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MESSAGE
DATE 2004-09-04
FROM Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS
SUBJECT Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?

On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 12:24:59PM -0400, Billy wrote: > > On Sat, Sep
04, 2004 at 10:09:52AM -0400, Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS wrote: > > >
> I don't see how this is MSFT's fault. > > > > > > > > That's actually
easy to answer. > > 5 yard penalty: incomplete quoting of context. >
(WHAT is MSFT's fault, again?) >

There are no yards in Baseball...

The response it to the security faults of the MS foundation Class.

> > On the windows OS everything works as a single process without kernel
> > specific file permisions on any of the systems foundation libraries.
> > I can't extract a coherent technical argument from this sentence.
I tried. > What are "kernel-specific file permissions" ?

The kernel in Linux assigns and allocates resources according to user
permisions and ALL processes must have a UID and an EUID attached to them.

In windows there is only 1 process and everything is a thread.

I've looked at this very closely in the last 3 weeks, especially in regard
to porting GTK programs and C programs to Windows. It's a huge problem.
everything in windows runs as Windows.

> > > So when you start a new program in Windows, becomes > > a thread
of the core OS, > > Stop this FUD!

It's not fud. It's a fact. See the gtk porting website.


> No, this is hardly true of all or most software. >

Actually it is. Even Visual Basic applications which leverage heavely
the MSFT installs new DLL's and replaces old ones willie nillie.


Also see http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=7128
-------------------------

Like most people who read Linux Journal, I am a rabid fan of all
things Linux, GNU and open source. I run Linux on all of my personal
machines, program on them, play on them and evangelize to others whenever
possible. But, a large portion of the programming jobs out there involve
writing applications for an operating system from Redmond, Washington.

For my job, I've had to write some smaller applications for the Microsoft
Windows platform. Because speed of execution was an issue, I was going
to have to write them in C, directly using the Win32 API. It occurred
to me that if I was going to be using a standard language such as C,
I might be able to develop in my nice and cozy Linux home.

This article is a short guide on developing an application for Windows
completely within a Linux environment. I give a short introduction to
Windows programming and step through compiling and testing a sample
program. I also discuss Wine to simplify porting Windows source code
to Linux. Win32 Programming

For those of us raised on the wholesome nutrition of a UNIX-style process
abstraction, the Windows model might seem downright heretical. The Windows
model is a preemptive, multitasking, multithreaded, message-passing
operating system. I'm limiting myself here to NT and its derivatives, 2000
and XP. All processes are considered threads by the operating system. This
makes the process context slightly lighter than the traditional
heavyweight process model used in UNIX-like operating systems. As a
consequence of this everything-is-a-thread model, however, everything
sits in global memory address space. With the correct permissions and
the correct address, one program could twiddle another program's bits.

Another consequence of this is data structures created by the kernel don't
sit at any fixed address. This means it is up to the user program to lock
down the associated memory before using any global data structures, such
as graphic contexts. You also must remember to unlock these structures
once you are done with them, or they may help cause memory fragmentation.

Listing 1, available from the Linux Journal FTP site (see the on-line
Resources section), is a basic Hello World program. Most of it is
boilerplate, and only the portion within the switch statement is of any
real interest. It does seem like quite a bit of code for a basic program,
but that is the problem with using a low-level API. A good comparison
on Linux would be writing code for X using Xt.

Instead of a main() function, a Windows GUI program starts at
WinMain(). It's in this function that your program does all of its
initialization. Part of this initialization includes defining the window
class for the main window and associating a callback function for
it. Next, create the main window and show it on the desktop. Control
then passes to the message loop, and the callback function processes
the messages that are sent to the main window.

A good quick introduction to writing Windows programs is available
from winprog.org (see Resources). The authors of this Web site offer
a good FAQ and a fairly good tutorial covering all of the basics. Of
course, the bible for Windows programming is the massive book Windows
Programming, by Charles Petzold. If you can't find what you need in this
tome, you always can use it to beat the information out of your friendly
neighbourhood Windows guru. Cross-Compiling

One of the amazing things about GCC is that it has been ported to so
many different platforms and operating systems. A great gift that comes
from this is the ability to compile binaries on one platform that are
destined for a completely different one. I regularly compile binaries
for Solaris or Windows on my Linux laptop. This is an amazing advantage,
allowing development to occur in a familiar, comfortable environment.

The purest way to set up is to go back to the source (see Resources). This
way you can compile code with the exact settings and for the exact
platform you want. Thankfully, this work has already been done. The
good people at the MinGW Project maintain a port of GCC for compiling
Windows binaries. This includes all of the associated files, such
as the headers. The sources are available here along with binary
tarballs. These programs also have been packaged for RPM-based and
deb-based distributions. If you are running Debian, you can use apt-get
to retrieve the mingw32 and mingw32-runtime packages. If you are running
testing or unstable, you also should grab mingw32-binutils.

