NYLXS - Free Software Events

Sat Apr 20 04:03:09 2024

EVENTS

FREE
SOFTWARE
INSTITUTE

POLITICS

JOBS

MEMBERS'
CORNER

MAILING
LIST

NYLXS Members have a lot to say and share but we don't keep many secrets. Join the Hangout Mailing List and say your peice.

DATE 2005-03-01

HANGOUT

2024-04-20 | 2024-03-20 | 2024-02-20 | 2024-01-20 | 2023-12-20 | 2023-11-20 | 2023-10-20 | 2023-09-20 | 2023-08-20 | 2023-07-20 | 2023-06-20 | 2023-05-20 | 2023-04-20 | 2023-03-20 | 2023-02-20 | 2023-01-20 | 2022-12-20 | 2022-11-20 | 2022-10-20 | 2022-09-20 | 2022-08-20 | 2022-07-20 | 2022-06-20 | 2022-05-20 | 2022-04-20 | 2022-03-20 | 2022-02-20 | 2022-01-20 | 2021-12-20 | 2021-11-20 | 2021-10-20 | 2021-09-20 | 2021-08-20 | 2021-07-20 | 2021-06-20 | 2021-05-20 | 2021-04-20 | 2021-03-20 | 2021-02-20 | 2021-01-20 | 2020-12-20 | 2020-11-20 | 2020-10-20 | 2020-09-20 | 2020-08-20 | 2020-07-20 | 2020-06-20 | 2020-05-20 | 2020-04-20 | 2020-03-20 | 2020-02-20 | 2020-01-20 | 2019-12-20 | 2019-11-20 | 2019-10-20 | 2019-09-20 | 2019-08-20 | 2019-07-20 | 2019-06-20 | 2019-05-20 | 2019-04-20 | 2019-03-20 | 2019-02-20 | 2019-01-20 | 2018-12-20 | 2018-11-20 | 2018-10-20 | 2018-09-20 | 2018-08-20 | 2018-07-20 | 2018-06-20 | 2018-05-20 | 2018-04-20 | 2018-03-20 | 2018-02-20 | 2018-01-20 | 2017-12-20 | 2017-11-20 | 2017-10-20 | 2017-09-20 | 2017-08-20 | 2017-07-20 | 2017-06-20 | 2017-05-20 | 2017-04-20 | 2017-03-20 | 2017-02-20 | 2017-01-20 | 2016-12-20 | 2016-11-20 | 2016-10-20 | 2016-09-20 | 2016-08-20 | 2016-07-20 | 2016-06-20 | 2016-05-20 | 2016-04-20 | 2016-03-20 | 2016-02-20 | 2016-01-20 | 2015-12-20 | 2015-11-20 | 2015-10-20 | 2015-09-20 | 2015-08-20 | 2015-07-20 | 2015-06-20 | 2015-05-20 | 2015-04-20 | 2015-03-20 | 2015-02-20 | 2015-01-20 | 2014-12-20 | 2014-11-20 | 2014-10-20 | 2014-09-20 | 2014-08-20 | 2014-07-20 | 2014-06-20 | 2014-05-20 | 2014-04-20 | 2014-03-20 | 2014-02-20 | 2014-01-20 | 2013-12-20 | 2013-11-20 | 2013-10-20 | 2013-09-20 | 2013-08-20 | 2013-07-20 | 2013-06-20 | 2013-05-20 | 2013-04-20 | 2013-03-20 | 2013-02-20 | 