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DATE 2005-03-03
FROM Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS
SUBJECT Subject: [hangout] Suitwatch Linux Journal

SuitWatch--March 3

Views on Linux in Business

--by Doc Searls, Senior Editor of Linux Journal
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The Greater Zero

"Battle Lessons: What the Generals Don't Know":
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?050117fa_fact is a long report
by Dan Baum in the January 17, 2005, issue of The New Yorker. It's a
fascinating report on one way the US Armed Forces adapted to Iraq, on
the ground, without top-down help from brass who were not in the best
position to provide the necessary clues:

These officers, scrambling to bring order to Mosul, Fallujah, and
Baghdad, had been trained and equipped to fight against numbered,
mechanized regiments in open-maneuver warfare. They had been taught
to avoid fighting in cities at all costs. Few had received
pre-deployment training in improvised explosive devices, or
I.E.D.s, the insurgents' signature weapon. None had received any
but the most rudimentary instruction in the Arabic language or in
Iraqi culture. They were perhaps the most isolated occupation force
in history; there are no bars or brothels in Baghdad where
Americans can relax, no place off the base for Americans to remove
their body armor in the presence of locals. Every encounter was
potentially hostile. The chronic shortage of troops and shifting
phases of fighting and reconstruction forced soldiers into jobs for
which they weren't prepared; Wong found field artillerymen,
tankers, and engineers serving as infantrymen, while infantrymen
were building sewer systems and running town councils. All were
working with what Wong calls "a surprising lack of detailed
guidance from higher headquarters." In short, the Iraq that Wong
found is precisely the kind of unpredictable environment in which a
cohort of hidebound and inflexible officers would prove disastrous.

And:

Yet he found the opposite. Platoon and company commanders were
exercising their initiative to the point of occasional genius.
Whatever else the Iraq war is doing to American power and prestige,
it is producing the creative and flexible junior officers that the
Army's training could not.

After suggesting several generational reasons for this, Baum adds:

The younger officers have another advantage over their superiors:
they grew up with the Internet, and have created for themselves, in
their spare time, a means of sharing with one another, online,
information that the Army does not control. The "slackers" in the
junior-officer corps are turning out to be just what the Army needs
in the chaos of Iraq. Instead of looking up to the Army for
instructions, they are teaching themselves how to fight the war.
The Army, to its credit, stays out of their way.

He goes on to tell the story of how soldiers developed their own
Net-based experience sharing system. One is Companycommand.com:
http://companycommand.army.mil/ and the other is Platoonleader.org:
http://platoonleader.army.mil/. Long story short, these and other DIY
(do-it-yourself) efforts have led to positive results. One measure of
their success is the new .mil addresses sported by both sites. Baum
explains:

Little by little, the Army is absorbing Companycommand.com and
Platoonleader.org. In 2002, West Point put Platoonleader on its
server, and a year later added Companycommand; both sites now have
military addresses. The Army also began paying the Web site's
expenses. It sent all four of its founders to graduate school to
earn Ph.D.s, so that they can become professors at West Point,
where they will run the sites as part of their jobs. And the Army
is starting to pay the Web sites the sincerest form of flattery: in
April, the commanding general of the First Cavalry Division, Major
General Peter Chiarelli, ordered up a conversation site for his
officers. Cavnet, as it's known, exists only on siprnet, and is
vetted, as an official Army site. "We had a guy put up something
that wasn't within the rules of engagement," Major Patrick
Michaelis, who created the site, told me, "and within half an hour
the staff judge-advocate guys put a response up." But, of all the
Web-based means of sharing combat information, Cavnet is the most
immediate. While call is used mostly in training units in the U.S.,
and both Companycommand and Platoonleader are intended to build
leadership skills and share general tips and tricks about fighting
in Iraq, Cavnet is oriented, Michaelis said, to "the next patrol,
six to nine hours out." Lieutenant Keith Wilson, for example, read
a "be on the look out" posting about insurgents who were wiring
grenades behind posters of Moqtada al-Sadr, counting on Americans
to detonate the explosives when they ripped the posters down. He
spread the word among his men, and a few days later a soldier whom
he'd sent to peel a poster off a wall peeked behind it first. Sure
enough, a grenade was waiting.

The punch line, however, comes earlier in the piece, between the point
when the sites were built and when the Army took them in-house:

"Hey guys," one captain wrote. "Remember this is an open-source Web
site. Everything you type is being read by the enemy."