Most of the compilation options in GCC are available here in MinGW,
along with a few extras. If you simply compile a program without any
extra options, it can be run from the console. This is what you would
do if you wanted to write a small, simple program that did not need a
GUI. Because this is Windows, we want a GUI program, so we write all of
the required boilerplate we saw above and add the -mwindows option to
the compilation command. This sets up the macros and library links you
need in order to compile a standard Windows executable. If you decide to
write a more complicated Windows program that uses some other Windows'
feature, you need to add in the libraries explicitly that you want linked.

In Windows you can define resources for your program. These include such
items as menus, bitmaps and text strings, among others. These resources
are defined in a separate file and need to be compiled separately
before being linked to your executable. That job falls to the program
mingw-windres, which creates an object file you subsequently can link
to your executable.

To compile our simple example program shown in Listing 1, we use the
command:

mingw-gcc -o example1.exe example.c -mwindows

Replace the command mingw-gcc with whatever the package maintainer called
the compiler executable for your package. Presto, you now have a Windows
program ready for the world. Or is it? Debugging with Wine

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  93. 2004-09-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Big Oppurtunity for the Ready Free Software Enterprise Desktop
  94. 2004-09-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Hang on to your seatbelts.
  95. 2004-09-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Big Oppurtunity for the Ready Free Software Enterprise Desktop
  96. 2004-09-19 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Sun reports Wall Street sick of Free Software :(
  97. 2004-09-19 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Sun reports Wall Street sick of Free Software :(
  98. 2004-09-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Sun reports Wall Street sick of Free Software :(
  99. 2004-09-19 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] To be young and lost
  100. 2004-09-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] To be young and lost
  101. 2004-09-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] Sun reports Wall Street sick of Free Software :(
  102. 2004-09-18 From: "rc" <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> RE: [hangout] Sun reports Wall Street sick of Free Software :(
  103. 2004-09-18 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Sun reports Wall Street sick of Free Software :(
  104. 2004-09-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Sun reports Wall Street sick of Free Software :(
  105. 2004-09-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] MYSQL News
  106. 2004-09-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Economist mag
  107. 2004-09-17 From: "rc" <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] SuSE Tech Kit
  108. 2004-09-17 From: "rc" <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Google & Non-Profit Orgs
  109. 2004-09-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Jobs
  110. 2004-09-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] More jobs
  111. 2004-09-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Jobs
  112. 2004-09-16 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Meeting
  113. 2004-09-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] meeting
  114. 2004-09-14 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] meeting
  115. 2004-09-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] meeting
  116. 2004-09-14 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Novell sees a 'both-source' future
  117. 2004-09-14 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] meeting
  118. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Novell sees a 'both-source' future
  119. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Novell sees a 'both-source' future
  120. 2004-09-13 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] Novell sees a 'both-source' future
  121. 2004-09-13 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Novell
  122. 2004-09-13 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Novell sees a 'both-source' future
  123. 2004-09-13 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Novell sees a 'both-source' future
  124. 2004-09-13 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Novell sees a 'both-source' future
  125. 2004-09-13 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] "Linux Backers to Support Standard"
  126. 2004-09-13 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Malware Writers Using Open-Source Tactics
  127. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Web Site Redesign
  128. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Web Site Redesign
  129. 2004-09-13 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Re:
  130. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Brooklyn Tech Servers
  131. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Educational Institution in Need
  132. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Please Handle this first contact... Thanx
  133. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] I am a man, and you are a woman
  134. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Jobs4.2
  135. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Jobs4.0
  136. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Jobs3.8
  137. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Jobs3.5
  138. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Jobs3.3
  139. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Jobs3.1
  140. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Jobs2.5
  141. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Jobs2
  142. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Jobs
  143. 2004-09-12 From: "rc" <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> RE: [hangout] Novell/SuSE offer
  144. 2004-09-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] gnomemeeting
  145. 2004-09-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Astoria Queens LUG building
  146. 2004-09-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Educational Institution in Need
  147. 2004-09-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Volunteer needed urgently in Brooklyn
  148. 2004-09-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: two dimensional arrays passed to functions
  149. 2004-09-10 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: two dimensional arrays passed to functions
  150. 2004-09-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] INDUCE: Copyright Office Recommended Statutory Language
  151. 2004-09-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux Business in New York
  152. 2004-09-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: two dimensional arrays passed to functions
  153. 2004-09-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [Paranoia-dev] valgrind
  154. 2004-09-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Asian Spam - Die Now
  155. 2004-09-09 From: "Ruben" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: two dimensional arrays passed to functions
  156. 2004-09-09 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [DMCA_Discuss] Distributed Search Company Sues RIAA over Patent
  157. 2004-09-09 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: two dimensional arrays passed to functions
  158. 2004-09-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: two dimensional arrays passed to functions
  159. 2004-09-09 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: two dimensional arrays passed to functions
  160. 2004-09-09 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] I have no functional gas according to dosemu
  161. 2004-09-09 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] binutils
  162. 2004-09-09 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Subject: [hangout] DOSEMU for PPC
  163. 2004-09-09 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Novell/SuSE offer
  164. 2004-09-09 From: "Ruben" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: two dimensional arrays passed to functions
  165. 2004-09-09 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Novell/SuSE offer
  166. 2004-09-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] C programming: 2d Arrays
  167. 2004-09-08 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] I have no functional gas according to dosemu
  168. 2004-09-08 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Binutils disregard previous email
  169. 2004-09-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] I have no functional gas according to dosemu
