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DATE 2005-05-17
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] And while we are talking about Brooklyn College...

Academic Terrorism: Prof. K.C. Johnson On Discrimination Against
Non-Leftists At Brooklyn College (CUNY)
David Storobin, Esq. - 5/19/2005
Prof. K.C. Johnson was involved in a nationally-known tenure fight.
Brooklyn College of the City University of New York, where he's
teaching, denied him tenure in the Fall of 2002 on the grounds that they
disagreed with his politics. After being denied tenure by Brooklyn
College, CUNY heads intervened and granted it to Prof. Johnson whose
teaching and scholarship was described as "excellent". Personally, I am
very familiar with bias at Brooklyn College. A while ago, then-Chairman
of the Political Science Deparment let me know that, not being a
liberal, I wouldn't be able teach there, but he can tell me where else I
can apply. Another Professor there told me, "Come on, David, everyone
knows the politics of Brooklyn College Professors." Hearing this, a
graduate student told me that her Professor declared in class, "I should
fail you for being a Bush-loving right-winger, but I'll be nice and will
not." Today, K.C. Johnson describes from a Professor's point of view
what is happening at Brooklyn College, including his tenure fight and
students' response to what has been described by the media as "Academic
Terrorism".

Q: Can you tell us what happened in your fight to receive tenure?

A: My case was a highly publicized one and was unusual one in that the
college's claim was an explicitly ideologically one. Brooklyn College
tried to deny tenure on the basis of collegiality, which the senior
members defined as disagreeing on political issues and topics that
should be part of the curriculum.

I was accused of criticizing a teach-in on the Middle East that lacked
any speakers that supported the policies of either the United States or
Israel. I was also accused of opposing gender quotas in personnel hiring
matters.

My specialty is Twentieth Century History and so I was also attacked for
teaching courses on people in power, claiming that only white males
would be interested in them.

CUNY Board of trustees quickly decided in my favor. The Vice Chancellor
of the CUNY General Council made a statement that CUNY reached a
settlement because it could not win in court. The Chancellor of CUNY
issued a videotaped statement to the Board of Trustees criticizing the
decision to deny my tenure as incorrect.


Q: How quickly was your tenure question decided?

A: I was denied tenure in November 2002. A week later, it went public,
and was resolved within 2 months, by early February 2003.


Q: Why did national media pick up your case?

A: My case was an unusually clear cut one. Often times, a college will
make a claim that a person's scholarship or teaching wasn't good.
Usually, they'll come up with some superficial reason to fire the
person. In this case, the college admitted that my scholarship and
teaching were "excellent" - "excellent" is the word they themselves
used.

As for the people who went after me, I had private emails from them
making clear that their ideological bias drove their fight against me.
They wrote secret letters to the college's President where they were
very clear on their ideological agenda, thinking that the letters
wouldn't be public. The college was caught red-handed. Obviously, it is
very unusual for a college to be caught red-handed like this.


Q: How common is it for Professor to be punished for his views at
Brooklyn College and CUNY?

At Brooklyn College this is quite common. Our provost wrote that
teaching is a political act and has argued that college's general
education ["The Cores"] should teach students to be global citizens, not
Americans, and otherwise promote explicitly far-left agenda.

Within CUNY, the university administration is very good, but the union
wants an ideologically one-sided faculty.

Within academia as a whole, there have been a lot of surveys suggesting
that the academia is ideologically one-sided. This past February a new
survey showed that roughly 3/4 of professors are self-identified
liberals or leftists. In 1984, the number was only 39%. In the general
population, on the other hand, the percentage of the population that
describes itself as liberal declined.

And if you take out the natural sciences [biology, chemistry, etc],
probably 80-95% of professors are liberals. There is a clear imbalance
ideologically.

This leads to real problems in the educational experience that the
students achieve. If you look at staffing at departments of social
sciences and humanities, there has been a decline or even elimination of
traditional subjects, like U.S. Foreign Policy and U.S. History, which
were replaced with subjects on race and gender, which have a role, but
shouldn't be only ones taught to students.


Q: How do people in your department treat you now that you've received
tenure?

Within the department, there were several people who strongly supported
me. In the aftermath of my tenure, the chairman of the department who
orchestrated my denial has been removed and the department just hired a
new chair to take his place.

For the most part, within the department, I am treated very well. The
people who went after me are going to remain the same, but the
department is now more interested in fairness and scholarship. Replacing
the chair resolved much of the situation.

Within the college as a whole, the ideological direction is very
troubling. There is a growing number of faculty members on campus who
are very concerned. My tenure case is becoming part of a broader pattern
in the college and several Professors have come to consult with me.


Q: What departments are most hostile?

A: Usually African, Hispanic and other similar type of studies are most
ideological, since they were explicitly founded with the agenda to
promote claims of grievances by these groups.

