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MESSAGE
DATE 2005-03-27
FROM Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS
SUBJECT Subject: [hangout] NIH/NSF projects and the GPL

Dear Mr Miller

I've looked over the correspondence between you and Richard, and also
looked over email that you sent to me, and while I don't see a specific
request for my help with any specific action, I'll give you my overall
view of the topics and the means by which you can quickly be made to understand
Richard's position and its consequences to the issues you raise about
government, and specifically NIH/NFS funded research and software developmemt
work.

First, let me preface these comments by saying that I don't speak for
Mr. Stallman, and that our views are substantially different in a number
of areas. However, Richard and I share the same goals and specific
philosophies with regard to creative works in the general, and publically
funded works in the specific.

Richard started the Free Software movement based specifically on the priniciple
that in a free society, cultural works, and specifically computer programs,
must be free for security and participation of individuals. In a society
increasingly dependent on digital systems for our daily living, guarantees
of freedom with the code base is the only means of assuring individual
freedom, the cornerstone of every free society. It is not the supporters
of the Free Software Foundation contention that this is an economic issue,
but a political question, which today is as critical to our freedom as the
concept of A Free Press was in the 18th Century. All other economic, copyright
and business issues aside, this is a self-evident truth. Freedom requires
this level of transparency.

As the importance and subsequent benifits of the Free Software philosophy
became more evident in the late 1990's, others, trying to capitalize on the
economic benifits of Software Freedom, essentially tried to water down the
essential doctrims digital freedom, tried to repackage the core values
in order to make it more palipatable for businesses with economic stakes
in the currently accepted "intellectual property" regime, and I use that term
reluctantly and with full knowldge that it is ultimately a meaningless
legal concept which promotes disinformaion about the facts of very nature of
creative works.

The problem with the "Open Source" movement, is that it ultimately rests
on arguements which can, and in fact, have been swept aside, according to
the economic needs of the businesses and corperations which control the
legal copyrights to works. And in fact, the NIH and NFS are examples of
what happens when philosophies similar to "Open Source" are used to
protect what is actually human rights issues.

As a Pharmacist and Computer programmer, I'm very interested in what happens
with government sponsored research. Aside from the other overr-arching
priciples which I've enumerated above, the sole reason for the government to
use taxpayers money for medical and scientific research is that such research
would not be otherwise funded or encouraged without the direct infussion of
taxpayer dollars into the said research, and that furthermore, such research
is necessesary for the publics good. Therefore, there is no economic or
business arguments which can be made, outside of say national security for
projects similar to the Manhattan Project, either for or against the limitation
of access or the aquisition of government funded research by issuing any
monopoly, whether that be copyrights, patents or any other legal limitations,
to such funded works. Any such intervention is defactually contraindicated
with the governments intervention in the research in the first place.

As such, it is not so much that a $25 fee to aquire copies of research that is
offense, if that is the money needed by NFS or NIH to cover costs of providing
the information or helping to fund the research, but the limitation of sharing
that information freely with all members of the scientific communinity once
it is obtained by individuals of the public. Any frankly, I know it is not
such a great idea for cancer patients to be baseing their opinions and
evaluations of treatments on primary research. Despite public misconceptions,
these studies are not conclusive, understandable, or indicate any treatment
options. It could take hundreds of studies to make a foundation for conclusive
medical evidence which should be used for actually treatment. These patients
get enough misinformation as it is.

In this regard, I hope I've helped clarify the items being discussed, and I
would be happy to help you in the future. In fact, I'm working on a
Pharmacy Free Software program which NIH might have an interest in, which
will likely save millions of lives from misdosing by enabling Pharmacists to
better have better oversite of patient drug therapy based on the patients
health status at the time of treatment.

