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MESSAGE
DATE 2004-01-26
FROM akbar
SUBJECT Subject: [hangout] [OT] RMS talk in India

Stallman cautions Government of Kerala
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Richard M Stallman was speaking at Thrissur in Kerala on Jan 22. RMS, as
he is popularly known in the Internet world (rms-at-gnu.org), was here
after attending World Social Forum at Mumbai.

Free Software, he said had four levels of freedom. At Freedom Level '0',
it allowed anyone to use the software for any purpose. RMS added that
this freedom was offered by most of the proprietary software also.

At Freedom Level '1', he said Free software allowed anyone to study the
source code. This freedom is not there in the non-free proprietary
world. Source code never accompanies non-free proprietary softwares. Its
is even never released. RMS informed that there were numerous instances
in the past when companies would use their popular software to spy on
users. He informed that earlier whenever a Windows XP user went on-line,
the Operating System would inform Microsoft, details of whatever
software was on the hard-disk of the user. "When this issue became a
debating issue, Microsoft quietly removed this feature. But only to
return after a gap. This time the details are encrypted and sent, so
that no one get to know of this". RMS added that even some freeware
(proprietary software that doesn't come with source code) available on
the Internet like RealPlayer also does this.

At Freedom Level '2', RMS said that it allowed anyone freedom to modify
the code. "You are not at the mercy of the company who sold you the
product. You are not helpless here. When you observe some malfunctioning
or you need a feature added to it, you are forced to contact the
software provider. In free software, you yourself can make the
modification if you have those skills, or can approach a technical
programmer nearby to have it fixed for you. Remember, you may have to
pay him for this service." Free software is not non-commercial, RMS
added, and said that he himself had been selling CDs in the initial
stages when he set out to create a world class Operating System. He had
worked alone, after he quit his job at MIT's Artificial Intelligence Lab
in 1978, disgusted over AT&T's move to make UNIX operating system,
proprietary. By 1984, he established the Free Software Foundation, who
would fund the development activities for reaching the goal of
presenting the global citizen a Free Operating System.

At Freedom Level '3', the user of a free software could share his
software with his friend or neighbour. "In proprietary software world,
this is a crime. Isn't this practice that tells you not to share
anything with anyone, an evil ? Way back, when I started out on my
mission, everyone had this kind of culture, where sharing and
co-operation was the mark of the day. I had convinced myself on the need
to carry this culture ahead, in my programme." This is where Free
Software pushes every other software behind, he said. "This movement,
this Free Software Foundation's movement is based on certain core values
centred around social, political and ethical issues, and is not merely
making available software free of cost. It is a political movement and
looks at the ethical issues." RMS heavily cautioned against using
proprietary software in schools, even if it were available at a cheaper
price or free of cost. "Its like tobacco companies giving away free
cigarettes to children. Their motive is totally different. You have to
take this aspect into notice." The packed hall at John Mathai Centre at
Thrissur listened to the great crusader of justice in the software world
in rapt attention. "Even if the company offers such solutions free of
cost, they may charge later for its upgrades. You need to watch out, be
very careful here. Would you want such a generation of citizens here, in
this part of the world?"

Governments the world over are beginning to appreciate the dangers that
accompany proprietary software and are bringing in legislation to curb
the tendencies in Public Institutions. "This is however not the case
with your Goverment of Kerala. Let me tell you, they have already
computerised most of their programmes in the Departments of Finance and
Local Self Governments on proprietary non-free software. You have to
resist this move. This is not in the interest of the Citizens here. You
got to tell this to your Government. Most of the other departments would
need to interact with these departments, at a later stage. Moreover,
when the Government makes the decision, it is slipping into a state of
helplessness, as later on, it will be dependant on the company to make
any alterations or modifications, even if you have the technical skills
to do it yourself. You are losing your independence. Your freedom is
highly compromised when you use software whose source code is held
secret. Anything can happen. Things can be controlled from remote,
without your knowledge ,using spy code. For public enterprises, this is
not in good taste. This has to be converted into a political issue."

"Moreover, when you are using non-standard and non-free formats of
storing data, you are becoming totally dependant on the supplier. The
Government has to make considerable investment in this area,
immediately, without losing any more time. The more the time lapse, the
greater would be the level of dependance and the cost of migrating back
to free software. In case you need my help, let me tell you, the FSF
people in India are there to offer any kind of technical help." RMS
cautioned the designs that are taking shape across the globe to bring in
a kind of "electronic colonisation". "There are people planning to do
wrong things. You are a world citizen now. You got to resist this
tendency at every level possible."

