jaal.org> Subject: [hangout] FYI: Novell Unveils Ximian Desktop Update For SUSE Linux 9
  26. 2004-01-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Novell - The Free SOftware Alternative
  27. 2004-01-06 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [ Free Software Chamber of Commerce ] Free Software Cost anal ysis by Microsoft
  28. 2004-01-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [fairuse] Copyright Lawsuite against the RIAA
  29. 2004-01-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [fairuse] Copyright Lawsuite against the RIAA
  30. 2004-01-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Woops -
  31. 2004-01-06 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [nat-at-ximian.com: Re: Summit wiki.]
  32. 2004-01-07 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: RE: [hangout] Liquidator: 6,500 tech firms among 'walking dead'
  33. 2004-01-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] 64bit MYSQL
  34. 2004-01-07 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] 64bit MYSQL
  35. 2004-01-07 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Liquidator: 6,500 tech firms among 'walking dead'
  36. 2004-01-07 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Technite.
  37. 2004-01-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] modperl ecommerce template programmer (telecommute), United States, PA, Philadelphia]
  38. 2004-01-10 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> iRe: [hangout] technight
  39. 2004-01-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FYI: Novell Unveils Ximian Desktop Update For SUSE Linux 9
  40. 2004-01-10 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] technight
  41. 2004-01-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] technight
  42. 2004-01-10 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [NMLUG] Re: Better than Knoppix (fwd)
  43. 2004-01-10 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [tech-geeks] 8th grader suspended for using "net send"
  44. 2004-01-10 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] technight
  45. 2004-01-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] technight
  46. 2004-01-11 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] technight
  47. 2004-01-11 akbar <akbar-at-jaal.org> Subject: [hangout] (OT) The State of Perl
  48. 2004-01-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Abode Photospho FBI Hooks
  49. 2004-01-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Happy Hacking
  50. 2004-01-11 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [tech-geeks] XP Home in Win2K Domain
  51. 2004-01-12 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Non FOSS and Fedora
  52. 2004-01-12 akbar <akbar-at-jaal.org> Re: [hangout] Non FOSS and Fedora
  53. 2004-01-12 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] (fwd) Re: [tech-geeks] XP Home in Win2K Domain
  54. 2004-01-12 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Non FOSS and Fedora
  55. 2004-01-12 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Non-Profit status.
  56. 2004-01-12 From: <akbar-at-jaal.org> Subject: [hangout] on craigslist a project opportunity
  57. 2004-01-12 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Adobe software on fedora?
  58. 2004-01-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Estimate
  59. 2004-01-12 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Tuesday 13 January 2004 Lisp NYC: Meet and Eat and Drink at Blondies on the Island of the Manahattoes (fwd)
  60. 2004-01-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Span Can Do bill?
  61. 2004-01-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Classes Given by Fund for the City of New York
  62. 2004-01-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Classes Given by Fund for the City of New York
  63. 2004-01-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Non FOSS and Fedora
  64. 2004-01-13 From: "John Mullen" <john-at-mullensystems.com> Re: [hangout] re: review: SUSE 9.0
  65. 2004-01-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] re: review: SUSE 9.0
  66. 2004-01-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [Perl Jobs] Perl Production Support (onsite), United States, NY, New York City [jobs-admin-at-perl.org]
  67. 2004-01-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [Perl Jobs] Project Leader - Production Support (onsite), United States, New York, New York City [jobs-admin-at-perl.org]
  68. 2004-01-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [Perl Jobs] Required PERL Expert for Lehman Brothers (onsite), United States, New York, New York City [jobs-admin-at-perl.org]
  69. 2004-01-13 From: "M. Halegua" <phantom21-at-mindspring.com> Subject: [hangout] re: review: SUSE 9.0
  70. 2004-01-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] movie
  71. 2004-01-14 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Non FOSS and Fedora
  72. 2004-01-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [TechForum] re: Tech Position at EBC
  73. 2004-01-14 akbar <akbar-at-jaal.org> Re: [hangout] [TechForum] re: Tech Position at EBC
  74. 2004-01-14 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Meeting
  75. 2004-01-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Does Dell Support Linux? - MozillaQuest Magazine - Page 3 [wanderson-at-nac.net]
  76. 2004-01-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [EmperorLinux-Announce] See Linux Laptops with 54mbps 802.11g and swsusp at LWE [lincoln-at-EmperorLinux.com]
  77. 2004-01-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [Perl Jobs] Software Developer/Consultant (Perl/Unix/Sybase) (onsite), United States, NY, New York City [jobs-admin-at-perl.org]
  78. 2004-01-14 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] movie
  79. 2004-01-14 From: "P. Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord.altschools.org> Subject: [hangout] [TechForum] re: Tech Position at EBC
  80. 2004-01-15 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting
  81. 2004-01-15 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: [Perl Jobs] Software Developer/Consultant (Perl/Unix/Sybase) (onsite), United States, NY, New York City [jobs-admin-at-perl.org]
  82. 2004-01-15 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  83. 2004-01-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [TechForum] re: Tech Position at EBC
  84. 2004-01-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [TechForum] re: Tech Position at EBC
  85. 2004-01-15 From: "P. Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord.altschools.org> Re: [hangout] [TechForum] re: Tech Position at EBC
  86. 2004-01-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [suse-security-announce] SUSE Security Announcement: Linux Kernel (SuSE-SA:2004:003) [thomas-at-suse.de]
