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Received: from www2.mrbrklyn.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mrbrklyn.com (8.12.3/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) with ESMTP id i2AMK2nn001967 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 17:20:02 -0500 Received: (from mdom-at-localhost) by www2.mrbrklyn.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id i2AMK266001966 for hangout-desteny; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 17:20:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: www2.mrbrklyn.com: mdom set sender to owner-hangout-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com using -f Received: from mail58.messagelabs.com (mail58.messagelabs.com [193.109.255.35]) by mrbrklyn.com (8.12.3/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) with SMTP id i2AMK0nn001950 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 17:20:01 -0500 X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: EInker-at-gam.com X-Msg-Ref: server-7.tower-58.messagelabs.com!1078957532!1734954 X-StarScan-Version: 5.1.15; banners=-,-,- Received: (qmail 31843 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2004 22:25:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO w2gw-ldn01.gam.com) (193.202.231.222) by server-7.tower-58.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2004 22:25:32 -0000 Received: from ntas-ldn15.gam.com (unverified) by w2gw-ldn01.gam.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.3.12) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 22:25:32 +0000 Received: by ntas-ldn15.gam.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 22:25:32 -0000 Message-ID: <386AEEE1B7BAC34CB4DDF394C234927819F50E-at-w2cs-nyk02.gam.com> From: "Inker, Evan" To: "'Hangout-at-nylxs.com'" Subject: [hangout] Hardware Review: The Linare Home and Business PC Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 22:19:57 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: "Inker, Evan" List: New Yorker GNU Linux Scene Admin: To unsubscribe send unsubscribe name-at-domian.com in the body to hangout-request-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com X-Keywords: X-UID: 31626 Status: RO Content-Length: 8304 Lines: 149 Hardware Review: The Linare Home and Business PC By Eugenia Loli-Queru - Posted on 2004-03-10 17:17:11 at OSNews [http://www.osnews.com/] Linare Corporation [http://linare.com/] was very kind to send us a Linare PC for a hardware review (software review will follow in a few weeks). The Linare PC is currently selling via Wal-Mart or via Linare's online shop [http://linare.zoovy.com/product/00012345678] for only $199.95 US and it comes pre-loaded with Linare Linux 1.0. Is this PC a good first computer option or an adequate home solution? Read on to find out. Goodies A first good feeling about the PC is that it feels "branded" because the manuals and the box it came with have the Linare logos (in contrast with other Walmart OEM PCs). In the box you will find an illustrated printed "map" of what cables go where, a Linare Linux installation manual, the mainboard's manual and a CD with Windows drivers. The PC comes with a 3-button non-optical PS/2 mouse (no scroll wheel), a PS/2 keyboard (same keyboard as in our previous Wal-Mart review), a pair of powered speakers, and a modem cable (however there was no modem installed on the PC). The case has space for 4 IDE devices, a power supply that's able to work on alternative voltages, and space for outputing 4 PCI/AGP cards. There is a power button on the front of the case, a reset button, and there is a secret little "door" that has Line Out, Microphone-In and 2 USB 2.0 slots. The size of the case is pretty small, it has the same width and height as my other Walmart PC, but it is about 6 cm smaller in the length. I found the case quite stylish and, in fact, it seems to be pretty silent (comperatively to my other PCs). The case might have space for 4 PCI slots, but the SiS 740 [http://www.sis.com/products/chipsets/integrated/socketa/740.htm] (7012) micro-atx motherboard only has 2 PCI slots. There is no AGP slot, but there is a "communication" CNR slot. It uses DDR 266 Mhz memory (there are two slots; the machine comes with 128 MB RAM) and integrated SiS networking, graphics and sound chipset (AC97 codec, driver used is the same as with i810). The 100/10 Mbps networking card works great and USB 2.0 as well. The machine comes with an 1.3 GHz AMD Duron (SSE-enabled). There is a parallel port, one serial port, one VGA port, two PS/2 ports, 6 USB 2.0 ports (four on the back, two on the front) and audio jacks for mic, line-in and line out (and another two in front as I mentioned above). The PC comes with a 30 GB Maxtor drive (mobo supports up to ATA-133) and a 52x no-name CD-ROM. There is no floppy drive installed. Drawbacks This is meant to be a Linux machine, so I tried two Linux distributions on this machine, Linare 1.0 and Xandros 2 Business Desktop (review of both these distros are to be expected in the near future). Here is where the biggest problem of the machine lies: As I mentioned above, the machine comes with 256-bit 3D SiS 740 integrated graphics. It supports up to 64 MB of shared memory RAM and it is AGP 4x. Its RamDac is 333 Mhz and supports up to 2048x1536x16bpp NI. So far so good. But there are two drawbacks: 1. The machine comes preconfigured using 32 MB of shared memory for the graphics, pulling down the overall system memory to 96 MB. Linare is Red Hat Linux 9.0+ based, and Red Hat recommends 128 MB as minimum for graphical use. The machine would swap like crazy when using Mozilla, and the fact that Linare has placed the /swap partition at the end of the 30 GB drive instead of the beginning, made things worse (generally, IDE drives are faster in the beginning of their platter). When I later installed Xandros, I placed the /swap in the beginning of the drive and things felt better. 2. I went to the AMiBIOS to setup the shared memory and tell it to only share 8 MB for the graphics card. The SiS driver for XFree86 does not have a DRI counterpart for 3D, which means that no person using Linux with this PC would ever need more than 8 MB (an amount able to give you 1600x1200x24bpp). Using anything more than 8 MB with a non-3D driver would be a waste of memory, not because the non-existance of a DRI driver, but also because using anything above 72 Hz at 1280x1024 the RAMDAC meets its limits and fonts become blurry and graphics quality just goes down the drain. Now, the problem is the AMiBIOS does not allow using less than 16 MB of shared memory! A real waste of memory on a system where system memory is so valuable because it only comes with 128 MB overall. 