2013-01-20 | 2012-12-20 | 2012-11-20 | 2012-10-20 | 2012-09-20 | 2012-08-20 | 2012-07-20 | 2012-06-20 | 2012-05-20 | 2012-04-20 | 2012-03-20 | 2012-02-20 | 2012-01-20 | 2011-12-20 | 2011-11-20 | 2011-10-20 | 2011-09-20 | 2011-08-20 | 2011-07-20 | 2011-06-20 | 2011-05-20 | 2011-04-20 | 2011-03-20 | 2011-02-20 | 2011-01-20 | 2010-12-20 | 2010-11-20 | 2010-10-20 | 2010-09-20 | 2010-08-20 | 2010-07-20 | 2010-06-20 | 2010-05-20 | 2010-04-20 | 2010-03-20 | 2010-02-20 | 2010-01-20 | 2009-12-20 | 2009-11-20 | 2009-10-20 | 2009-09-20 | 2009-08-20 | 2009-07-20 | 2009-06-20 | 2009-05-20 | 2009-04-20 | 2009-03-20 | 2009-02-20 | 2009-01-20 | 2008-12-20 | 2008-11-20 | 2008-10-20 | 2008-09-20 | 2008-08-20 | 2008-07-20 | 2008-06-20 | 2008-05-20 | 2008-04-20 | 2008-03-20 | 2008-02-20 | 2008-01-20 | 2007-12-20 | 2007-11-20 | 2007-10-20 | 2007-09-20 | 2007-08-20 | 2007-07-20 | 2007-06-20 | 2007-05-20 | 2007-04-20 | 2007-03-20 | 2007-02-20 | 2007-01-20 | 2006-12-20 | 2006-11-20 | 2006-10-20 | 2006-09-20 | 2006-08-20 | 2006-07-20 | 2006-06-20 | 2006-05-20 | 2006-04-20 | 2006-03-20 | 2006-02-20 | 2006-01-20 | 2005-12-20 | 2005-11-20 | 2005-10-20 | 2005-09-20 | 2005-08-20 | 2005-07-20 | 2005-06-20 | 2005-05-20 | 2005-04-20 | 2005-03-20 | 2005-02-20 | 2005-01-20 | 2004-12-20 | 2004-11-20 | 2004-10-20 | 2004-09-20 | 2004-08-20 | 2004-07-20 | 2004-06-20 | 2004-05-20 | 2004-04-20 | 2004-03-20 | 2004-02-20 | 2004-01-20 | 2003-12-20 | 2003-11-20 | 2003-10-20 | 2003-09-20 | 2003-08-20 | 2003-07-20 | 2003-06-20 | 2003-05-20 | 2003-04-20 | 2003-03-20 | 2003-02-20 | 2003-01-20 | 2002-12-20 | 2002-11-20 | 2002-10-20 | 2002-09-20 | 2002-08-20 | 2002-07-20 | 2002-06-20 | 2002-05-20 | 2002-04-20 | 2002-03-20 | 2002-02-20 | 2002-01-20 | 2001-12-20 | 2001-11-20 | 2001-10-20 | 2001-09-20 | 2001-08-20 | 2001-07-20 | 2001-06-20 | 2001-05-20 | 2001-04-20 | 2001-03-20 | 2001-02-20 | 2001-01-20 | 2000-12-20 | 2000-11-20 | 2000-10-20 | 2000-09-20 | 2000-08-20 | 2000-07-20 | 2000-06-20 | 2000-05-20 | 2000-04-20 | 2000-03-20 | 2000-02-20 | 2000-01-20 | 1999-12-20