Yours Truly

Ruben Safir RPh
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  1. 2005-03-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Wednesday March 16 2005 Minutes
  2. 2005-03-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [mbmiller-at-taxa.epi.umn.edu: GNU GPL and NIH/NSF software and publications - a thought
  3. 2005-03-22 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Dice.Com Bullish on Linux Career Prospects
  4. 2005-03-22 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Novell announces small-business Linux bundle
  5. 2005-03-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Meetings this week
  6. 2005-03-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] I think we got Manhattan Space for a resonable cost.
  7. 2005-03-21 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] LinuxWorld Conference & Expo Canada - 2005
  8. 2005-03-21 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] GPL Violation in Emergecore IT in a Box
  9. 2005-03-21 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Yahoo not supporting Firefox after all
  10. 2005-03-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] DMCA - We don't need no stinken DMCA
  11. 2005-03-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Syrian News
  12. 2005-03-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Continuing bad news on the DRM front
  13. 2005-03-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Bridge and Tunnel People
  14. 2005-03-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Hardware security sneaks into PCs
  15. 2005-03-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Hardware security sneaks into PCs
  16. 2005-03-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Minutes - Joann we need them now!
  17. 2005-03-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Hardware security sneaks into PCs
  18. 2005-03-19 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] I cant believe it department.
  19. 2005-03-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] I cant believe it department.
  20. 2005-03-18 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Hardware security sneaks into PCs
  21. 2005-03-18 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] FW: Open Source Business Conference Update: New Keynote Speaker
  22. 2005-03-18 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] MIT backs Brazil's choice of Linux over Microsoft
  23. 2005-03-18 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] FW: The New IBM LinuxLine
  24. 2005-03-18 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] I cant believe it department.
  25. 2005-03-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Last Nights Meeting and follow up
  26. 2005-03-17 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Hardware security sneaks into PCs
  27. 2005-03-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Hardware security sneaks into PCs
  28. 2005-03-17 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Hardware security sneaks into PCs
  29. 2005-03-17 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Marriott Meeting Followup - Thank You All!
  30. 2005-03-17 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Subject: [hangout] Improving your presentation Skills.
  31. 2005-03-17 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Companies accused of violating the GPL
  32. 2005-03-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [vjs-at-calcite.rhyolite.com: pending license change]
  33. 2005-03-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: pending license change
  34. 2005-03-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] EDS: Linux is insecure, unscalable
  35. 2005-03-16 From: "P.Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord-hs.org> Re: [hangout] EDS: Linux is insecure, unscalable
  36. 2005-03-16 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] EDS: Linux is insecure, unscalable
  37. 2005-03-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Knoppix 3.8 and UnionFS. Wow. Just Wow.
  38. 2005-03-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] EDS: Linux is insecure, unscalable
  39. 2005-03-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] EDS: Linux is insecure, unscalable
  40. 2005-03-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] EDS: Linux is insecure, unscalable
  41. 2005-03-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Nylxs Marriot Meeting
  42. 2005-03-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Nylxs Marriot Meeting
  43. 2005-03-16 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Subject: [hangout] Nylxs Marriot Meeting
  44. 2005-03-16 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Fw: [Politics] Third-grader commutes to school by mule
  45. 2005-03-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [meissner-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SUSE Security Announcement: multiple Mozilla Firefox vulnerabilities (SUSE-SA:2005:016)]
  46. 2005-03-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Distrowatch News
  47. 2005-03-15 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Meeting
  48. 2005-03-15 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Fedora takes off as Red Hat declines
  49. 2005-03-15 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Solaris 10 Heads for Linux Territory
  50. 2005-03-15 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] SuSE takeover 'pushed customers to Debian'
  51. 2005-03-15 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Subject: [hangout] Meeting ACSSLI train sched.
  52. 2005-03-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fw: Reminder: ACSS meeting this Tuesday at 6:30
  53. 2005-03-14 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Fw: Reminder: ACSS meeting this Tuesday at 6:30
  54. 2005-03-14 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Fw: Reminder: ACSS meeting this Tuesday at 6:30
  55. 2005-03-14 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux a picture of health at CeBIT
  56. 2005-03-14 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Open-Source Software Boon to Oregon Economy
  57. 2005-03-14 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Freeware version of Windows-to-Linux desktop migration tool now a
  58. 2005-03-14 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Suse CEO interview
  59. 2005-03-14 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Mozilla ditches browser suite development
  60. 2005-03-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Paging Adam Kosmin
