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MESSAGE
DATE 2004-09-03
FROM Adam Kosmin
SUBJECT Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?


Who cares which OS is more secure? That's Open Source propaganda. Free
Software was not created to be "more secure". If a Free kernel, application
or language ends up being more secure, great. That's icing. It's not the
cake.

We need to stop talking about TCO also. These discussions invite too
much FUD from the likes of Didio-wannabes. Same goes for security.

Once we shift the focus to freedom, the disinformation stops because
that is one issue that can not be clouded (e.g. just look at the failure
of Microsoft's Shared Source campaign).

Let's stop talking using language derived from everyone BUT the FSF.

Adam



"
" On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 13:10:55 -0400, Billy wrote
" > On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 05:43:57PM -0500, Steve Milo wrote:
" > > > > is because its not on the desktop as predominantely as windows. I
" > > > > told him two things. 1) I challenged him to find a virus that would
" > > > > crash the machine we were using. I told him I would give him a dollar
" > > > > if he found one that caused the machine to freeze or crash or do
" > > > > something it wasnt supposed to be doing. 2) I told him that tons of
" > > > > corporations and the federal government use Linux for their servers.
" > > >
" > > > > You would think that by this time someone would have found a way to
" > > > > compromise those machines.
" > > >
" > > > Gimme a break... Here's the vulnerabilities in Red Hat THIS MONTH:
" > > >
" > > > http://assburger.org/prepu/uilaou
" > >
" > > That looks like a pretty short list over the course of four years.
" >
" > I apologize.. That was a TERRIBLE link... It only included
" > vulns in the OSVDB containing the word "Red Hat", which isn't
" > really a good way to identify vulns in Linux kernels or apps.
" > Most of the really BIG vulnerabilities didn't appear on the list,
" > and I didn't really review it before sending it off...
" >
" > Look, last week I got an advisory that anyone running Qt-3.3
" > could wind up run arbitrary code by viewing a malicious JPG.
" >
" > CVS is full of holes. SSH holes happen all the time.
" >
" > This stuff happens all the time, and it's usually fixed quickly.
" > But people just DON'T UPDATE what they believe to be their
" > 'totally impenetrable' Linux machines, because they believe the
" > machines are bulletproof. They aren't.
"
" I dont say that GNU/Linux machines are bulletproof GNU/Linux is just better
" and the best alternative out there. But the fundamental difference is that in
" a public environment you could lock down a GNU/Linux box. You can try to lock
" down a microsoft box but there are vulnerabilities discovered all the time.
" Those vulnerabilities are ingrainged in a windows box. On the pcs I have
" maintain all the machines run anti-virus, anti-spam, anti-adware. But if just
" one machine is not updated the whole network and all the microsoft machines
" are affected. It is simply unmanageable, the fires always have to be put out.
" Thats just from my experiences, what about the admins, the programmers,
" developers. Its insane. Its such a gawdawful design from the inside out. MS
" is evil, there is a whole industry within an industry that is dedicated to
" simply securing an ms network.
" GNU/Linux (Suse)? Night and day.
" Forget about security for a moment and look at the utilities that come with
" Suse 9.1. For about 80bucks you get software that can effectively be used as
" a total IT enterprise server. You can put them on as many machines as you
" want 1-10000000 and then some. Support is practically free, hire a competent
" staff and a wise IT manager will have saved their company millions of dollars
" in software and support. If someone doesnt want to learn how to setup a
" GNU/Linux server (especially if that distro comes with a sleek GUI) then that
" person should start looking for another job.
" As far as security goes, like I said before there are hundreds of corporations
" that use GNU/Linux. Many of them have a vested interest maintaining IT
" security. One would think that by this time someone would have figured out a
" way to embaress the people making claims about how secure GNU/Linux.
" On an home user level, how often do regular uses update their windows
" workstaions? More often than not most of the people doing the updating are IT
" departments and hobbyists. The average user is too beffudled with their
" crappy software to see past the smoke and mirrors.
"
"
" > If someone really really needed to get into your machine (say, if the
" > reward were equivalent to $100,000 instead of $1), it's ultimately
" > not that hard to do!
"
" If someone wanted to break into a bank that would be possible if the rewards
" were great enough and someone were crazy enough to do it. If someone wanted
" to circumvent airport security it would be possible. All things are possible
" given enough determination and reward. Analogies are meaningless.
"
" > > > There's plenty of ways into Linux machines.. Yes it's more
" > > > secure than windows, but don't go around wagging your finger
" > > > (and your dollars) in people's faces.
" > >
" > > I certainly will. I have yet to be convinced that I need ms for
" > > anything anymore.
" >
" > you almost certainly don't need MSFT for anything.
" > ____________________________
" > NYLXS: New Yorker Free Software Users Scene
" > Fair Use -
" > because it's either fair use or useless....
" > NYLXS is a trademark of NYLXS, Inc
"
"
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"
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"