Other than that, at Brooklyn College, the most biased departments are
Political Science and Education. There is really only one point of view
there.


Q: As far students are concerned, do you see students getting
brainwashed or rebelling against leftist propaganda?

A: I see the latter. One of the things I see is that students are
increasingly recognizing inappropriate behavior in college. Student
government passed an Academic Bill of Rights saying professors shouldn't
bring biases into the classroom.

There is a dichotomy of how students perceive this between the better
students and the weaker ones. The better students are quite clearly
aware and unhappy. The concern that I have is with weaker students who
do not have a strong background in history and politics. They naturally
assume that Professors are at least in some manner are going to be fair,
or if not fair, at least will communicate all sides. For these students,
it's a problem. They often don't understand that what the professor says
is biased and accept it as truth. This is understandable since there is
a presumption that a Professor is there to teach, not to promote his
ideological bias.


Q: Did Brooklyn College know about your ideological points of view?

A: No. I am trained in US Political and Diplomatic History of the
Twentieth Century. I published two books before I was hired, which were
perceived as being written by a very left-wing person, so there was an
assumption that I too was way, way on the left.

But I am centrist. The positions that I took were centrist. For example,
if you are going to have a teach-in, you have to have speakers that are
favorable to Israel, not just ones that oppose it. I never consider it
to be conservative or liberal.

But at Brooklyn College, such statements are very conservative. If my
positions would've been know, I never would've been hired. There was an
assumption that I agreed with the majority of the college.


Q : Is that true for all of Brooklyn College, CUNY or academia as a
whole?

Certainly, not all colleges discriminate against Professors and
students, but in most departments do. Some colleges within CUNY, like
Baruch, hire based on scholarship and teaching ability, but that's not
true at Brooklyn College and many other schools.


Q: You've been involved in the Brooklyn College Chapter of Students for
Academic Freedom. Can you tell us more about it.

The group was founded a year and a half ago by an undergraduate student
[Eldad Yaron] whom I haven't met before this. He had become concerned
about issues of bias in his classes and asked if I would be willing to
work with him, and I obviously agreed. He has done an incredible job
building support that students should not get propaganda in the
classroom. The organization has 80 members and the newly elected student
President is supporter. It's much stronger than in any other CUNY school
because of Brooklyn College's very strong leftist bias, and students
have begun to fight back.