  61. 2005-03-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Page Joe Grastara
  62. 2005-03-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Meeting
  63. 2005-03-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Suse CEO interview
  64. 2005-03-14 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] NYLXS Meeting
  65. 2005-03-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Meeting
  66. 2005-03-11 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Theo de Raadt presented with the 2004 Free Software Award
  67. 2005-03-11 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Yellow Dog Linux 4.0.1 Available for Free Download
  68. 2005-03-11 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Test
  69. 2005-03-11 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] A first look at OpenOffice.org 2.0
  70. 2005-03-10 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] SUSE LINUX Professional 9.3 will be shipping mid-April, 2005,
  71. 2005-03-09 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Perl and stacks
  72. 2005-03-09 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Perl and stacks
  73. 2005-03-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] A first look at OpenOffice.org 2.0
  74. 2005-03-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Spam Filter Twiking
  75. 2005-03-09 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Perl and stacks
  76. 2005-03-09 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Perl and stacks
  77. 2005-03-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Feature: OpenBSD's "Out of the Box" Wireless Support
  78. 2005-03-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Best Magazine Cover I've ever seen
  79. 2005-03-07 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [NMLUG] NASA World Wind 1.3 released - only on W2K/XP platform!
  80. 2005-03-07 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Best Magazine Cover I've ever seen
  81. 2005-03-07 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] A first look at OpenOffice.org 2.0
  82. 2005-03-07 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] NYLUG down?
  83. 2005-03-07 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Best Magazine Cover I've ever seen
  84. 2005-03-06 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Best Magazine Cover I've ever seen
  85. 2005-03-06 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Best Magazine Cover I've ever seen
  86. 2005-03-06 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Best Magazine Cover I've ever seen
  87. 2005-03-06 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Best Magazine Cover I've ever seen
  88. 2005-03-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Best Magazine Cover I've ever seen
  89. 2005-03-06 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [hangout] Fw: [wwwac] origin of software licensing (?)
  90. 2005-03-05 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLUG down?
  91. 2005-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Best Magazine Cover I've ever seen
  92. 2005-03-04 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [hangout] Fw: Your showtimes for Loews 34th Street
  93. 2005-03-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  94. 2005-03-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] DRM-free online music store.
  95. 2005-03-03 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Subject: [hangout] DRM-free online music store.
  96. 2005-03-03 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] I wont be at tonights meeting ---> which is where?
  97. 2005-03-03 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) RE: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  98. 2005-03-03 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  99. 2005-03-03 From: "Martin, Jared" <JMartin-at-dglaw.com> RE: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  100. 2005-03-03 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  101. 2005-03-03 From: "Martin, Jared" <JMartin-at-dglaw.com> RE: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  102. 2005-03-03 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Dot mil sites.
  103. 2005-03-03 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] College Board Schools recruiting Teachers, etc., Monday, March 21 st (fwd)
  104. 2005-03-03 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] College Board Schools recruiting Teachers, etc., Monday, March 21
  105. 2005-03-03 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Dot mil sites.
  106. 2005-03-03 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] I wont be at tonights meeting.
  107. 2005-03-03 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [meissner-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SUSE Security Announcement: cyrus-sasl remote code execution (SUSE-SA:2005:013)]
  108. 2005-03-03 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Suitwatch Linux Journal
  109. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  110. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  111. 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  112. 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  113. 2005-03-02 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Starting a club at BC (report from the trenches).
  114. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom?
  115. 2005-03-02 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom..
  116. 2005-03-02 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  117. 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom?
  118. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  119. 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  120. 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom?
  121. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom?
  122. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  123. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom?
  124. 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  125. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom?
  126. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  127. 2005-03-02 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom?
  128. 2005-03-02 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  129. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom?
  130. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  131. 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom?
  132. 2005-03-02 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom?
