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MESSAGE
DATE 2004-09-01
FROM Steve Milo
SUBJECT Subject: [hangout] Re: [NMLUG] Re: Linux Advocacy FAQ is NOT Linux Advocacy Maxim


In my opinion proprietary software is the bane of society.

Freedom includes being able to produce a product that is far suprerior and
not being ashamed to tout its significant benefits over a crappy
'operating system' (more like an electronic gui environment).

There quite few GPL apps that can do everything Adobe Acrobat and
Photoshop do. As far as Dreamweaver goes, there are ways around that.
I personally avoid any class or course that requires I use a proprietary
closed source app. It is unavoidable sometimes, I am taking assembly and
the professor, although does not have any preference per-se. She suggests
we use either TASM or MASM, if only becuause she is familiar with it. She
also wants the source code, object file printed in the fashion that the
two apps. MASM is a non-entity as far as I am concerned, I avoid ms
products like the plague. I simply have no need to use it, ms has
absolutely *nothing* I need. And quite frankly the greater part of
society will be that much better off if ms is beaten back into its
northwest corner of the country.

Steve M

'Comply' --R Safir 2004

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004, Robert wrote:

> On Wednesday 01 September 2004 12:00 pm, nmlug-request-at-nmlug.org wrote:
>
> > Because adherence to the Linux Advocacy FAQ seems to be "required" for
> > those who wish to participate in the nmlug channel on Freenode, I gave
> > it a read today.
> >
> > Here are my thoughts:
> >
> > While I agree, in principal, with almost everything put forward in this
> > little doc, I do not wish to adhere to it.
>
> Then I guess you don't have to "participate". It's exactly that: principal.
> I refuse to have people bashing distributions and/or other software vendors
> or coders. I refuse to have my channel end up like #debian on Freenode.
> However, I also refuse to have an argument over the NMLUG mailing list as
> well.
>
> > My reasons are simple:
> >
> > In my opinion, Linux is good. Windows is not as good as Linux.
>
> Depends. My wife needs Adobe software, and Dreamweaver, for her college
> classes. Tell me which one wins in this scenario. However, she wishes she
> could use Linux, as I don't have many of the problems she has, or had, before
> Windows XP SP2. Microsoft finally got their act in gear on this fix, so I
> bought her Windows XP, and I've had good results from it so far. This is why
> I am not having this kind of garbage in my room: if something works, it
> works. If it does not, it does not. Linux was about freedom, not about
> being better than everyone else, and not about bashing everyone else.
> However, if you are a former Netscape employee laid off around the time of
> their lawsuit with Microsoft, I will allow you to rant and foam.
>
> > I wish
> > to express my opinion, to whomever would bother to listen or who cares
> > to listen, in whatever way I see fit.
>
> Yes, and it's just as much your right to do so as it is mine to filter you
> out.
>
> > I can bring myself to edit my
> > language, the use of vulgarities is not important to me - but I cannot
> > bring myself to edit my opinions simply to avoid the chance of offending
> > someone.
>
> That wasn't the point of the Advocacy FAQ either. It was to remind us, in
> general, that we are ambassadors of freedom to choose, not zealots who hide
> in an obscure OS and troll the internet.
>
> > Truth be know, I am offended that I would be asked to edit my opinion at
> > all, especially in an "Open Source" discussion channel. Seems a bit odd!
>
> And it seems a bit odd that they would include this Advocacy FAQ in nearly all
> major distributions, in the documentation section. At least Slackware does.
>
> > Call me a crazy American, but I dislike the Thought Police and I refuse
> > to join up.
>
> Then don't join. I never forced you to.
>
> > I am counting the days/minutes/whatever until I am thrown out of the IRC
> > channel for using 'hyperbole' or 'exaggeration' or deciding that I want
> > to say "I don't like Windows, and I think it stinks, no matter what the
> > technology is like, because the company is a champion of mediocrity" -
> > which might violate section 6, the "Canons of Conduct".
>
> I never said I'd kick you for voicing your opinion. The Advocacy FAQ deals
> more with _how_ you say things rather than what you say. I can say that
> Windows is lacking in proper user abilities or something, and that is fine,
> so long as I have proof and I'm not doing it just to be consumed with hatred
> for Microsoft. I can say Linux is lacking in a nice feature Windows has,
> i.e. "lock out user after _# failed logins", but I bet there might be a
> feature out for Linux that I don't know about. I never said you cannot say
> things contrary to any OS or software. It's _how_ you say it, not what you
> say in this case. But did you bother to ask me? Nope. I've never had
> anyone ask about that from my /topic, so even if you had a question, you
> didn't ask. I now know that your point was to bash my channel, not to
> discuss what I meant, or even ask what I meant.
>
> > Of course, there's nothing stopping anyone from setting up a new
> > channel. #nmlug_freespeech anyone?
>
> Of course, it's your "right".
>
> --
> " ... and are endowed by their CREATOR
> with certain unalienable rights ... "
> -- Declaration of Independence
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  103. 2004-09-18 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Sun reports Wall Street sick of Free Software :(
  104. 2004-09-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Sun reports Wall Street sick of Free Software :(
  105. 2004-09-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] MYSQL News
  106. 2004-09-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Economist mag
  107. 2004-09-17 From: "rc" <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] SuSE Tech Kit
  108. 2004-09-17 From: "rc" <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Google & Non-Profit Orgs
  109. 2004-09-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Jobs
  110. 2004-09-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] More jobs
  111. 2004-09-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Jobs
  112. 2004-09-16 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Meeting
  113. 2004-09-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] meeting
  114. 2004-09-14 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] meeting
  115. 2004-09-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] meeting
  116. 2004-09-14 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Novell sees a 'both-source' future
  117. 2004-09-14 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] meeting
  118. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Novell sees a 'both-source' future