David Storobin is a New York lawyer who received Juris Doctor (J.D.)
degree from Rutgers University School of Law. His Master's Thesis (M.A.
- Comparative Politics) deals with Extremist Movements in the Middle
East and the historical causes for the rise of fundamentalism. Mr.
Storobin's book "The Root Cause: The Rise of Fundamentalist Islam and
its Threat to the World" will be published in 2005.
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  81. 2005-05-13 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] IBM backs Firefox in-houseBy Martin LaMonica, CNET News.com
  82. 2005-05-13 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] IBM backs Firefox in-houseBy Martin LaMonica, CNET News.com
  83. 2005-05-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] bruce.lai-at-council.nyc.ny.us: Upcoming hearings by the Committee on Technology in Government of the New York City Council (as of 5.13.05).
  84. 2005-05-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Board Meeting Reminder
  85. 2005-05-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Taking a look back prior to 9-11
  86. 2005-05-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Real Time Blackhole sites
  87. 2005-05-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Hope this still works
  88. 2005-05-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Open Meeting: Freedom-IT Scholarship fund
  89. 2005-05-15 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Business
  90. 2005-05-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Membership and Fund Raising/ Bryant Park
  91. 2005-05-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Business
  92. 2005-05-15 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Business
  93. 2005-05-15 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] RE: Business - NOT SPAM!
  94. 2005-05-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Membership and Fund Raising/ Bryant Park
  95. 2005-05-15 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] RE: Business - NOT SPAM!
  96. 2005-05-16 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Membership and Fund Raising/ Bryant Park
  97. 2005-05-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Hyper-Threading Vulnerability
  98. 2005-05-16 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Nylxs website
  99. 2005-05-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: [info] NYLXS]
  100. 2005-05-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] RE: [hangout] Ruben, "Star Wars" tickets are on sale now on
  101. 2005-05-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] RE: [hangout] Ruben, "Star Wars" tickets are
  102. 2005-05-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Healthcare Information Technology
  103. 2005-05-17 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Star Wars
  104. 2005-05-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Star Wars
  105. 2005-05-17 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Star Wars
  106. 2005-05-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] RE: [hangout] Ruben, "Star Wars" tickets are
  107. 2005-05-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: [info] NYLXS]
  108. 2005-05-17 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Web sites: Linux Distribution Chooser
  109. 2005-05-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] the internet has become useless
  110. 2005-05-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Back to school
  111. 2005-05-17 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] SUSE 9.3 Disks
  112. 2005-05-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] SUSE 9.3 Disks
  113. 2005-05-17 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] SUSE 9.3 Disks
  114. 2005-05-17 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Back to school
  115. 2005-05-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Back to school
  116. 2005-05-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Back to school
  117. 2005-05-17 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] SUSE 9.3 Disks
  118. 2005-05-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] SUSE 9.3 Disks
  119. 2005-05-17 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] SUSE 9.3 Disks
  120. 2005-05-17 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] SUSE 9.3 Disks
  121. 2005-05-17 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] SUSE 9.3 Disks
  122. 2005-05-17 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Back to school
  123. 2005-05-17 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Back to school
  124. 2005-05-17 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fw: Don't forget to take advantage of Novell's great offer on shopNovell
  125. 2005-05-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Healthcare Information Technology
  126. 2005-05-17 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Back to school
  127. 2005-05-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Back to school
  128. 2005-05-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] FREEDOM-IT MEETING - Tomorrow
  129. 2005-05-17 From: "J.E. Cripps" <cycmn-at-nyct.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Back to school
  130. 2005-05-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Back to school
  131. 2005-05-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Brooklyn Centric News
  132. 2005-05-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] And while we are talking about Brooklyn College...
  133. 2005-05-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Free Pass to computer expo
  134. 2005-05-18 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Board Minutes May 11 2005
  135. 2005-05-18 Mark Simko <msimko-at-optonline.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Board Minutes May 11 2005
  136. 2005-05-18 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Board Minutes May 11 2005
  137. 2005-05-18 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Board Minutes May 11 2005
  138. 2005-05-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Healthcare Information Technology
  139. 2005-05-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Dvorak's article on Linux Community
  140. 2005-05-19 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn101-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] fsfsffsfsd
  141. 2005-05-19 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn101-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] fsfsdfasdfsd
  142. 2005-05-19 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fw: [Politics] Lost
  143. 2005-05-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sendmail Relaying
  144. 2005-05-20 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: FW: Returned mail: delivery problems encountered
  145. 2005-05-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Minutes of Grant proposal committee 5-17-05
  146. 2005-05-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Minutes of Grant proposal committee 5-17-05
  147. 2005-05-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Freedom-IT Report
  148. 2005-05-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Freedom-IT Report
  149. 2005-05-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Flu preparations
  150. 2005-05-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Transistor Engineering
  151. 2005-05-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Anyone ever hear of this company?
  152. 2005-05-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn101-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Star Wars Party
  153. 2005-05-23 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Student Interest in Computer Science Plummets
  154. 2005-05-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Student Interest in Computer Science Plummets
  155. 2005-05-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Student Interest in Computer Science Plummets
  156. 2005-05-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Student Interest in Computer Science Plummets
  157. 2005-05-23 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Token Booths Shut Down At Eight Stations In Manhattan, Brooklyn
  158. 2005-05-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn101-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] su security
  159. 2005-05-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: refreshing
  160. 2005-05-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Real Time Blackhole sites
  161. 2005-05-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: In case you could use someone
  162. 2005-05-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Anyone know who IBM is using to teach teachers about GNU Systems?
  163. 2005-05-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] For Billy
  164. 2005-05-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Star Wars Night Tomorrow
  165. 2005-05-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Google Job in NY
  166. 2005-05-25 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Suse and floppy disks
  167. 2005-05-25 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fw: Re: [wwwac] Court rules that presence of encryption software may be viewed as evidence of criminal intent.
  168. 2005-05-25 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Netscape 8.0 Requires Internet Explorer
  169. 2005-05-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Suse and floppy disks
  170. 2005-05-25 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Suse and floppy disks