  87. 2004-01-15 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  88. 2004-01-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Keep it civil
  89. 2004-01-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  90. 2004-01-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  91. 2004-01-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  92. 2004-01-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  93. 2004-01-16 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  94. 2004-01-16 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  95. 2004-01-16 Joe Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  96. 2004-01-16 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  97. 2004-01-16 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  98. 2004-01-16 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  99. 2004-01-16 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  100. 2004-01-16 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  101. 2004-01-16 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  102. 2004-01-16 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  103. 2004-01-16 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  104. 2004-01-16 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  105. 2004-01-16 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  106. 2004-01-16 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  107. 2004-01-16 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  108. 2004-01-16 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  109. 2004-01-16 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  110. 2004-01-16 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  111. 2004-01-16 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  112. 2004-01-16 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  113. 2004-01-16 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  114. 2004-01-16 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  115. 2004-01-16 From: <akbar-at-jaal.org> RE: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  116. 2004-01-16 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  117. 2004-01-16 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Why couldn't the Expo Overlap with a weekend?
  118. 2004-01-16 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Why couldn't the Expo Overlap with a weekend?
  119. 2004-01-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] wireless access near javitts?
  120. 2004-01-16 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] wireless access near javitts?
  121. 2004-01-16 psiegel-at-copper.net Subject: [hangout] Keep it civil
  122. 2004-01-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Fwd: Web Hosting
  123. 2004-01-16 From: "John Mullen" <john-at-mullensystems.com> Subject: [hangout] Why couldn't the Expo Overlap with a weekend?
  124. 2004-01-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [cudye-at-novell.com: NYC Event - Novell/SUSE/Ximian Presentation on Linux Initiatives]
  125. 2004-01-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] LDAP/Perl Expert-NJ Consulting Firm, United States, NJ, Bedminster]
  126. 2004-01-16 From: "P. Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord.altschools.org> Subject: [hangout] [TechForum] Fwd: Open Source Library Presentation
  127. 2004-01-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Flame war
  128. 2004-01-17 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Flame war
  129. 2004-01-17 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] leeches=$(diff Free_Software Open_Source)
  130. 2004-01-17 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] leeches=$(diff Free_Software Open_Source)
  131. 2004-01-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] tech night
  132. 2004-01-17 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord.altschools.org> Re: [hangout] tech night
  133. 2004-01-17 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] tech night
  134. 2004-01-17 Peter Siegel <psiegel-at-copper.net> Subject: [hangout] Flame war
  135. 2004-01-17 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] leeches=$(diff Free_Software Open_Source)
  136. 2004-01-17 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Selfishness...
  137. 2004-01-17 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] tech night
  138. 2004-01-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] possible talk topics at the retreat?
  139. 2004-01-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] possible talk topics at the retreat?
  140. 2004-01-18 akbar <akbar-at-jaal.org> Re: [hangout] possible talk topics at the retreat?
  141. 2004-01-18 akbar <akbar-at-jaal.org> Subject: [hangout] possible talk topics at the retreat?
  142. 2004-01-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tomorrows Board Meeting
  143. 2004-01-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tomorrows Board Meeting
  144. 2004-01-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tomorrows Board Meeting
  145. 2004-01-18 akbar <akbar-at-jaal.org> Subject: [hangout] Top 10 Open Source Tools for eActivism
  146. 2004-01-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] possible talk topics at the retreat?
  147. 2004-01-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] possible talk topics at the retreat?
  148. 2004-01-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] possible talk topics at the retreat?
  149. 2004-01-19 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] possible talk topics at the retreat?
  150. 2004-01-19 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] possible talk topics at the retreat?
  151. 2004-01-19 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] possible talk topics at the retreat?
  152. 2004-01-19 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] possible talk topics at the retreat?
  153. 2004-01-19 akbar <akbar-at-jaal.org> Subject: [hangout] how did we miss this?
  154. 2004-01-20 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: RE: [hangout] Lake Placid Driving Directions
  155. 2004-01-20 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: RE: [hangout] Lake Placid Driving Directions
  156. 2004-01-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting Minutes
  157. 2004-01-20 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting Minutes
  158. 2004-01-20 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Lake Placid Driving Directions
  159. 2004-01-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Lodging in Lake Placid
  160. 2004-01-20 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Lodging in Lake Placid
  161. 2004-01-20 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Lodging in Lake Placid
  162. 2004-01-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] possible talk topics at the retreat?
  163. 2004-01-20 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] possible talk topics at the retreat?