I'm sure that captain was not familiar with the OSI's Open Source
definition:
http://www.opensource.org/docs/definition.php. I doubt he even knew
precisely what "open source" meant in the first place (which was
roughly, if not exactly, when Eric S. Raymond announced it:
http://www.catb.org/~esr/open-source.html in February 1998). Instead,
he was using a term Google finds repeated more than 27 million places
on the Web and which has come to hold much more than its original
meaning. Just as "ground zero" is no longer confined to exploding
bombs, "open source" is no longer confined to software.

At LinuxWorld Expo in February, Martin Fink, General Manager of HP's
Linux Systems Division, gave a keynote in which he lamented--as have
many others--the proliferation of software licenses certified by the
Open Source Initiative:
http://opensource.org. From a Builder.au:
http://builderau.com.au/program/work/0,39024650,39177963,00.htm
report:

"This current path of approving licenses--based simply on the
compliance to a specification rather than on the basis of a new
license's ability to further innovate the business model of the
open-source industry--represents to me a clear and present danger
to the very core of what makes open source work," Fink said. "If
this is the path the OSI continues to choose, then it is choosing a
path towards irrelevance."

I'm not so sure.

The OSI has been defined by its definition:
http://www.opensource.org/docs/definition.php since the beginning. The
fact that it attracts so much heat attests to the importance of both
the organization and its definition.

I happen to believe it's in the best interest of software developers
to choose familiar and understandable licenses. I also believe that
restricting the number of licenses the OSI approves risks putting the
OSI out of compliance with its own definition.

Let's face it: the whole thing is complicated naturally and changing
rapidly. Creativity has that effect. So does politics, of course. And
so does populating the world with an abundance of highly varied
infrastructural building materials that work best because they're open
to all kinds of uses. How do you put limits on defining all that?

I think it helps to take a wider view--one that appreciates what open
source has come to mean outside the industry as well as inside. I
think there's a large value system involved here, and we don't yet
know its full scope, much less its fine definitions.

And by "we" I don't mean just what we used to call "the open source
world".