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  102. 2004-09-18 From: "rc" <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> RE: [hangout] Sun reports Wall Street sick of Free Software :(
  103. 2004-09-18 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Sun reports Wall Street sick of Free Software :(
  104. 2004-09-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Sun reports Wall Street sick of Free Software :(
  105. 2004-09-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] MYSQL News
  106. 2004-09-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Economist mag
  107. 2004-09-17 From: "rc" <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] SuSE Tech Kit
  108. 2004-09-17 From: "rc" <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Google & Non-Profit Orgs
  109. 2004-09-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Jobs
  110. 2004-09-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] More jobs
  111. 2004-09-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Jobs
  112. 2004-09-16 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Meeting
  113. 2004-09-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] meeting
  114. 2004-09-14 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] meeting
  115. 2004-09-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] meeting
  116. 2004-09-14 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Novell sees a 'both-source' future
  117. 2004-09-14 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] meeting
  118. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Novell sees a 'both-source' future
  119. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Novell sees a 'both-source' future
  120. 2004-09-13 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] Novell sees a 'both-source' future
  121. 2004-09-13 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Novell
  122. 2004-09-13 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Novell sees a 'both-source' future
  123. 2004-09-13 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Novell sees a 'both-source' future
  124. 2004-09-13 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Novell sees a 'both-source' future
  125. 2004-09-13 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] "Linux Backers to Support Standard"
  126. 2004-09-13 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Malware Writers Using Open-Source Tactics
  127. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Web Site Redesign
  128. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Web Site Redesign
  129. 2004-09-13 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Re:
  130. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Brooklyn Tech Servers
  131. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Educational Institution in Need
  132. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Please Handle this first contact... Thanx
  133. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] I am a man, and you are a woman
  134. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Jobs4.2
  135. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Jobs4.0
  136. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Jobs3.8
  137. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Jobs3.5
  138. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Jobs3.3
  139. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Jobs3.1
  140. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Jobs2.5
  141. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Jobs2
  142. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Jobs
  143. 2004-09-12 From: "rc" <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> RE: [hangout] Novell/SuSE offer
  144. 2004-09-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] gnomemeeting
  145. 2004-09-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Astoria Queens LUG building
  146. 2004-09-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Educational Institution in Need
  147. 2004-09-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Volunteer needed urgently in Brooklyn
  148. 2004-09-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: two dimensional arrays passed to functions
  149. 2004-09-10 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: two dimensional arrays passed to functions
  150. 2004-09-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] INDUCE: Copyright Office Recommended Statutory Language
  151. 2004-09-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux Business in New York
  152. 2004-09-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: two dimensional arrays passed to functions
  153. 2004-09-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [Paranoia-dev] valgrind
  154. 2004-09-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Asian Spam - Die Now
  155. 2004-09-09 From: "Ruben" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: two dimensional arrays passed to functions
  156. 2004-09-09 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [DMCA_Discuss] Distributed Search Company Sues RIAA over Patent
  157. 2004-09-09 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: two dimensional arrays passed to functions
  158. 2004-09-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: two dimensional arrays passed to functions
  159. 2004-09-09 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: two dimensional arrays passed to functions
  160. 2004-09-09 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] I have no functional gas according to dosemu
  161. 2004-09-09 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] binutils
  162. 2004-09-09 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Subject: [hangout] DOSEMU for PPC
  163. 2004-09-09 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Novell/SuSE offer
  164. 2004-09-09 From: "Ruben" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: two dimensional arrays passed to functions
  165. 2004-09-09 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Novell/SuSE offer
  166. 2004-09-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] C programming: 2d Arrays
  167. 2004-09-08 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] I have no functional gas according to dosemu
  168. 2004-09-08 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Binutils disregard previous email
  169. 2004-09-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] I have no functional gas according to dosemu
  170. 2004-09-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Binutils disregard previous email
  171. 2004-09-08 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] binutils
  172. 2004-09-08 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] BSCP
  173. 2004-09-08 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] Binutil
  174. 2004-09-08 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Good Morning
  175. 2004-09-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Binutil
  176. 2004-09-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Binutil
  177. 2004-09-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [reply-c9f4-1808-2f6b114cd7-at-nl.internet.com: Your Linux Today Security Letter for September 8, 2004]
  178. 2004-09-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Sybase releases free Express database for Linux
  179. 2004-09-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Binutil
  180. 2004-09-08 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Binutil
  181. 2004-09-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Binutil
  182. 2004-09-08 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Binutil
  183. 2004-09-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Good Morning
