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MESSAGE
DATE 2005-03-25
FROM Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS
SUBJECT Re: [hangout] Note: If IE is insecure - WINDOWS is INSECURE

Sorry - this is a better format

-----------------------------------

As Mozilla and Microsoft executives argue about which browser -- Firefox
or Internet Explorer -- is more secure, fans of the former have numbers
on their side, a Belgian security consultancy said this week.

According to Brussels-based ScanIT, users of Microsoft's Internet Explorer
(IE) were "unsafe" 98 percent of the time during 2004, while Mozilla
users -- which would include those using Mozilla and Firefox -- were
"unsafe" only 15 percent of last year.

ScanIT determined the unsafe periods by examining the life spans of
vulnerabilities in IE, Mozilla, and Opera -- a Norwegian browser that
has a nearly insignificant share of the U.S. market -- which could be
exploited remotely by attackers. By documenting the time between the
disclosure of the vulnerability and when a patch was issued, ScanIT
calculated the total number of days each browser was vulnerable. It
also matched those vulnerable dates against periods when out-in-the-wild
exploits were making the rounds.

IE was vulnerable all but seven days of 2004, or 98 percent of the
year. "There was only one period in 2004 when there were no publicly
known remote code execution bugs," said ScanIT's report. "Between the
12th and the 19th of October. That means a fully patched Internet Explorer
installation was known to be unsafe for 98 percent of 2004."

During 200 days (54 percent of the time), there was a worm or virus on the
loose that exploited one of the unpatched IE vulnerabilities. (ScanIT's
IE vulnerability timeline can be found here.)

In comparison, Firefox (and the other Mozilla browsers) was vulnerable
only 56 days in 2004 (15 percent of the time) during off-and-on stretches
starting in May. At no time in 2004 were worms or viruses circulating
that exploited one of the unpatched Firefox vulnerabilities.

"In 2004, Mozilla was not targeted by malware writers," ScanIT's report
said to explain why Firefox wasn't at risk last year. "But this might
change as Mozilla software gains popularity."

Even then, however, ScanIT said Mozilla/Firefox may still have an
advantage over IE. "Security researchers seem to be more inclined to
report vulnerabilities privately to the Mozilla development team rather
than publish them immediately," said the report. "This might be because
the Mozilla project produces free open-source software, and being nice to
it is considered 'A Good Thing.'" ScanIT also considered Mozilla's bug
bounty, which pays $500 to users reporting critical flaws, as playing
a part.

Naturally, Mozilla Foundation executives touted the ScanIT data. "Their
research points out that Microsoft's IE was 'unsafe' for 98 percent of
2004, while we were 'unsafe' only 15 percent of the time," said Chris
Hofmann, chief of engineering at Mozilla. "This is really the metric
that makes the most sense to most users." Earlier in the week, in fact,
Mitchell Baker, the president of Mozilla, claimed that her foundation's
browsers were inherently more secure because they weren't tied to the
Windows operating system, and rejected the idea that a boost in market
share would make Firefox more vulnerable.

Her head of engineer tweaked that message a bit in an e-mail to
TechWeb. "People really should be looking at the architecture of the
browsers and the source of potential vulnerability," said Mozilla's
Hofmann. "Browsers share many of the same architectural components,
but it's been Microsoft proprietary extensions to the browser such as
ActiveX, and the complex Microsoft Security Zone model, where the most
severe exploits have surfaced in the past and continue to be exploited.

"Microsoft has made strides in securing these areas in [Windows XP] SP2,
but in some ways they were Band-Aids on an insecure architecture."

Microsoft, of course, doesn't see it that way. In his blog, IE product
manager Dave Massy first defended his browser. "As we develop IE we
go through very thorough and stringent security reviews to ensure that
every change is secure and does not expose the user to attack."

Next, he took issue with Baker's claim that IE would always have more bugs
because it was tied so tightly to Windows. "The security of any browser
is irrelevant if it is part of the operating system," Massy said. "If we
are to debate security of browsers then let's bring in relevant arguments
and accurate details about different possible attacks rather than rely
on the irrational fear that because IE is part of the operating system
it must be exposing OS functionality to the Web."

Interestingly, a third party -- Alfred Huger, the vice president of
engineering for Symantec's security research group -- isn't sure which
browser will be less or more secure going forward, but is sure of one
thing: attackers will continue to focus on browsers.

"Everyone has a browser, so it's the biggest possible audience," he
said. "Hackers will be targeting Web clients with greater effort in 2005,
something that's definitely going to get a lot of attention." As Mozilla
and Microsoft executives argue about which browser -- Firefox or Internet
Explorer -- is more secure, fans of the former have numbers on their side,
a Belgian security consultancy said this week.

According to Brussels-based ScanIT, users of Microsoft's Internet Explorer
(IE) were "unsafe" 98 percent of the time during 2004, while Mozilla
users -- which would include those using Mozilla and Firefox -- were
"unsafe" only 15 percent of last year.