RMS also answered to a volley of questions on issues that confronted
free software elsewhere. SCO had sued IBM against using GNU Linux that
it said was using pieces of its own code. "I don't think SCO is going to
win. The judge has given SCO just one month time to point out exactly
those parts of the code in the Linux kernel, that it finds
objectionable. I don't think SCO would be able to do this. Even if they
succeed, there is no reason for any panic, the maintainers of the kernel
would come out with appropriate fixes. It would be another opportunity
for the maintainers to show their programming skills."

"Let me tell you that Linux is not the only kernel which is there on GNU
platform. There is also the Hurd kernel, used by GNU Hurd operating
system." "When I started, my mission had been to build a complete
operating system, which I would be calling GNU, acronym for GNU's Not
Unix. Most of the components for the GNU were completed, except for a
small portion, the kernel, without which we couldn't launch the product.
In 1991 Linus Torvalds had built a kernel, that was the only part which
was missing. Linus didn't inform us, he just searched the net to find
all our products that we were giving as free software under the copyleft
and took it and completed. This was an unethical move by Torvalds. He
should have informed us."

On a question on which distributor of GNU Linux is preferred, RMS said
that "most distributors include non-free software along with free
software. This is not good. To me, I think Debian version is totally
free. It doesn't have any non-free software. The Debian license
explicity maintains this stand. However among other variants, I think
Red Hat and Mandrake are committing fewer mistakes, fewer errors. Red
Hat and Mandrake doesn't produce non-free software. They are not
involved. Red Hat in fact produces free software. Companies like Suse
produces non-free software. This is wrong."

RMS, left the hall apparently not being able to cope up with the high
level of humidity. "I am not used to working in this kind of
environment. Its too hot. Your country is too hot for me." RMS shook
hands with everyone who came forward and posed for photographs. In his
iterinary, RMS would be also meeting the leader of Opposition of the
Kerala Legislative Assembly, apart from giving a few more lectures
during course of his tour.