  170. 2004-09-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Binutils disregard previous email
  171. 2004-09-08 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] binutils
  172. 2004-09-08 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] BSCP
  173. 2004-09-08 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] Binutil
  174. 2004-09-08 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Good Morning
  175. 2004-09-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Binutil
  176. 2004-09-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Binutil
  177. 2004-09-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [reply-c9f4-1808-2f6b114cd7-at-nl.internet.com: Your Linux Today Security Letter for September 8, 2004]
  178. 2004-09-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Sybase releases free Express database for Linux
  179. 2004-09-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Binutil
  180. 2004-09-08 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Binutil
  181. 2004-09-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Binutil
  182. 2004-09-08 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Binutil
  183. 2004-09-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Good Morning
  184. 2004-09-07 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Whippersnapper whistle-blowers beware
  185. 2004-09-07 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Whistle-blowers form a breed apart
  186. 2004-09-07 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Windows on Warships
  187. 2004-09-07 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Windows on Warships
  188. 2004-09-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Windows on Warships
  189. 2004-09-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Windows on Warships
  190. 2004-09-07 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Windows on Warships
  191. 2004-09-07 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Printing from Suse 9.1
  192. 2004-09-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Printing from Suse 9.1
  193. 2004-09-07 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Printing from Suse 9.1
  194. 2004-09-07 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Printing from Suse 9.1
  195. 2004-09-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Printing from Suse 9.1
  196. 2004-09-07 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Windows on Warships
  197. 2004-09-06 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Segfault in mysql_real_escape_string
  198. 2004-09-05 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Registers
  199. 2004-09-05 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Registers
  200. 2004-09-05 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] strmov
  201. 2004-09-05 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Registers
  202. 2004-09-05 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  203. 2004-09-05 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Outing.
  204. 2004-09-05 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Outing.
  205. 2004-09-05 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  206. 2004-09-05 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  207. 2004-09-04 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  208. 2004-09-04 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  209. 2004-09-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Help needed with MySQL C API-based client (segfault)
  210. 2004-09-04 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] What is the Linux equivalent to debug.
  211. 2004-09-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Paging Serge
  212. 2004-09-04 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  213. 2004-09-04 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] NYLXS Outing.
  214. 2004-09-04 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Outing.
  215. 2004-09-04 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  216. 2004-09-04 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Outing.
  217. 2004-09-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] MYSQL and C
  218. 2004-09-04 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Enterprise Server Suse
  219. 2004-09-04 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  220. 2004-09-04 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  221. 2004-09-04 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  222. 2004-09-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  223. 2004-09-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  224. 2004-09-04 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  225. 2004-09-04 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  226. 2004-09-04 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  227. 2004-09-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  228. 2004-09-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  229. 2004-09-04 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  230. 2004-09-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  231. 2004-09-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  232. 2004-09-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  233. 2004-09-04 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  234. 2004-09-04 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  235. 2004-09-04 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  236. 2004-09-04 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  237. 2004-09-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  238. 2004-09-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  239. 2004-09-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  240. 2004-09-04 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  241. 2004-09-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  242. 2004-09-04 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  243. 2004-09-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  244. 2004-09-04 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  245. 2004-09-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  246. 2004-09-04 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  247. 2004-09-04 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  248. 2004-09-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  249. 2004-09-04 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  250. 2004-09-03 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  251. 2004-09-03 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  252. 2004-09-03 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  253. 2004-09-03 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  254. 2004-09-03 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  255. 2004-09-03 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  256. 2004-09-03 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Quite unbeleivable
  257. 2004-09-03 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Quite unbeleivable
  258. 2004-09-02 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Adjusting font sizes and video alignment in Suse 9.1
  259. 2004-09-02 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  260. 2004-09-02 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!? Was RE: [NMLUG] Re:Linux Advocacy FAQ is NOT Linux Advocacy Maxim (RobertDelahunt) (Daniel Lark)
  261. 2004-09-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  262. 2004-09-02 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Assembly
  263. 2004-09-02 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Kerberos Holes Could Bring Serious Exploits (3 Articles Worth Rea
  264. 2004-09-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Assembly
  265. 2004-09-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Assembly
  266. 2004-09-01 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Assembly
  267. 2004-09-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Weekend Activities
  268. 2004-09-01 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [NMLUG] Re: Linux Advocacy FAQ is NOT Linux Advocacy Maxim
  269. 2004-09-01 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] freedom-it
  270. 2004-09-01 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Assembly
  271. 2004-09-01 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Assembly
  272. 2004-09-01 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Xybernaut adds Linux as an OS option
  273. 2004-09-01 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Assembly
  274. 2004-09-01 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Assembly
  275. 2004-09-01 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Assembly
  276. 2004-09-01 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Oklahoma non-profit finds open source OK
  277. 2004-09-01 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Assembly
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