ScanIT determined the unsafe periods by examining the life spans of
vulnerabilities in IE, Mozilla, and Opera -- a Norwegian browser that
has a nearly insignificant share of the U.S. market -- which could be
exploited remotely by attackers. By documenting the time between the
disclosure of the vulnerability and when a patch was issued, ScanIT
calculated the total number of days each browser was vulnerable. It
also matched those vulnerable dates against periods when out-in-the-wild
exploits were making the rounds.

IE was vulnerable all but seven days of 2004, or 98 percent of the
year. "There was only one period in 2004 when there were no publicly
known remote code execution bugs," said ScanIT's report. "Between the
12th and the 19th of October. That means a fully patched Internet Explorer
installation was known to be unsafe for 98 percent of 2004."

During 200 days (54 percent of the time), there was a worm or virus on the
loose that exploited one of the unpatched IE vulnerabilities. (ScanIT's
IE vulnerability timeline can be found here.)

In comparison, Firefox (and the other Mozilla browsers) was vulnerable
only 56 days in 2004 (15 percent of the time) during off-and-on stretches
starting in May. At no time in 2004 were worms or viruses circulating
that exploited one of the unpatched Firefox vulnerabilities.

"In 2004, Mozilla was not targeted by malware writers," ScanIT's report
said to explain why Firefox wasn't at risk last year. "But this might
change as Mozilla software gains popularity."

Even then, however, ScanIT said Mozilla/Firefox may still have an
advantage over IE. "Security researchers seem to be more inclined to
report vulnerabilities privately to the Mozilla development team rather
than publish them immediately," said the report. "This might be because
the Mozilla project produces free open-source software, and being nice to
it is considered 'A Good Thing.'" ScanIT also considered Mozilla's bug
bounty, which pays $500 to users reporting critical flaws, as playing
a part.

Naturally, Mozilla Foundation executives touted the ScanIT data. "Their
research points out that Microsoft's IE was 'unsafe' for 98 percent of
2004, while we were 'unsafe' only 15 percent of the time," said Chris
Hofmann, chief of engineering at Mozilla. "This is really the metric
that makes the most sense to most users." Earlier in the week, in fact,
Mitchell Baker, the president of Mozilla, claimed that her foundation's
browsers were inherently more secure because they weren't tied to the
Windows operating system, and rejected the idea that a boost in market
share would make Firefox more vulnerable.

Her head of engineer tweaked that message a bit in an e-mail to
TechWeb. "People really should be looking at the architecture of the
browsers and the source of potential vulnerability," said Mozilla's
Hofmann. "Browsers share many of the same architectural components,
but it's been Microsoft proprietary extensions to the browser such as
ActiveX, and the complex Microsoft Security Zone model, where the most
severe exploits have surfaced in the past and continue to be exploited.

"Microsoft has made strides in securing these areas in [Windows XP] SP2,
but in some ways they were Band-Aids on an insecure architecture."

Microsoft, of course, doesn't see it that way. In his blog, IE product
manager Dave Massy first defended his browser. "As we develop IE we
go through very thorough and stringent security reviews to ensure that
every change is secure and does not expose the user to attack."

Next, he took issue with Baker's claim that IE would always have more bugs
because it was tied so tightly to Windows. "The security of any browser
is irrelevant if it is part of the operating system," Massy said. "If we
are to debate security of browsers then let's bring in relevant arguments
and accurate details about different possible attacks rather than rely
on the irrational fear that because IE is part of the operating system
it must be exposing OS functionality to the Web."

Interestingly, a third party -- Alfred Huger, the vice president of
engineering for Symantec's security research group -- isn't sure which
browser will be less or more secure going forward, but is sure of one
thing: attackers will continue to focus on browsers.

"Everyone has a browser, so it's the biggest possible audience," he
said. "Hackers will be targeting Web clients with greater effort in
2005, something that's definitely going to get a lot of attention."
-- __________________________ Brooklyn Linux Solutions

So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like
Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world -
RI Safir 1998

DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
http://fairuse.nylxs.com

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Clients http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and
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See the New Downtown Brooklyn....