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CK Raju



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  97. 2004-01-17 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Flame war
  98. 2004-01-17 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] leeches=$(diff Free_Software Open_Source)
  99. 2004-01-17 Peter Siegel <psiegel-at-copper.net> Subject: [hangout] Flame war
  100. 2004-01-17 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Selfishness...
  101. 2004-01-17 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] leeches=$(diff Free_Software Open_Source)
  102. 2004-01-17 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] leeches=$(diff Free_Software Open_Source)
  103. 2004-01-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Fwd: Web Hosting
  104. 2004-01-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  105. 2004-01-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  106. 2004-01-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  107. 2004-01-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Keep it civil
  108. 2004-01-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  109. 2004-01-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] LDAP/Perl Expert-NJ Consulting Firm, United States, NJ, Bedminster]
  110. 2004-01-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [cudye-at-novell.com: NYC Event - Novell/SUSE/Ximian Presentation on Linux Initiatives]
  111. 2004-01-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] wireless access near javitts?
  112. 2004-01-16 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  113. 2004-01-16 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Why couldn't the Expo Overlap with a weekend?
  114. 2004-01-16 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Why couldn't the Expo Overlap with a weekend?
  115. 2004-01-16 From: "John Mullen" <john-at-mullensystems.com> Subject: [hangout] Why couldn't the Expo Overlap with a weekend?
  116. 2004-01-16 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] wireless access near javitts?
  117. 2004-01-16 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  118. 2004-01-16 Joe Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  119. 2004-01-16 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  120. 2004-01-16 psiegel-at-copper.net Subject: [hangout] Keep it civil
  121. 2004-01-16 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  122. 2004-01-16 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  123. 2004-01-16 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  124. 2004-01-16 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  125. 2004-01-16 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  126. 2004-01-16 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  127. 2004-01-16 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  128. 2004-01-16 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  129. 2004-01-16 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  130. 2004-01-16 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  131. 2004-01-16 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  132. 2004-01-16 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  133. 2004-01-16 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  134. 2004-01-16 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  135. 2004-01-16 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  136. 2004-01-16 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  137. 2004-01-16 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  138. 2004-01-16 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  139. 2004-01-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [TechForum] re: Tech Position at EBC
  140. 2004-01-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [TechForum] re: Tech Position at EBC
  141. 2004-01-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [suse-security-announce] SUSE Security Announcement: Linux Kernel (SuSE-SA:2004:003) [thomas-at-suse.de]
  142. 2004-01-15 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  143. 2004-01-15 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: [Perl Jobs] Software Developer/Consultant (Perl/Unix/Sybase) (onsite), United States, NY, New York City [jobs-admin-at-perl.org]
  144. 2004-01-15 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  145. 2004-01-15 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting
  146. 2004-01-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Does Dell Support Linux? - MozillaQuest Magazine - Page 3 [wanderson-at-nac.net]
  147. 2004-01-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [EmperorLinux-Announce] See Linux Laptops with 54mbps 802.11g and swsusp at LWE [lincoln-at-EmperorLinux.com]
  148. 2004-01-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [Perl Jobs] Software Developer/Consultant (Perl/Unix/Sybase) (onsite), United States, NY, New York City [jobs-admin-at-perl.org]
  149. 2004-01-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [TechForum] re: Tech Position at EBC
  150. 2004-01-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] movie
  151. 2004-01-14 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] movie
  152. 2004-01-14 From: "P. Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord.altschools.org> Subject: [hangout] [TechForum] re: Tech Position at EBC
  153. 2004-01-14 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Meeting
  154. 2004-01-14 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Non FOSS and Fedora
  155. 2004-01-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Classes Given by Fund for the City of New York
  156. 2004-01-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Classes Given by Fund for the City of New York
  157. 2004-01-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [Perl Jobs] Project Leader - Production Support (onsite), United States, New York, New York City [jobs-admin-at-perl.org]
  158. 2004-01-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [Perl Jobs] Perl Production Support (onsite), United States, NY, New York City [jobs-admin-at-perl.org]
  159. 2004-01-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [Perl Jobs] Required PERL Expert for Lehman Brothers (onsite), United States, New York, New York City [jobs-admin-at-perl.org]
  160. 2004-01-13 From: "John Mullen" <john-at-mullensystems.com> Re: [hangout] re: review: SUSE 9.0
  161. 2004-01-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Non FOSS and Fedora
  162. 2004-01-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] re: review: SUSE 9.0
  163. 2004-01-13 From: "M. Halegua" <phantom21-at-mindspring.com> Subject: [hangout] re: review: SUSE 9.0
  164. 2004-01-12 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Non-Profit status.
  165. 2004-01-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Estimate
  166. 2004-01-12 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Non FOSS and Fedora
  167. 2004-01-12 akbar <akbar-at-jaal.org> Re: [hangout] Non FOSS and Fedora
  168. 2004-01-12 From: <akbar-at-jaal.org> Subject: [hangout] on craigslist a project opportunity
  169. 2004-01-12 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Adobe software on fedora?
  170. 2004-01-12 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Tuesday 13 January 2004 Lisp NYC: Meet and Eat and Drink at Blondies on the Island of the Manahattoes (fwd)