--
Doc Searls:
mailto:doc-at-ssc.com is Senior Editor of Linux Journal. He writes the
Linux for Suits column for Linux Journal. He also presides over Doc
Searls' IT Garage:
http://garage.docsearls.com, which is published by SSC, the publisher
of Linux Journal.
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  1. 2005-03-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Wednesday March 16 2005 Minutes
  2. 2005-03-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [mbmiller-at-taxa.epi.umn.edu: GNU GPL and NIH/NSF software and publications - a thought
  3. 2005-03-22 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Dice.Com Bullish on Linux Career Prospects
  4. 2005-03-22 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Novell announces small-business Linux bundle
  5. 2005-03-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Meetings this week
  6. 2005-03-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] I think we got Manhattan Space for a resonable cost.
  7. 2005-03-21 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] LinuxWorld Conference & Expo Canada - 2005
  8. 2005-03-21 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] GPL Violation in Emergecore IT in a Box
  9. 2005-03-21 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Yahoo not supporting Firefox after all
  10. 2005-03-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] DMCA - We don't need no stinken DMCA
  11. 2005-03-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Syrian News
  12. 2005-03-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Continuing bad news on the DRM front
  13. 2005-03-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Bridge and Tunnel People
  14. 2005-03-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Hardware security sneaks into PCs
  15. 2005-03-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Hardware security sneaks into PCs
  16. 2005-03-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Minutes - Joann we need them now!
  17. 2005-03-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Hardware security sneaks into PCs
  18. 2005-03-19 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] I cant believe it department.
  19. 2005-03-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] I cant believe it department.
  20. 2005-03-18 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Hardware security sneaks into PCs
  21. 2005-03-18 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] FW: Open Source Business Conference Update: New Keynote Speaker
  22. 2005-03-18 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] MIT backs Brazil's choice of Linux over Microsoft
  23. 2005-03-18 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] FW: The New IBM LinuxLine
  24. 2005-03-18 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] I cant believe it department.
  25. 2005-03-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Last Nights Meeting and follow up
  26. 2005-03-17 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Hardware security sneaks into PCs
  27. 2005-03-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Hardware security sneaks into PCs
  28. 2005-03-17 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Hardware security sneaks into PCs
  29. 2005-03-17 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Marriott Meeting Followup - Thank You All!
  30. 2005-03-17 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Subject: [hangout] Improving your presentation Skills.
  31. 2005-03-17 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Companies accused of violating the GPL
  32. 2005-03-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [vjs-at-calcite.rhyolite.com: pending license change]
  33. 2005-03-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: pending license change
  34. 2005-03-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] EDS: Linux is insecure, unscalable
  35. 2005-03-16 From: "P.Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord-hs.org> Re: [hangout] EDS: Linux is insecure, unscalable
  36. 2005-03-16 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] EDS: Linux is insecure, unscalable
  37. 2005-03-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Knoppix 3.8 and UnionFS. Wow. Just Wow.
  38. 2005-03-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] EDS: Linux is insecure, unscalable
  39. 2005-03-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] EDS: Linux is insecure, unscalable
  40. 2005-03-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] EDS: Linux is insecure, unscalable
  41. 2005-03-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Nylxs Marriot Meeting
  42. 2005-03-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Nylxs Marriot Meeting
  43. 2005-03-16 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Subject: [hangout] Nylxs Marriot Meeting
  44. 2005-03-16 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Fw: [Politics] Third-grader commutes to school by mule
  45. 2005-03-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [meissner-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SUSE Security Announcement: multiple Mozilla Firefox vulnerabilities (SUSE-SA:2005:016)]
  46. 2005-03-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Distrowatch News
  47. 2005-03-15 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Meeting
  48. 2005-03-15 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Fedora takes off as Red Hat declines
  49. 2005-03-15 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Solaris 10 Heads for Linux Territory
  50. 2005-03-15 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] SuSE takeover 'pushed customers to Debian'
  51. 2005-03-15 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Subject: [hangout] Meeting ACSSLI train sched.
  52. 2005-03-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fw: Reminder: ACSS meeting this Tuesday at 6:30
  53. 2005-03-14 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Fw: Reminder: ACSS meeting this Tuesday at 6:30
  54. 2005-03-14 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Fw: Reminder: ACSS meeting this Tuesday at 6:30
  55. 2005-03-14 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux a picture of health at CeBIT
  56. 2005-03-14 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Open-Source Software Boon to Oregon Economy
  57. 2005-03-14 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Freeware version of Windows-to-Linux desktop migration tool now a
  58. 2005-03-14 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Suse CEO interview
  59. 2005-03-14 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Mozilla ditches browser suite development
  60. 2005-03-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Paging Adam Kosmin
  61. 2005-03-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Page Joe Grastara
  62. 2005-03-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Meeting
  63. 2005-03-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Suse CEO interview
  64. 2005-03-14 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] NYLXS Meeting
  65. 2005-03-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Meeting
  66. 2005-03-11 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Theo de Raadt presented with the 2004 Free Software Award
  67. 2005-03-11 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Yellow Dog Linux 4.0.1 Available for Free Download
  68. 2005-03-11 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Test
  69. 2005-03-11 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] A first look at OpenOffice.org 2.0
  70. 2005-03-10 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] SUSE LINUX Professional 9.3 will be shipping mid-April, 2005,
  71. 2005-03-09 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Perl and stacks
  72. 2005-03-09 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Perl and stacks
  73. 2005-03-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] A first look at OpenOffice.org 2.0
  74. 2005-03-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Spam Filter Twiking
  75. 2005-03-09 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Perl and stacks
  76. 2005-03-09 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Perl and stacks
  77. 2005-03-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Feature: OpenBSD's "Out of the Box" Wireless Support
  78. 2005-03-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Best Magazine Cover I've ever seen
  79. 2005-03-07 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [NMLUG] NASA World Wind 1.3 released - only on W2K/XP platform!
  80. 2005-03-07 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Best Magazine Cover I've ever seen
  81. 2005-03-07 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] A first look at OpenOffice.org 2.0
  82. 2005-03-07 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] NYLUG down?
  83. 2005-03-07 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Best Magazine Cover I've ever seen
  84. 2005-03-06 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Best Magazine Cover I've ever seen
  85. 2005-03-06 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Best Magazine Cover I've ever seen
  86. 2005-03-06 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Best Magazine Cover I've ever seen
  87. 2005-03-06 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Best Magazine Cover I've ever seen
  88. 2005-03-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Best Magazine Cover I've ever seen
  89. 2005-03-06 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [hangout] Fw: [wwwac] origin of software licensing (?)
  90. 2005-03-05 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLUG down?
  91. 2005-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Best Magazine Cover I've ever seen