3. Now, the worst part: Both Xandros and Linare had problems with the XFree86 4.3 SiS 2D driver, for different reasons each: a. Linare came pre-configured using the... VESA XFree86 driver. In year 2004, a respectful corporation should not be selling a machine configured with VESA. I must admit that the VESA driver was not particularly slow though. As you can see in the screenshot, the Linare pref panels don't have a listing for the SiS 740 graphics card, however using the stock "sis" xfree driver by editing the /etc/X11/XF86Config file it worked fine. b. The Xandros monitor pref panel would only give me 1024x768-at-60Hz (and it had other unrelated monitor setting panel bugs that will be detailing to my review soon). Changing the settings to the desired resolution and refresh rate (1280x1024x24bpp-at-85Hz) would hard lock the OS completely. After a reinstallation and some testing, I was able to get it right by hand-editing again the XF86Config file and tell it to only use 16bit above 1024x768 (it seems that the driver doesn't like 24bit on higher resolutions). Conclusion Obviously, the SiS XFree86 2D driver is buggy (no specs are available [http://www.winischhofer.net/linuxsisvga.shtml]), and different distros fall to bugs because of this. However, if Linare is to sell the machine with SiS graphics cards, they should work on the SiS 2D driver and debug it to work more reliably (the fact that the machine comes with no AGP slot makes this a priority). Additionally, they should get a version of the AmiBIOS for their motherboard that supports sharing 4 and 8 MBs (either that, or they should ship by default with more system memory). A good idea would also be to place the /swap partition at the beginning of the drive. If Linare fulfilled the above, this machine would an excellent cheap Linux machine to get you started. It might even prove good enough to be used with businesses (it has great connectivity expansion via its 6 USB ports). But not before they fix their graphics-related issues. Good Points: Silent, adequate speed for the price, stable, compact and small factor case, USB 2.0, affordable - makes it a particularly cute gift. Bad Points: No modem or combo drive, mediocre X11 2D driver support and no option for sharing less than 16 MB of memory (and consequently, a disandvantage for not having an AGP slot or more memory). Overall: 7/10 ( Original Story URL at http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=6307 ) **************************************************************************** This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual or entity named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. 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NYLXS is a trademark of NYLXS, Inc 2004-03-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Overview of this afternoon's Orgcom meeting 2004-03-02 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Overview of this afternoon's Orgcom meeting 2004-03-05 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Meeting 2004-03-05 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Meeting 2004-03-05 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Meeting 2004-03-05 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Meeting 2004-03-08 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Fwd: [Patents] Halloween X 2004-03-09 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Opinion: Software Freedom Day 2004 2004-03-09 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Opinion: Software Freedom Day 2004 2004-03-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] MEETING ON Wednsday Evening 2004-03-09 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Opinion: Software Freedom Day 2004 2004-03-09 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Opinion: Software Freedom Day 2004 2004-03-09 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Study: Open-source databases going mainstream 2004-03-09 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Study: Open-source databases going mainstream 2004-03-09 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] The Berkeley Software Distribution operating systems have much to 2004-03-09 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] The Berkeley Software Distribution operating systems have much to 2004-03-09 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] XFree86 gets underwhelmed by Linux distro support / Suse 9.1 Due Out 2004-03-09 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] XFree86 gets underwhelmed by Linux distro support / Suse 9.1 Due Out 2004-03-10 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Local Press on GNU/Linux 2004-03-10 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Open source still faces open legal questions - BS 2004-03-10 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Hardware Review: The Linare Home and Business PC 2004-03-10 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Hardware Review: The Linare Home and Business PC 2004-03-10 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] k&r 2004-03-10 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Open source still faces open legal questions - BS Article of the Day 2004-03-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] (fwd) Re: DRM company tracking. 2004-03-11 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Army to Gates: Halt the free software 2004-03-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Demo CD 2004-03-11 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Demo CD 2004-03-11 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Demo CD 2004-03-11 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Demo CD 2004-03-11 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Demo CD 2004-03-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Minutes for March 11, 2004 2004-03-11 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Minutes for March 11, 2004 2004-03-11 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Minutes for March 11, 2004 2004-03-11 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Minutes for March 11, 2004 2004-03-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Minutes for March 11, 2004 2004-03-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Minutes for March 11, 2004 2004-03-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Minutes for March 11, 2004 2004-03-11 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Minutes for March 11, 2004 2004-03-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Power Supply 2004-03-11 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Power Supply 2004-03-11 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] (fwd) Re: DRM company tracking. 