  171. 2005-05-25 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Netscape 8.0 Requires Internet Explorer
  172. 2005-05-26 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fw: SpiderTools Linux Training Savings
  173. 2005-05-26 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fw: [Politics] Monsanto's confidential research finds that GM foods mess up rats
  174. 2005-05-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Updates and Discussion
  175. 2005-05-26 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Fw: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Updates and Discussion
  176. 2005-05-26 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Updates and Discussion
  177. 2005-05-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: Fw: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Updates and Discussion
  178. 2005-05-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: Fw: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Updates and Discussion
  179. 2005-05-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Star Wars triggers P2P network crackdown
  180. 2005-05-26 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Updates and Discussion
  181. 2005-05-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Star Wars triggers P2P network crackdown
  182. 2005-05-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Updates and Discussion
  183. 2005-05-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Updates and Discussion
  184. 2005-05-26 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Updates and Discussion
  185. 2005-05-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Updates and Discussion
  186. 2005-05-26 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Treo 650
  187. 2005-05-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Copyright Myth and the BSA
  188. 2005-05-26 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Updates and Discussion
  189. 2005-05-26 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Treo 650
  190. 2005-05-26 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Updates and Discussion
  191. 2005-05-26 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Updates and Discussion
  192. 2005-05-26 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Updates and Discussion
  193. 2005-05-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Updates and Discussion
  194. 2005-05-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Updates and Discussion
  195. 2005-05-26 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Updates and Discussion
  196. 2005-05-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Updates and Discussion
  197. 2005-05-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Updates and Discussion
  198. 2005-05-26 From: "Jared T. Martin" <jmartin-at-dglaw.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] How do I edit my subscription?
  199. 2005-05-26 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Updates and Discussion
  200. 2005-05-26 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Treo 650
  201. 2005-05-26 Michael E George <meg7-at-nyu.edu> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Logo and motto
  202. 2005-05-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Logo and motto
  203. 2005-05-26 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS mission statement
  204. 2005-05-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS mission statement
  205. 2005-05-26 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Donation page on website.
  206. 2005-05-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Logo and motto
  207. 2005-05-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Donation page on website.
  208. 2005-05-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Prganizational Structure -
  209. 2005-05-26 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Donation page on website.
  210. 2005-05-26 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Logo and motto
  211. 2005-05-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Logo and motto
  212. 2005-05-26 From: "Derrick H. Lewis" <lewisdj-at-bc.edu> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Website
  213. 2005-05-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Website
  214. 2005-05-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] I think this was the constitution minus a slight change we had to
  215. 2005-05-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: In case you could use someone
  216. 2005-05-27 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Updates and Discussion
  217. 2005-05-27 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Nokia's tablet
  218. 2005-05-27 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Nokia's tablet
  219. 2005-05-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [CFSG-forum] Fwd: [refurbishers] New York City Electronics
  220. 2005-05-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [CFSG-forum] Fwd: [refurbishers] New York City Electronics
  221. 2005-05-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [CFSG-forum] Fwd: [refurbishers] New York City Electronics
  222. 2005-05-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Fwd: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [CFSG-forum] Fwd: [refurbishers]
  223. 2005-05-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [CFSG-forum] Fwd: [refurbishers] New
  224. 2005-05-27 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[NYLXS_-_HANGOUT]_Re:_[CFSG-forum]_Fwd:_[ref?=
  225. 2005-05-27 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] I want a big 1973 Buick LeSabre
  226. 2005-05-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [CFSG-forum] Fwd:
  227. 2005-05-27 Michael E George <meg7-at-nyu.edu> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT]Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [CFSG-forum]
  228. 2005-05-27 From: "rc" <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Nokia's tablet
  229. 2005-05-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Nokia's tablet
  230. 2005-05-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Nokia's tablet
  231. 2005-05-27 From: "rc" <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Nokia's tablet
  232. 2005-05-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Nokia's tablet
  233. 2005-05-27 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Nokia's tablet
  234. 2005-05-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Nokia's tablet
  235. 2005-05-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Nokia's tablet
  236. 2005-05-28 From: "rc" <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Nokia's tablet
  237. 2005-05-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: [Hardhats-members] Re: Welcome!] Healthcare software under
  238. 2005-05-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Nokia's tablet
  239. 2005-05-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Lccal News in Brooklyn
  240. 2005-05-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sunday Server Maintence Agenda
  241. 2005-05-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Jobs
  242. 2005-05-29 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sunday Server Maintence Agenda
  243. 2005-05-29 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Nokia's tablet
  244. 2005-05-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sunday Server Maintence Agenda
  245. 2005-05-29 David Etengoff <edtechmdy-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] please remove my E-mail
  246. 2005-05-29 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sunday Server Maintence Agenda
  247. 2005-05-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sunday Server Maintence Agenda
  248. 2005-05-29 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sunday Server Maintence Agenda
  249. 2005-05-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Web Server Status
  250. 2005-05-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Updates and Discussion
  251. 2005-05-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: CPRS Connection Problem
  252. 2005-05-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: [Hardhats-members] == CPRS Demo ==]
  253. 2005-05-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: CPRS Connection Problem]
  254. 2005-05-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: CPRS Connection Problem]
  255. 2005-05-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: CPRS Connection Problem]
  256. 2005-05-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: CPRS Connection Problem]
  257. 2005-05-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: CPRS Connection Problem]
  258. 2005-05-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: CPRS Connection Problem]
  259. 2005-05-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: CPRS Connection Problem]
  260. 2005-05-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: CPRS Connection Problem]
  261. 2005-05-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: CPRS Connection Problem]
  262. 2005-05-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: CPRS Connection Problem]
  263. 2005-05-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: CPRS Connection Problem]
  264. 2005-05-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] RMS on software patents
  265. 2005-05-31 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Novell acquires Immunix to enhance SuSe Linux security
  266. 2005-05-31 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Nokia allows Linux Kernel to use their patents

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