  171. 2004-01-12 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Non FOSS and Fedora
  172. 2004-01-12 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] (fwd) Re: [tech-geeks] XP Home in Win2K Domain
  173. 2004-01-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Span Can Do bill?
  174. 2004-01-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] technight
  175. 2004-01-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Abode Photospho FBI Hooks
  176. 2004-01-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Happy Hacking
  177. 2004-01-11 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] technight
  178. 2004-01-11 akbar <akbar-at-jaal.org> Subject: [hangout] (OT) The State of Perl
  179. 2004-01-11 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [tech-geeks] XP Home in Win2K Domain
  180. 2004-01-10 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> iRe: [hangout] technight
  181. 2004-01-10 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] technight
  182. 2004-01-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FYI: Novell Unveils Ximian Desktop Update For SUSE Linux 9
  183. 2004-01-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] technight
  184. 2004-01-10 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [tech-geeks] 8th grader suspended for using "net send"
  185. 2004-01-10 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [NMLUG] Re: Better than Knoppix (fwd)
  186. 2004-01-10 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] technight
  187. 2004-01-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] modperl ecommerce template programmer (telecommute), United States, PA, Philadelphia]
  188. 2004-01-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] 64bit MYSQL
  189. 2004-01-07 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Technite.
  190. 2004-01-07 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: RE: [hangout] Liquidator: 6,500 tech firms among 'walking dead'
  191. 2004-01-07 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] 64bit MYSQL
  192. 2004-01-07 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Liquidator: 6,500 tech firms among 'walking dead'
  193. 2004-01-06 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FSF Seminars Explaining the GPL in NYC January 20, 21
  194. 2004-01-06 akbar <akbar-at-jaal.org> Subject: [hangout] FYI: Novell Unveils Ximian Desktop Update For SUSE Linux 9
  195. 2004-01-06 From: <akbar-at-jaal.org> Subject: [hangout] FSF Seminars Explaining the GPL in NYC January 20, 21
  196. 2004-01-06 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [ Free Software Chamber of Commerce ] Free Software Cost anal ysis by Microsoft
  197. 2004-01-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Woops -
  198. 2004-01-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software Cost analysis by Microsoft
  199. 2004-01-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Novell - The Free SOftware Alternative
  200. 2004-01-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Applied Data Systems (ADS) Single Board Computers fu [fsalloum-at-applieddata.net]
  201. 2004-01-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] 64bit MYSQL
  202. 2004-01-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [fairuse] Copyright Lawsuite against the RIAA
  203. 2004-01-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [fairuse] Copyright Lawsuite against the RIAA
  204. 2004-01-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Copyright Lawsuite against the RIAA
  205. 2004-01-06 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] I will be away for a few months...and looking for help in ICT policy
  206. 2004-01-06 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] I will be away for a few months...and looking for help in ICT policy
  207. 2004-01-06 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [nat-at-ximian.com: Re: Summit wiki.]
  208. 2004-01-05 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Subject: [hangout] hostile corps, wdl?!
  209. 2004-01-05 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] I will be away for a few months...and looking for help in ICT policy
  210. 2004-01-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] test
  211. 2004-01-05 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] I will be away for a few months...and looking for help in ICT policy
  212. 2004-01-05 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Subject: [hangout] I will be away for a few months...and looking for help in ICT policy
  213. 2004-01-05 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] I will be away for a few months...and looking for help in ICT policy
  214. 2004-01-05 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] 501c status.
  215. 2004-01-05 Spidey309-at-aol.com Re: [hangout] Librarian
  216. 2004-01-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Librarian
  217. 2004-01-04 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] test
  218. 2004-01-04 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [Users] ANNOUNCE: Openswan 1.0.0 Released [ken-at-xelerance.com]
  219. 2004-01-04 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Software Services Opportunities
  220. 2004-01-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] New Toys
  221. 2004-01-03 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] 501c status.
  222. 2004-01-03 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Lake Placid Retreat the last weekend of January
  223. 2004-01-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Lake Placid Retreat the last weekend of January
  224. 2004-01-29 From: "P. Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord.altschools.org> Subject: [hangout] Lake Placid
  225. 2004-01-27 From: <akbar-at-jaal.org> Re: [hangout] [OT] RMS talk in India
  226. 2004-01-26 akbar <akbar-at-jaal.org> Subject: [hangout] [OT] RMS talk in India
  227. 2004-01-20 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] IBM denies moving to desktop Linux by 2005
  228. 2004-01-19 akbar <akbar-at-jaal.org> Subject: [hangout] how did we miss this?
  229. 2004-01-18 akbar <akbar-at-jaal.org> Re: [hangout] possible talk topics at the retreat?
  230. 2004-01-18 akbar <akbar-at-jaal.org> Subject: [hangout] possible talk topics at the retreat?
  231. 2004-01-18 akbar <akbar-at-jaal.org> Subject: [hangout] Top 10 Open Source Tools for eActivism
  232. 2004-01-16 From: "P. Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord.altschools.org> Subject: [hangout] [TechForum] Fwd: Open Source Library Presentation
  233. 2004-01-16 From: <akbar-at-jaal.org> RE: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  234. 2004-01-16 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  235. 2004-01-15 From: "P. Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord.altschools.org> Re: [hangout] [TechForum] re: Tech Position at EBC
  236. 2004-01-14 akbar <akbar-at-jaal.org> Re: [hangout] [TechForum] re: Tech Position at EBC
  237. 2004-01-20 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [DMCA_Discuss] DotGNU in Software Development Times
  238. 2004-01-20 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Has RealNetworks Violated the DMCA?

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