  119. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Novell sees a 'both-source' future
  120. 2004-09-13 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] Novell sees a 'both-source' future
  121. 2004-09-13 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Novell
  122. 2004-09-13 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Novell sees a 'both-source' future
  123. 2004-09-13 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Novell sees a 'both-source' future
  124. 2004-09-13 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Novell sees a 'both-source' future
  125. 2004-09-13 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] "Linux Backers to Support Standard"
  126. 2004-09-13 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Malware Writers Using Open-Source Tactics
  127. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Web Site Redesign
  128. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Web Site Redesign
  129. 2004-09-13 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Re:
  130. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Brooklyn Tech Servers
  131. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Educational Institution in Need
  132. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Please Handle this first contact... Thanx
  133. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] I am a man, and you are a woman
  134. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Jobs4.2
  135. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Jobs4.0
  136. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Jobs3.8
  137. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Jobs3.5
  138. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Jobs3.3
  139. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Jobs3.1
  140. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Jobs2.5
  141. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Jobs2
  142. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Jobs
  143. 2004-09-12 From: "rc" <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> RE: [hangout] Novell/SuSE offer
  144. 2004-09-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] gnomemeeting
  145. 2004-09-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Astoria Queens LUG building
  146. 2004-09-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Educational Institution in Need
  147. 2004-09-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Volunteer needed urgently in Brooklyn
  148. 2004-09-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: two dimensional arrays passed to functions
  149. 2004-09-10 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: two dimensional arrays passed to functions
  150. 2004-09-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] INDUCE: Copyright Office Recommended Statutory Language
  151. 2004-09-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux Business in New York
  152. 2004-09-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: two dimensional arrays passed to functions
  153. 2004-09-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [Paranoia-dev] valgrind
  154. 2004-09-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Asian Spam - Die Now
  155. 2004-09-09 From: "Ruben" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: two dimensional arrays passed to functions
  156. 2004-09-09 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [DMCA_Discuss] Distributed Search Company Sues RIAA over Patent
  157. 2004-09-09 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: two dimensional arrays passed to functions
  158. 2004-09-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: two dimensional arrays passed to functions
  159. 2004-09-09 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: two dimensional arrays passed to functions
  160. 2004-09-09 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] I have no functional gas according to dosemu
  161. 2004-09-09 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] binutils
  162. 2004-09-09 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Subject: [hangout] DOSEMU for PPC
  163. 2004-09-09 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Novell/SuSE offer
  164. 2004-09-09 From: "Ruben" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: two dimensional arrays passed to functions
  165. 2004-09-09 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Novell/SuSE offer
  166. 2004-09-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] C programming: 2d Arrays
  167. 2004-09-08 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] I have no functional gas according to dosemu
  168. 2004-09-08 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Binutils disregard previous email
  169. 2004-09-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] I have no functional gas according to dosemu
  170. 2004-09-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Binutils disregard previous email
  171. 2004-09-08 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] binutils
  172. 2004-09-08 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] BSCP
  173. 2004-09-08 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] Binutil
  174. 2004-09-08 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Good Morning
  175. 2004-09-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Binutil
  176. 2004-09-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Binutil
  177. 2004-09-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [reply-c9f4-1808-2f6b114cd7-at-nl.internet.com: Your Linux Today Security Letter for September 8, 2004]
  178. 2004-09-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Sybase releases free Express database for Linux
  179. 2004-09-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Binutil
  180. 2004-09-08 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Binutil
  181. 2004-09-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Binutil
  182. 2004-09-08 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Binutil
  183. 2004-09-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Good Morning
  184. 2004-09-07 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Whippersnapper whistle-blowers beware
  185. 2004-09-07 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Whistle-blowers form a breed apart
  186. 2004-09-07 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Windows on Warships
  187. 2004-09-07 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Windows on Warships
  188. 2004-09-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Windows on Warships
  189. 2004-09-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Windows on Warships
  190. 2004-09-07 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Windows on Warships
  191. 2004-09-07 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Printing from Suse 9.1
  192. 2004-09-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Printing from Suse 9.1
  193. 2004-09-07 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Printing from Suse 9.1