2004-03-11 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Adam here is the ad FREEDOM-IT 2004-03-11 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Army to Gates: Halt the free software 2004-03-11 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Demo CD 2004-03-11 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] GnomeMeeting's PC Conferencing Alternative 2004-03-11 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Guest editorial: Open source for capitalists 2004-03-11 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Minutes for March 11, 2004 2004-03-11 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Motorola readies music-oriented Linux mobile phone 2004-03-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NY Fair Use 2004-03-11 David Etengoff <edtechmdy-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] Please remove my name from mailing list 2004-03-11 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Power Supply 2004-03-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tonights Meeting 2004-03-12 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> FW: [hangout] Demo CD 2004-03-12 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: FW: [hangout] Demo CD 2004-03-12 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: FW: [hangout] Demo CD 2004-03-12 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: FW: [hangout] Demo CD 2004-03-12 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: FW: [hangout] Demo CD 2004-03-12 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: FW: [hangout] Demo CD 2004-03-12 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: FW: [hangout] Demo CD 2004-03-12 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: FW: [hangout] Demo CD 2004-03-12 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: FW: [hangout] Demo CD 2004-03-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Minutes for March 11, 2004 2004-03-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Minutes for March 11, 2004 2004-03-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Minutes for March 11, 2004 2004-03-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Minutes for March 11, 2004 2004-03-12 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] Minutes for March 11, 2004 2004-03-12 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Minutes for March 11, 2004 2004-03-12 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Minutes for March 11, 2004 2004-03-12 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Minutes for March 11, 2004 2004-03-12 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Minutes for March 11, 2004 2004-03-12 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Minutes for March 11, 2004 2004-03-12 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Minutes for March 11, 2004 2004-03-12 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Minutes for March 11, 2004 2004-03-12 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Minutes for March 11, 2004 2004-03-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] More LAke Placid Photos 2004-03-12 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Paging RobM 2004-03-12 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Pasha 2004-03-13 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Minutes for March 11, 2004 2004-03-13 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Minutes for March 11, 2004 2004-03-13 From: "ruben" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] tech night 2004-03-13 From: "ruben" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tech Night - Tonight 2004-03-13 Josh Rabinowitz <joshr-at-joshr.com> Subject: [hangout] Using Perl with SWISH-E: Talk 3/16 2004-03-15 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] (fwd) More Supporters of Digital Rights needed! 2004-03-15 From: "M. Halegua" <phantom21-at-mindspring.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: [Orgcom] NEXT MEETING (3-28-04) [chand-at-chandeeland.org] 2004-03-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: [Orgcom] NEXT MEETING (3-28-04) [chand-at-chandeeland.org] 2004-03-15 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] My Linux Desktop Odyssey, 2004 2004-03-15 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] My Linux Desktop Odyssey, 2004 2004-03-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [Orgcom] NEXT MEETING (3-28-04) [chand-at-chandeeland.org] 2004-03-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Orgcom Report to NYLXS [phantom21-at-mindspring.com] 2004-03-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] (fwd) More Supporters of Digital Rights needed! 2004-03-16 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] (fwd) More Supporters of Digital Rights needed! 2004-03-16 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] FSF Event Philadelphia PA March 26, 2004 2004-03-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] FSF Event Philadelphia PA March 26, 2004 2004-03-16 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] FSF Event Philadelphia PA March 26, 2004 2004-03-16 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] low balling 2004-03-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] My Linux Desktop Odyssey, 2004 2004-03-16 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] My Linux Desktop Odyssey, 2004 2004-03-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] My Linux Desktop Odyssey, 2004 2004-03-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Employment Opportunities - NYC Government 2004-03-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Federal CIOs tout benefits of 'open source' software 2004-03-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: BricsCAD goes Linux [backoffice2-at-bricscad.com] 2004-03-16 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] low balling 2004-03-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] New Wireless connection 2004-03-16 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Orgcom Report to NYLXS 2004-03-16 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] PowerBook CDROM is very flakey 2004-03-16 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Court Opens Way to Claim the Public Domain 2004-03-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Deadline Demo CD 2004-03-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] HP Starts Pushing Desktop Linux 2004-03-17 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] New York City Contracts 2004-03-17 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Opinion: Software Freedom Day 2004 2004-03-17 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Opinion: Software Freedom Day 2004 2004-03-17 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] PowerBook CDROM is very flakey 2004-03-17 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Deadline Demo CD 2004-03-17 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] HP Starts Pushing Desktop Linux 2004-03-17 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Luck of the Irish 2004-03-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] New York City Contracts 2004-03-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Deadline Demo CD 2004-03-18 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Deadline Demo CD 2004-03-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Deadline Demo CD 2004-03-18 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Deadline Demo CD 2004-03-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Deadline Demo CD 2004-03-18 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Deadline Demo CD 2004-03-18 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Deadline Demo CD 2004-03-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: BricsCAD goes Linux [backoffice2-at-bricscad.com] 2004-03-18 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: BricsCAD goes Linux [backoffice2-at-bricscad.com] 2004-03-18 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] HP Starts Pushing Desktop Linux 2004-03-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] HP Starts Pushing Desktop Linux 2004-03-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] low balling 2004-03-18 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Re: [nycwireless] Wireless Card Recommendation of S 2004-03-18 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Re: [nycwireless] Wireless Card Recommendation of S 2004-03-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [nycwireless] Wireless Card Recommendation of S USE 2004-03-18 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RedHat Enterprise. 2004-03-18 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] RedHat Enterprise. 2004-03-18 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] RedHat Enterprise. 2004-03-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] You have to change this. 2004-03-18 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Made a quantum leap 2004-03-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Novell News 2004-03-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nycwireless] Wireless Card Recommendation of SUSE 2004-03-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Want to read something scary? 2004-03-18 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] You have to change this. 2004-03-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Perl/Mason Web software developer (onsite), United States, NY, Park Slope, Brooklyn] 2004-03-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [nazgul-at-somewhere.com: Re: Embperl programmer needed] 2004-03-19 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> RE: [hangout] Does anyone see the CEO of Brooklyn's fingerprints 2004-03-19 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Does anyone see the CEO of Brooklyn's fingerprints 2004-03-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Does anyone see the CEO of Brooklyn's fingerprints on this? 2004-03-19 Spidey309-at-aol.com Re: [hangout] Elections 2004-03-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Elections 2004-03-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Elections 2004-03-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Elections 2004-03-19 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Elections 2004-03-19 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Elections 2004-03-19 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Elections 2004-03-19 Spidey309-at-aol.com Re: [hangout] Elections 2004-03-19 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Elections 2004-03-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] hangout management 2004-03-19 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] You have to change this. 2004-03-19 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] You have to change this. 2004-03-19 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [hangout] Does anyone see the CEO of Brooklyn's fingerprints on this? 2004-03-19 Spidey309-at-aol.com Subject: [hangout] Elections 2004-03-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FSI Meeting Canceled until Saturday Night 2004-03-19 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] RE: [DMCA_Discuss] New bill to veto Supreme Court decisions 2004-03-19 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Unsubscribe 2004-03-20 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Elections 2004-03-21 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] About the Great NYFU and NY Fairuse Flap in 20 years. 2004-03-22 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] An Advanced File System for Linux: JFS 2004-03-22 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Hello World 2004-03-22 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] An Advanced File System for Linux: JFS 2004-03-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNU/Linux Scene Calender for Today 2004-03-22 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Hello World 2004-03-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Perl Jobs keep coming 2004-03-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [Perl Jobs] Mid-Level Perl Programmer (onsite), United States, NY, New York 2004-03-23 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] RE: [nylxs-announce] GNU/Linux Scene Calender for T 2004-03-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: [nylxs-announce] GNU/Linux Scene Calender for Today 2004-03-23 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] What Is New in SUSE LINUX 9.1 ? 