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| DATE | 2005-05-11 |
| FROM | Billy
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| SUBJECT | Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Opposing Views: The Debate Over The H-1B Visa
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From owner-hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com Wed May 11 19:10:45 2005 Received: from www2.mrbrklyn.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www2.mrbrklyn.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/SuSE Linux 0.7) with ESMTP id j4BNAhUB007837 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 19:10:45 -0400 Received: (from majordomo-at-localhost) by www2.mrbrklyn.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j4BNAhtB007836 for hangout-outgoings; Wed, 11 May 2005 19:10:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: www2.mrbrklyn.com: majordomo set sender to owner-hangout-at-nylxs.com using -f Received: from mail.dadadada.net (MAIL.DADADADA.NET [209.48.2.106]) by www2.mrbrklyn.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/SuSE Linux 0.7) with ESMTP id j4BNAfej007833 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 19:10:43 -0400 Received: from sugar ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.dadadada.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1DW0Lk-0003DI-00 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 19:10:44 -0400 Message-ID: <428290EF.4030304-at-dadadada.net> Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 19:10:39 -0400 From: Billy User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com Subject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Opposing Views: The Debate Over The H-1B Visa Program References: <386AEEE1B7BAC34CB4DDF394C2349278D6EE9E-at-w2cs-nyk02> <1115850715.13110.0.camel-at-flatbush.mrbrklyn.com> In-Reply-To: <1115850715.13110.0.camel-at-flatbush.mrbrklyn.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com Precedence: bulk X-Keywords: X-UID: 660 Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1858 Lines: 47
Ruben Safir wrote: > On Wed, 2005-05-11 at 22:34 +0100, Inker, Evan wrote: > >>Information Builders Inc., a 30-year-old New York software company, >>has 50 >>to 60 H-1B employees, mostly programmers, among its 1,750 employees. >>CEO >>Gerald Cohen is a strong proponent of H-1B visas, saying sending work >>offshore damages
> This is nonsense. This is a false choice. How about paying US workers > fair wages and investing in US Education.
Correct.
.... An American systems analyst/programmer, age 31 to 50, holding an advanced degree earned a median salary of $87,000 a year[1]--40% more than that younger H-1B worker, the same GAO study found. ....
%40 is nothing to shake a stick at. Gates CAN find the Americans to fill the jobs, but he doesn't want to PAY 40% more for them. I'd like to see a comparison of older Americans to younger Americans. Maybe we should find the GAO report...
I like the summary in the final paragraph:
Employers worry about having enough talent, and that the best and brightest won't see the United States as the place to work. Employees worry about driving down U.S. wages. As the coin spins in the air, the question again comes down to how you call it. Do you worry more about the foreign workers who come here--or the ones who stay home?
The choice is then whether you want foreign workers doing our software HERE or at HOME? You're led to believe that having them HERE is better because AT LEAST American companies are getting the lucre. Wrong. American companies get the lucre either way. This is a question of American companies wanting to throw out their 35+ year-old programmers and get younger, more desperate ones. THAT'S what there's a shortage of.
---- [1] "$87,000 a year" is pretty bad English for a journalist.. shame on you, Mr. Chabrow.
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