  92. 2005-03-04 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [hangout] Fw: Your showtimes for Loews 34th Street
  93. 2005-03-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  94. 2005-03-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] DRM-free online music store.
  95. 2005-03-03 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Subject: [hangout] DRM-free online music store.
  96. 2005-03-03 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] I wont be at tonights meeting ---> which is where?
  97. 2005-03-03 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) RE: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  98. 2005-03-03 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  99. 2005-03-03 From: "Martin, Jared" <JMartin-at-dglaw.com> RE: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  100. 2005-03-03 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  101. 2005-03-03 From: "Martin, Jared" <JMartin-at-dglaw.com> RE: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  102. 2005-03-03 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Dot mil sites.
  103. 2005-03-03 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] College Board Schools recruiting Teachers, etc., Monday, March 21 st (fwd)
  104. 2005-03-03 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] College Board Schools recruiting Teachers, etc., Monday, March 21
  105. 2005-03-03 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Dot mil sites.
  106. 2005-03-03 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] I wont be at tonights meeting.
  107. 2005-03-03 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [meissner-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SUSE Security Announcement: cyrus-sasl remote code execution (SUSE-SA:2005:013)]
  108. 2005-03-03 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Suitwatch Linux Journal
  109. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  110. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  111. 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  112. 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  113. 2005-03-02 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Starting a club at BC (report from the trenches).
  114. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom?
  115. 2005-03-02 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom..
  116. 2005-03-02 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  117. 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom?
  118. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  119. 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  120. 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom?
  121. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom?
  122. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  123. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom?
  124. 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  125. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom?
  126. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  127. 2005-03-02 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom?
  128. 2005-03-02 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  129. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom?
  130. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  131. 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom?
  132. 2005-03-02 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom?
  133. 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  134. 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  135. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  136. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  137. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Baby goes boom?
  138. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  139. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  140. 2005-03-02 From: "Martin, Jared" <JMartin-at-dglaw.com> RE: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  141. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  142. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  143. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  144. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Getting paid for your work...
  145. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  146. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  147. 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  148. 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  149. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Sir Bill
  150. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  151. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] wikipedia NYLXS entry
  152. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Sir Bill
  153. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Q&A: Author of Dude, Did I Steal Your Job? sounds off
  154. 2005-03-01 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Email problem.
  155. 2005-03-30 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] P2P and the Supreme Court
  156. 2005-03-30 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] 2nd Annual Brewtopia World Beer Festival (NYC)
  157. 2005-03-30 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  158. 2005-03-30 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  159. 2005-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The World is Coming to an End - No kidding
  160. 2005-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] P2P and the Supreme Court
  161. 2005-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] HP and HRD - not what you think :)
  162. 2005-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  163. 2005-03-30 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  164. 2005-03-30 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  165. 2005-03-30 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  166. 2005-03-30 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  167. 2005-03-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  168. 2005-03-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  169. 2005-03-29 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  170. 2005-03-29 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) RE: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  171. 2005-03-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  172. 2005-03-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  173. 2005-03-29 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  174. 2005-03-29 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  175. 2005-03-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  176. 2005-03-29 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  177. 2005-03-29 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  178. 2005-03-28 From: "P.Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord-hs.org> Re: [hangout] File Sharing P2P
  179. 2005-03-28 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] De Montfort University switches to SUSE Linux
  180. 2005-03-28 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Adobe 7.0 reader for Linux now available
  181. 2005-03-27 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NIH/NSF projects and the GPL
  182. 2005-03-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] File Sharing P2P
  183. 2005-03-26 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] File Sharing Wars
  184. 2005-03-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fund Raising Committee
  185. 2005-03-26 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Fund Raising Committee
  186. 2005-03-26 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fund Raising Committee
  187. 2005-03-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Freedom-IT Results
  188. 2005-03-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Note: If IE is insecure - WINDOWS is INSECURE
  189. 2005-03-25 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Note: If IE is insecure - WINDOWS is INSECURE
  190. 2005-03-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Note: If IE is insecure - WINDOWS is INSECURE
  191. 2005-03-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Note: If IE is insecure - WINDOWS is INSECURE
  192. 2005-03-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The Trill of the Download
  193. 2005-03-25 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Switch to DSL
  194. 2005-03-25 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Telephoney in the Times
  195. 2005-03-25 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Freedom-IT Meeting Notes
  196. 2005-03-25 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Mind Boggling News from the Scientific Front
  197. 2005-03-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Freedom-IT Meeting Notes?
  198. 2005-03-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Programmers bypass Red Hat Linux fees
  199. 2005-03-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Open Source: Free Windows Apps
  200. 2005-03-24 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Subject: [hangout] What it's like to run windows
  201. 2005-03-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [alt.sports.baseball.ny-mets] OT: Abbott and Costello, Meet the Cybermen
  202. 2005-03-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Freedom-IT meeting
  203. 2005-03-23 From: "P.Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord-hs.org> Re: [hangout] Freedom-IT meeting
  204. 2005-03-23 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Wednesday March 16 2005 Minutes
  205. 2005-03-23 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Wednesday March 16 2005 Minutes
  206. 2005-03-23 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Subject: [hangout] Wednesday March 16 2005 Minutes
  207. 2005-03-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Freedom-IT meeting

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