2004-03-23 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Open Source and Free Software Conference To Be Held at University of 2004-03-23 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] RE: [nylxs-announce] GNU/Linux Scene Calender for Today 2004-03-23 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] What Is New in SUSE LINUX 9.1 ? 2004-03-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Dispelling the myths of Gentoo Linux, an honest review 2004-03-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Novell to Combine Best of KDE and Gnome 2004-03-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Novell to Combine Best of KDE and Gnome 2004-03-24 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Spam Assasin is a PIA 2004-03-24 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Spam Assasin is a PIA 2004-03-24 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Spam Assasin is a PIA 2004-03-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Spam Assasin is a PIA 2004-03-24 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Spam Assasin is a PIA 2004-03-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Dispelling the myths of Gentoo Linux, an honest review 2004-03-24 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] New Downtown Space 2004-03-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Novell to Combine Best of KDE and Gnome 2004-03-24 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Paging David Sugar 2004-03-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Spam Assasin is a PIA 2004-03-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Wal-Mart and Sun share Linux desktop lust 2004-03-25 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> RE: [hangout] "Enterprise Assessment Kit Available Now to Speed D 2004-03-25 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] "Enterprise Assessment Kit Available Now to Speed D 2004-03-25 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] "Enterprise Assessment Kit Available Now to Speed D 2004-03-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] "Enterprise Assessment Kit Available Now to Speed D esktop Linux E valuations 2004-03-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Novell to Combine Best of KDE and Gnome 2004-03-25 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Yankee Independently Pits Windows TCO vs. Linux TCO 2004-03-25 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] "Enterprise Assessment Kit Available Now to Speed Desktop Linux E 2004-03-25 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] HP Move Could Change Microsoft Strategy 2004-03-25 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Yankee Independently Pits Windows TCO vs. Linux TCO 2004-03-26 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Perl/MySQL web developer (telecommute), United States, va, newport news 2004-03-26 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] We NEED one more person to go to ORGCOM this Sunday 2004-03-26 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Perl/Java Deployment Developer (onsite), United States, NY, New York] 2004-03-27 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Made a quantum leap 2004-03-27 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Realtech card query (previous Subject in error, was 2004-03-27 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] sound is very low 2004-03-27 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] We NEED one more person to go to ORGCOM this Sunday 2004-03-27 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] We NEED one more person to go to ORGCOM this Sunday 2004-03-27 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] A note to the Group 2004-03-27 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Subject: [hangout] Realtech card query (previous Subject in error, was "Re:made a 2004-03-27 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Subject: [hangout] sound is very low 2004-03-28 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] A note to the Group 2004-03-28 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] A note to the Group 2004-03-28 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] A note to the Group 2004-03-28 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] A note to the Group 2004-03-28 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Realtech card query (previous Subject in error, was 2004-03-28 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Realtech card query (previous Subject in error, was 2004-03-28 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Realtech card query (previous Subject in error, was "Re:made a quantum leap") 2004-03-29 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] A note to the Group 2004-03-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Off to Albany 2004-03-29 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] (no subject) 2004-03-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] 48 Hours on Vacation and the WHOLE WORLD CHANGES - We now have 2 moons like Tattoon in Starwars 2004-03-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Business Week Article on Free Softwatre 2004-03-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft and DRM 2004-03-29 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Off to Albany 2004-03-30 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Off to Albany 2004-03-31 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Elections 2004-03-31 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Elections 2004-03-31 Spidey309-at-aol.com Re: [hangout] Elections 2004-03-31 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Elections 2004-03-31 Spidey309-at-aol.com Subject: [hangout] Elections 2004-03-31 Spidey309-at-aol.com Subject: [hangout] Elections 2004-03-31 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Wal-Mart sells PCs with Sun's Linux NYLXS are Do'ers and the first step of Doing is Joining! 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