  164. 2004-01-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] possible talk topics at the retreat?
  165. 2004-01-20 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] possible talk topics at the retreat?
  166. 2004-01-20 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] possible talk topics at the retreat?
  167. 2004-01-20 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] possible talk topics at the retreat?
  168. 2004-01-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] possible talk topics at the retreat?
  169. 2004-01-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] Tuesday 20 January through Friday 23 January, 2004: Perl, LWE, K. Knopper at NYLUG, Gale Brewer at BOF, Howard Elmer at MuSIG
  170. 2004-01-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Wow - time passses ....
  171. 2004-01-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Meeting Minutes
  172. 2004-01-20 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Business Cards
  173. 2004-01-20 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] IBM denies moving to desktop Linux by 2005
  174. 2004-01-20 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Lake Placid Driving Directions
  175. 2004-01-20 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Lodging in Lake Placid
  176. 2004-01-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Retreat to Lake Placid
  177. 2004-01-20 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [DMCA_Discuss] DotGNU in Software Development Times
  178. 2004-01-20 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Has RealNetworks Violated the DMCA?
  179. 2004-01-20 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] Tuesday 20 January through Friday 23 January, 2004: Perl, LWE, K. Knopper at NYLUG, Gale Brewer at BOF, Howard Elmer at MuSIG
  180. 2004-01-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Wow - time passses ....
  181. 2004-01-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Novel Meeting
  182. 2004-01-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] NYLXS Retreat to Lake Placid
  183. 2004-01-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] NYLXS Retreat to Lake Placid
  184. 2004-01-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Retreat to Lake Placid
  185. 2004-01-22 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Retreat to Lake Placid
  186. 2004-01-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] bring a baby to the expo
  187. 2004-01-23 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Things to do on closing day for LWE.
  188. 2004-01-23 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] van
  189. 2004-01-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] City Council Contacts
  190. 2004-01-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] LWE Replacement meeting today
  191. 2004-01-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Coble Bill, making FACTS "Intellectual Property", passed by committee!
  192. 2004-01-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] NYLXS Retreat to Lake Placid
  193. 2004-01-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Technite
  194. 2004-01-24 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Technite?
  195. 2004-01-25 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] City Council Contacts
  196. 2004-01-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] LWE Replacement meeting today
  197. 2004-01-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] LWE Replacement meeting today
  198. 2004-01-25 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] LWE Replacement meeting today
  199. 2004-01-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Freedom-IT Expo Plans
  200. 2004-01-26 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fixed the boot problem on my G4
  201. 2004-01-26 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Retreat to Lake Placid
  202. 2004-01-26 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Another response to Jay
  203. 2004-01-26 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Fixed the boot problem on my G4
  204. 2004-01-26 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: on iwon.com news
  205. 2004-01-26 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Response to Jay
  206. 2004-01-26 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] travel plans
  207. 2004-01-26 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] What are Bayesain spam filters? and Re: [wwwac] The End of Spam as
  208. 2004-01-26 akbar <akbar-at-jaal.org> Subject: [hangout] [OT] RMS talk in India
  209. 2004-01-27 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: RE: [hangout] travel plans
  210. 2004-01-27 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Another response to Jay
  211. 2004-01-27 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Another response to Jay
  212. 2004-01-27 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Another response to Jay
  213. 2004-01-27 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Another response to Jay
  214. 2004-01-27 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Retreat to Lake Placid
  215. 2004-01-27 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Retreat to Lake Placid
  216. 2004-01-27 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] travel plans
  217. 2004-01-27 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] travel plans
  218. 2004-01-27 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] travel plans
  219. 2004-01-27 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] travel plans
  220. 2004-01-27 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] travel plans
  221. 2004-01-27 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [OT] RMS talk in India
  222. 2004-01-27 From: <akbar-at-jaal.org> Re: [hangout] [OT] RMS talk in India
  223. 2004-01-27 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Upcoming New York City Council Technology in Government Hearings.
  224. 2004-01-27 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [freedom-it] Freedom-IT Expo Plans
  225. 2004-01-28 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Another response to Jay
  226. 2004-01-28 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Another response to Jay
  227. 2004-01-28 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Ride back from Lake Placid needed on Sunday
  228. 2004-01-28 Peter Siegel <psiegel-at-copper.net> Subject: [hangout] Ride back from Lake Placid needed on Sunday
  229. 2004-01-29 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] A New Dawn is Arisin'
  230. 2004-01-29 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Lake Placid
  231. 2004-01-29 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Lake Placid
  232. 2004-01-29 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] morning plans
  233. 2004-01-29 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Ride back from Lake Placid needed on Sunday
  234. 2004-01-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] A New Dawn is Arisin'
  235. 2004-01-29 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Lake Placid
  236. 2004-01-29 From: "P. Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord.altschools.org> Subject: [hangout] Lake Placid
  237. 2004-01-29 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] morning plans
  238. 2004-01-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [ten-at-gnome.org: Re[2]: Kings Games]

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