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  82. 2005-03-07 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] NYLUG down?
  83. 2005-03-07 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Best Magazine Cover I've ever seen
  84. 2005-03-06 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Best Magazine Cover I've ever seen
  85. 2005-03-06 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Best Magazine Cover I've ever seen
  86. 2005-03-06 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Best Magazine Cover I've ever seen
  87. 2005-03-06 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Best Magazine Cover I've ever seen
  88. 2005-03-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Best Magazine Cover I've ever seen
  89. 2005-03-06 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [hangout] Fw: [wwwac] origin of software licensing (?)
  90. 2005-03-05 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLUG down?
  91. 2005-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Best Magazine Cover I've ever seen
  92. 2005-03-04 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [hangout] Fw: Your showtimes for Loews 34th Street
  93. 2005-03-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  94. 2005-03-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] DRM-free online music store.
  95. 2005-03-03 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Subject: [hangout] DRM-free online music store.
  96. 2005-03-03 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] I wont be at tonights meeting ---> which is where?
  97. 2005-03-03 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) RE: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  98. 2005-03-03 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  99. 2005-03-03 From: "Martin, Jared" <JMartin-at-dglaw.com> RE: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  100. 2005-03-03 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  101. 2005-03-03 From: "Martin, Jared" <JMartin-at-dglaw.com> RE: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  102. 2005-03-03 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Dot mil sites.
  103. 2005-03-03 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] College Board Schools recruiting Teachers, etc., Monday, March 21 st (fwd)
  104. 2005-03-03 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] College Board Schools recruiting Teachers, etc., Monday, March 21
  105. 2005-03-03 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Dot mil sites.
  106. 2005-03-03 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] I wont be at tonights meeting.
  107. 2005-03-03 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [meissner-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SUSE Security Announcement: cyrus-sasl remote code execution (SUSE-SA:2005:013)]
  108. 2005-03-03 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Suitwatch Linux Journal
  109. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  110. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  111. 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  112. 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  113. 2005-03-02 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Starting a club at BC (report from the trenches).
  114. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom?
  115. 2005-03-02 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom..
  116. 2005-03-02 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  117. 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom?
  118. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  119. 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  120. 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom?
  121. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom?
  122. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  123. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom?
  124. 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  125. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom?
  126. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  127. 2005-03-02 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom?
  128. 2005-03-02 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  129. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom?
  130. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  131. 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom?
  132. 2005-03-02 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom?
  133. 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  134. 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  135. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  136. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  137. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Baby goes boom?
  138. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  139. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  140. 2005-03-02 From: "Martin, Jared" <JMartin-at-dglaw.com> RE: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  141. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  142. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  143. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  144. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Getting paid for your work...
  145. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  146. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  147. 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  148. 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  149. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Sir Bill
  150. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  151. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] wikipedia NYLXS entry
  152. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Sir Bill
  153. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Q&A: Author of Dude, Did I Steal Your Job? sounds off
  154. 2005-03-01 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Email problem.
  155. 2005-03-30 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] P2P and the Supreme Court
  156. 2005-03-30 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] 2nd Annual Brewtopia World Beer Festival (NYC)
  157. 2005-03-30 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  158. 2005-03-30 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  159. 2005-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The World is Coming to an End - No kidding
  160. 2005-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] P2P and the Supreme Court
  161. 2005-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] HP and HRD - not what you think :)
  162. 2005-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  163. 2005-03-30 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  164. 2005-03-30 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  165. 2005-03-30 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  166. 2005-03-30 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  167. 2005-03-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  168. 2005-03-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  169. 2005-03-29 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  170. 2005-03-29 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) RE: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  171. 2005-03-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  172. 2005-03-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  173. 2005-03-29 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  174. 2005-03-29 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  175. 2005-03-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  176. 2005-03-29 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  177. 2005-03-29 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  178. 2005-03-28 From: "P.Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord-hs.org> Re: [hangout] File Sharing P2P
  179. 2005-03-28 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] De Montfort University switches to SUSE Linux
  180. 2005-03-28 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Adobe 7.0 reader for Linux now available
  181. 2005-03-27 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NIH/NSF projects and the GPL
  182. 2005-03-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] File Sharing P2P
  183. 2005-03-26 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] File Sharing Wars
  184. 2005-03-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fund Raising Committee
  185. 2005-03-26 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Fund Raising Committee
  186. 2005-03-26 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fund Raising Committee
  187. 2005-03-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Freedom-IT Results
  188. 2005-03-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Note: If IE is insecure - WINDOWS is INSECURE
  189. 2005-03-25 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Note: If IE is insecure - WINDOWS is INSECURE
  190. 2005-03-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Note: If IE is insecure - WINDOWS is INSECURE
  191. 2005-03-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Note: If IE is insecure - WINDOWS is INSECURE
  192. 2005-03-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The Trill of the Download
  193. 2005-03-25 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Switch to DSL
  194. 2005-03-25 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Telephoney in the Times
  195. 2005-03-25 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Freedom-IT Meeting Notes
  196. 2005-03-25 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Mind Boggling News from the Scientific Front
  197. 2005-03-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Freedom-IT Meeting Notes?
  198. 2005-03-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Programmers bypass Red Hat Linux fees
  199. 2005-03-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Open Source: Free Windows Apps
  200. 2005-03-24 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Subject: [hangout] What it's like to run windows
  201. 2005-03-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [alt.sports.baseball.ny-mets] OT: Abbott and Costello, Meet the Cybermen
  202. 2005-03-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Freedom-IT meeting
  203. 2005-03-23 From: "P.Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord-hs.org> Re: [hangout] Freedom-IT meeting
  204. 2005-03-23 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Wednesday March 16 2005 Minutes
  205. 2005-03-23 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Wednesday March 16 2005 Minutes
  206. 2005-03-23 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Subject: [hangout] Wednesday March 16 2005 Minutes
  207. 2005-03-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Freedom-IT meeting

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