  194. 2004-09-07 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Printing from Suse 9.1
  195. 2004-09-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Printing from Suse 9.1
  196. 2004-09-07 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Windows on Warships
  197. 2004-09-06 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Segfault in mysql_real_escape_string
  198. 2004-09-05 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Registers
  199. 2004-09-05 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Registers
  200. 2004-09-05 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] strmov
  201. 2004-09-05 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Registers
  202. 2004-09-05 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  203. 2004-09-05 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Outing.
  204. 2004-09-05 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Outing.
  205. 2004-09-05 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  206. 2004-09-05 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  207. 2004-09-04 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  208. 2004-09-04 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  209. 2004-09-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Help needed with MySQL C API-based client (segfault)
  210. 2004-09-04 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] What is the Linux equivalent to debug.
  211. 2004-09-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Paging Serge
  212. 2004-09-04 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  213. 2004-09-04 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] NYLXS Outing.
  214. 2004-09-04 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Outing.
  215. 2004-09-04 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  216. 2004-09-04 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Outing.
  217. 2004-09-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] MYSQL and C
  218. 2004-09-04 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Enterprise Server Suse
  219. 2004-09-04 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  220. 2004-09-04 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  221. 2004-09-04 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  222. 2004-09-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  223. 2004-09-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  224. 2004-09-04 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  225. 2004-09-04 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  226. 2004-09-04 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  227. 2004-09-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  228. 2004-09-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  229. 2004-09-04 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  230. 2004-09-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  231. 2004-09-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  232. 2004-09-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  233. 2004-09-04 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  234. 2004-09-04 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  235. 2004-09-04 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  236. 2004-09-04 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  237. 2004-09-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  238. 2004-09-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  239. 2004-09-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  240. 2004-09-04 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  241. 2004-09-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  242. 2004-09-04 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  243. 2004-09-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  244. 2004-09-04 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  245. 2004-09-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  246. 2004-09-04 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  247. 2004-09-04 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  248. 2004-09-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  249. 2004-09-04 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  250. 2004-09-03 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  251. 2004-09-03 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  252. 2004-09-03 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  253. 2004-09-03 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  254. 2004-09-03 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  255. 2004-09-03 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  256. 2004-09-03 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Quite unbeleivable
  257. 2004-09-03 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Quite unbeleivable
  258. 2004-09-02 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Adjusting font sizes and video alignment in Suse 9.1
  259. 2004-09-02 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  260. 2004-09-02 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!? Was RE: [NMLUG] Re:Linux Advocacy FAQ is NOT Linux Advocacy Maxim (RobertDelahunt) (Daniel Lark)
  261. 2004-09-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Advocacy vs. Zealotry vs. Who Cares?!?
  262. 2004-09-02 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Assembly
  263. 2004-09-02 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Kerberos Holes Could Bring Serious Exploits (3 Articles Worth Rea
  264. 2004-09-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Assembly
  265. 2004-09-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Assembly
  266. 2004-09-01 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Assembly
  267. 2004-09-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Weekend Activities
  268. 2004-09-01 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [NMLUG] Re: Linux Advocacy FAQ is NOT Linux Advocacy Maxim
  269. 2004-09-01 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] freedom-it
  270. 2004-09-01 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Assembly
  271. 2004-09-01 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Assembly
  272. 2004-09-01 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Xybernaut adds Linux as an OS option
  273. 2004-09-01 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Assembly
  274. 2004-09-01 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Assembly
  275. 2004-09-01 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Assembly
  276. 2004-09-01 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Oklahoma non-profit finds open source OK
  277. 2004-09-01 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Assembly
  278. 2004-09-01 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Assembly
  279. 2004-09-01 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Assembly

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