  133. 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  134. 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  135. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  136. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  137. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Baby goes boom?
  138. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  139. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  140. 2005-03-02 From: "Martin, Jared" <JMartin-at-dglaw.com> RE: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  141. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  142. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  143. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  144. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Getting paid for your work...
  145. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  146. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  147. 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  148. 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  149. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Sir Bill
  150. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  151. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] wikipedia NYLXS entry
  152. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Sir Bill
  153. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Q&A: Author of Dude, Did I Steal Your Job? sounds off
  154. 2005-03-01 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Email problem.
  155. 2005-03-30 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] P2P and the Supreme Court
  156. 2005-03-30 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] 2nd Annual Brewtopia World Beer Festival (NYC)
  157. 2005-03-30 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  158. 2005-03-30 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  159. 2005-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The World is Coming to an End - No kidding
  160. 2005-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] P2P and the Supreme Court
  161. 2005-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] HP and HRD - not what you think :)
  162. 2005-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  163. 2005-03-30 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  164. 2005-03-30 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  165. 2005-03-30 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  166. 2005-03-30 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  167. 2005-03-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  168. 2005-03-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  169. 2005-03-29 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  170. 2005-03-29 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) RE: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  171. 2005-03-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  172. 2005-03-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  173. 2005-03-29 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  174. 2005-03-29 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  175. 2005-03-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  176. 2005-03-29 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  177. 2005-03-29 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  178. 2005-03-28 From: "P.Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord-hs.org> Re: [hangout] File Sharing P2P
  179. 2005-03-28 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] De Montfort University switches to SUSE Linux
  180. 2005-03-28 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Adobe 7.0 reader for Linux now available
  181. 2005-03-27 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NIH/NSF projects and the GPL
  182. 2005-03-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] File Sharing P2P
  183. 2005-03-26 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] File Sharing Wars
  184. 2005-03-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fund Raising Committee
  185. 2005-03-26 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Fund Raising Committee
  186. 2005-03-26 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fund Raising Committee
  187. 2005-03-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Freedom-IT Results
  188. 2005-03-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Note: If IE is insecure - WINDOWS is INSECURE
  189. 2005-03-25 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Note: If IE is insecure - WINDOWS is INSECURE
  190. 2005-03-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Note: If IE is insecure - WINDOWS is INSECURE
  191. 2005-03-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Note: If IE is insecure - WINDOWS is INSECURE
  192. 2005-03-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The Trill of the Download
  193. 2005-03-25 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Switch to DSL
  194. 2005-03-25 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Telephoney in the Times
  195. 2005-03-25 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Freedom-IT Meeting Notes
  196. 2005-03-25 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Mind Boggling News from the Scientific Front
  197. 2005-03-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Freedom-IT Meeting Notes?
  198. 2005-03-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Programmers bypass Red Hat Linux fees
  199. 2005-03-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Open Source: Free Windows Apps
  200. 2005-03-24 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Subject: [hangout] What it's like to run windows
  201. 2005-03-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [alt.sports.baseball.ny-mets] OT: Abbott and Costello, Meet the Cybermen
  202. 2005-03-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Freedom-IT meeting
  203. 2005-03-23 From: "P.Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord-hs.org> Re: [hangout] Freedom-IT meeting
  204. 2005-03-23 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Wednesday March 16 2005 Minutes
  205. 2005-03-23 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Wednesday March 16 2005 Minutes
  206. 2005-03-23 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Subject: [hangout] Wednesday March 16 2005 Minutes
  207. 2005-03-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Freedom-IT meeting

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