Key: Value:

MESSAGE

DATE	2005-03-03
FROM	dspira@att.net (Dave_att)
SUBJECT	RE: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
Perhaps I should have posted this to all. I have resolved the controversy with my Emails running over Billys, by changing my editor from HTML editor to plain old text editor. I dont know how to go in and change options in MS outlook to make it autowrap at 80 column width. So we take the easy way out. I can switch back to HTML when I need to. Having said this, I do feel that those of us that use "the standard bearer" Email model, MS outlook or Lotus notes, usually takes precidence but since we all want to live in a happy community, so we try an accomodate others. Dave Billy, I like your posts, so Im going to break my old habit of letting the program do what its supposed to do but really doesn't do it. I will give you a carrige return before the email program auto wraps. Dave -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Billy > > Dave_att wrote: > > Billy, > > > > The "ENTER" key is my carrige return and linefeed. How else can I put in a > linefeed after each sentence? I may have my linefeed set to more than 80 > characters per line. I dont think I can change that. > > > > I'll repost this message my way: > > The "ENTER" key is my carrige return and linefeed. How else can I > put in a linefeed after each sentence? I may have my linefeed set > to more than 80 characters per line. I dont think I can change that. > > no problem. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Martin, Jared" > > I think there is something very trivial here I'm missing, perhaps I'd have to > see both ends of the line to see the formatting effects. For now I'll just take > your word for it. Thanks for your time, not trying to irritate anyone. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Billy [mailto:billy-at-dadadada.net] > Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 3:30 PM > To: Martin, Jared > Cc: Hangout (E-mail) > Subject: Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it .... > > > Martin, Jared wrote: > > I've found that my Blackberry doesn't terminate lines the way you like, but > > what about this line from Outlook? What happens if I send it as rich text or > > html? > > Please don't. > > > Here are my arguments of why I feel you can't expect the world to use > > linefeeds at the end of each line in e-mails: > > Very good. > > > * Understand the implications of being in the far minority - Although > > OpenSource is great, a person using Linux/Opensource must still understand > > that the large majority of the world does not. > > I'm holding YOU to a higher standard. This is an extension of respect. > > > I don't see how you can expect the world to change their procedures when > > writing e-mails, when the large majority of people do not have the > > linefeed-less reading disability you're mentioning. > > For the 4th time, it's not a reading disability. > The majority of people using email are idiots. > Rise above the mediocrity if you want to be respected. > > > And Opensource has just > > as many programs that support this as any other source. A similar situation > > is when mac users send mac formatted documents to our firm and expect our > > users to be able to open and use them. In my opinion, mac is great if you > > have the pockets for it, but mac users, like linux users to a lesser degree > > must understand that most users do not use the same formats, and should take > > it upon themselves to make up for the difference and understand that to be > > part of the current drawbacks of using a stable computer. > > > * Any rule of eitiquette regarding linefeeds at the end of each line must > > be antiquated - We are way beyond the days of typewriters when you used the > > enter key at the end of each line. Keep up with the times. > > This is not the law of the net. The law of the net is Postel's Law. > Look it up and you'll learn more than you would if I simply told you what it > is. > > > True, most hackers would use linefeeds, but most of them developed their > > e-mail writing habits when this was a nesecity, and although there was a day > > when hackers held a large percentage of those using networks, those days are > > long gone. We constantly have to ask ourselves are our decisions made to make > > life easier for ourselves or for the users we are programming/working for? > > I don't work for you. I don't have to tolerate your ignorance of netiquette. > When you get on the net, you're entering a long-established community with a > culture and rich traditions. You're expected to behave according to > established norms so as not to annoy us. Deliberate dismissal of this culture > as 'antiquated' can be construed as an act of agression. When in Rome.... > > > The same principle applies. This becomes even more clearer when you consider > > the fact that the very concept of e-mail is to be an electrinic form of the > > normal (snail) mail system which standards do not permit linefeeds/carraige > > returns at the end of each line, but only at the end of the paragraphs. > > snail mail isn't digital, layout is physical, and requires no control codes > (other than normal English punctuation). This is obvious. > > > * Having linefeeds about every 80 characters makes editing a real chore - > > Every time I go to add something in I have to change the linefeeds throught > > the entire document. This is a menial task which should be handled by the > > software. > > If it isn't, then YOUR software sucks. > See if you can find a "rewrap" somewhere. > > > * Get a new e-mail client - I dare say most of the e-mail software in use > > today handles this issue gracefully. I don't see how you can expect the world > > to spend their precious time insterting characters into their e-mails that > > the large majority of readers will never see, and which, those who do see it > > could remedy the problem by simply using a more sophisticated e-mail client > > or patch the one you're using. > > I am using Thunderbird 1.0 and mutt4. These are both less than a year old. > The issue cannot be handled gracefully by an non-psychic program. > > > Of course I realize that in this group I am probably in the minority and for > > that reason I aquiesce and inserted the linefeeds as you requested. > > > > Just my humble opinion. I'm expecting a smart response exposing my youthful > > ignorance once again, but I suppose that's how one learns. > > That's the spirit. > > ____________________________ > NYLXS: New Yorker Free Software Users Scene > Fair Use - > because it's either fair use or useless.... > NYLXS is a trademark of NYLXS, Inc ____________________________ NYLXS: New Yorker Free Software Users Scene Fair Use - because it's either fair use or useless.... NYLXS is a trademark of NYLXS, Inc