  184. 2004-09-07 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Whippersnapper whistle-blowers beware
  185. 2004-09-07 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Whistle-blowers form a breed apart
  186. 2004-09-07 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Windows on Warships
  187. 2004-09-07 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Windows on Warships
  188. 2004-09-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Windows on Warships
  189. 2004-09-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Windows on Warships
  190. 2004-09-07 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Windows on Warships
  191. 2004-09-07 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Printing from Suse 9.1
  192. 2004-09-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Printing from Suse 9.1
  193. 2004-09-07 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Printing from Suse 9.1
  194. 2004-09-07 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Printing from Suse 9.1
  195. 2004-09-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Printing from Suse 9.1
  196. 2004-09-07 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Windows on Warships
  197. 2004-09-06 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Segfault in mysql_real_escape_string
  198. 2004-09-05 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Registers
  199. 2004-09-05 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Registers
  200. 2004-09-05 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] strmov
  201. 2004-09-05 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Registers
  202. 2004-09-05 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  203. 2004-09-05 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Outing.
  204. 2004-09-05 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Outing.
  205. 2004-09-05 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  206. 2004-09-05 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  207. 2004-09-04 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  208. 2004-09-04 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  209. 2004-09-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Help needed with MySQL C API-based client (segfault)
  210. 2004-09-04 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] What is the Linux equivalent to debug.
  211. 2004-09-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Paging Serge
  212. 2004-09-04 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  213. 2004-09-04 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] NYLXS Outing.
  214. 2004-09-04 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Outing.
  215. 2004-09-04 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  216. 2004-09-04 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Outing.
  217. 2004-09-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] MYSQL and C
  218. 2004-09-04 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Enterprise Server Suse
  219. 2004-09-04 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  220. 2004-09-04 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  221. 2004-09-04 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  222. 2004-09-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  223. 2004-09-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  224. 2004-09-04 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  225. 2004-09-04 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  226. 2004-09-04 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  227. 2004-09-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  228. 2004-09-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  229. 2004-09-04 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  230. 2004-09-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  231. 2004-09-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  232. 2004-09-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  233. 2004-09-04 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  234. 2004-09-04 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  235. 2004-09-04 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  236. 2004-09-04 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  237. 2004-09-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  238. 2004-09-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  239. 2004-09-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  240. 2004-09-04 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  241. 2004-09-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  242. 2004-09-04 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  243. 2004-09-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  244. 2004-09-04 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  245. 2004-09-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  246. 2004-09-04 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  247. 2004-09-04 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  248. 2004-09-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  249. 2004-09-04 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  250. 2004-09-03 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  251. 2004-09-03 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  252. 2004-09-03 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  253. 2004-09-03 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  254. 2004-09-03 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  255. 2004-09-03 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  256. 2004-09-03 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Quite unbeleivable
  257. 2004-09-03 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Quite unbeleivable
  258. 2004-09-02 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Adjusting font sizes and video alignment in Suse 9.1
  259. 2004-09-02 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  260. 2004-09-02 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!? Was RE: [NMLUG] Re:Linux Advocacy FAQ is NOT Linux Advocacy Maxim (RobertDelahunt) (Daniel Lark)
  261. 2004-09-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  262. 2004-09-02 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Assembly
  263. 2004-09-02 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Kerberos Holes Could Bring Serious Exploits (3 Articles Worth Rea
  264. 2004-09-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Assembly
  265. 2004-09-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Assembly
  266. 2004-09-01 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Assembly
  267. 2004-09-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Weekend Activities
  268. 2004-09-01 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [NMLUG] Re: Linux Advocacy FAQ is NOT Linux Advocacy Maxim
  269. 2004-09-01 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] freedom-it
  270. 2004-09-01 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Assembly
  271. 2004-09-01 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Assembly
  272. 2004-09-01 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Xybernaut adds Linux as an OS option
  273. 2004-09-01 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Assembly
  274. 2004-09-01 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Assembly
  275. 2004-09-01 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Assembly
  276. 2004-09-01 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Oklahoma non-profit finds open source OK
  277. 2004-09-01 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Assembly
  278. 2004-09-01 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Assembly
  279. 2004-09-01 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Assembly

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