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MESSAGE
DATE 2005-06-24
FROM Contrarian
SUBJECT Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] "Free Software" definitions

The FSF has several articles delineating what "Free Software" is.

Here's a quote from one about one of the issues that
some have mentioned, namely that it isn't immediately
clear what "Free" means (the specifics, freedom to use,
copy, distribute, understand, modify, are discussed
elsewhere)

Ambiguity:

The term "free software" has an ambiguity problem: an unintended
meaning, "Software you can get for zero price," fits the term just as
well as the intended meaning, "software which gives the user certain
freedoms." We address this problem by publishing a more precise
definition of free software, but this is not a perfect solution; it
cannot completely eliminate the problem. An unambiguously correct term
would be better, if it didn't have other problems.

Unfortunately, all the alternatives in English have problems of their
own. We've looked at many alternatives that people have suggested, but
none is so clearly "right" that switching to it would be a good idea.
Every proposed replacement for "free software" has a similar kind of
semantic problem, or worse--and this includes "open source software."


Any other discussion on this, or the contrast between
"Free Software" and "Open Source" might be helpful.

"Freedom" as discussed at the FSF site,etc. is exactly
what the founder(s) of the FSF desired.

Note that "Free Software" does not preclude charging for
services rendered in _using_ it, nor for charging for copies,
etc (as the FSF does, or GNU)

The Open Source Foundation also has discussions. I don't
have a great succint definition of the differences yet.
Any comment appreciated.

  1. 2005-06-01 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Desktop Linux: Ready for Prime Time?
  2. 2005-06-01 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fw: [FCNYC] OFFER: 25 computer Monitors 10013
  3. 2005-06-02 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: FW: Devine E-Mail
  4. 2005-06-02 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fw: Invitation: Sybase Financial System Integrator Breakfast
  5. 2005-06-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Meeting minutes for grant proposal committee6_1_05
  6. 2005-06-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Meeting minutes for grant proposal
  7. 2005-06-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New Spin on GNU/Linux
  8. 2005-06-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Meeting minutes for grant proposal committee6_1_05
  9. 2005-06-03 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Meeting minutes for grant proposal committe e6_1_05
  10. 2005-06-03 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Test
  11. 2005-06-03 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Star Wars this Sunday
  12. 2005-06-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Star Wars this Sunday
  13. 2005-06-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Novell HHS contract
  14. 2005-06-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Electronics Recylcing Bill ...]
  15. 2005-06-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: JobCircle Weekly Summary of New Jobs]
  16. 2005-06-06 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] OS News
  17. 2005-06-06 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Microsoft admits MSN site hacked in Korea
  18. 2005-06-06 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Device Drivers Filled With Flaws, Threaten Security
  19. 2005-06-06 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Device Drivers Filled With Flaws, Threaten Security
  20. 2005-06-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: [suse-security-announce] SUSE Security Summary Report
  21. 2005-06-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Device Drivers Filled With Flaws, Threaten
  22. 2005-06-07 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Device Drivers Filled With Flaws, Threaten
  23. 2005-06-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: ISOC-NY meeting announcement] - CITY GOVERNMENT MEETING
  24. 2005-06-07 Mark Simko <msimko-at-optonline.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Feedback
  25. 2005-06-07 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Device Drivers Filled With Flaws, Threaten
  26. 2005-06-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Device Drivers Filled With Flaws, Threaten
  27. 2005-06-07 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Device Drivers Filled With Flaws, Threaten
  28. 2005-06-07 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] FW: LinuxWorld SF05: Keeping you ahead of technology. Register to day
  29. 2005-06-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Device Drivers Filled With Flaws, Threaten
  30. 2005-06-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Device Drivers Filled With Flaws, Threaten
  31. 2005-06-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] ssh help
  32. 2005-06-08 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] ssh help
  33. 2005-06-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] ssh help
  34. 2005-06-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Inservices?
  35. 2005-06-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Board Meeting Announcement
  36. 2005-06-09 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] B'KLYN GETS 24-HOUR CHANNEL
  37. 2005-06-09 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] B'KLYN GETS 24-HOUR CHANNEL
  38. 2005-06-09 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Inservices?
  39. 2005-06-09 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Inservices?
  40. 2005-06-09 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Inservices?
  41. 2005-06-09 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Inservices?
  42. 2005-06-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Inservices?
  43. 2005-06-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Gnenome Reserch
  44. 2005-06-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Web Server Status
  45. 2005-06-11 mike hjorleifsson <mikeh-at-dtev.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Web Server Status
  46. 2005-06-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Web Server Status
  47. 2005-06-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Web Server Status
  48. 2005-06-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Jobs
  49. 2005-06-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fair Use Commentary: Supreme Court
  50. 2005-06-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: RE: [Hardhats-members] == VistaWeb Missing Apps ==]
  51. 2005-06-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] They do lie under oath
  52. 2005-06-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] RE: [Hardhats-members] == VistaWeb Missing Apps ==
  53. 2005-06-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Board Meeting Wed at 7:30
  54. 2005-06-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Man, what do you make of this?
  55. 2005-06-15 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Wind River Executes 'A 180-Degree Turn'
  56. 2005-06-15 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Man, what do you make of this?
  57. 2005-06-15 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Man, what do you make of this?
  58. 2005-06-15 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Man, what do you make of this?
  59. 2005-06-15 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Man, what do you make of this?
  60. 2005-06-15 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Man, what do you make of this?
  61. 2005-06-15 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] grant proposal meeting minutes.
  62. 2005-06-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Board Meeting Tonight - 7:30 to about 11:00PM
  63. 2005-06-15 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Board Meeting Tonight - 7:30 to about 11:00PM
  64. 2005-06-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Last Nights Board Meeting
  65. 2005-06-17 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] testing
  66. 2005-06-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] testing
  67. 2005-06-19 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] meeting
  68. 2005-06-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Microsoft - We mean Security
  69. 2005-06-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Linux Desktop no More
  70. 2005-06-20 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Linux Desktop no More
  71. 2005-06-20 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] AT&T syntax in as.
  72. 2005-06-20 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] AT&T syntax in as.
  73. 2005-06-21 From: "MICHAEL L. RICHARDSON" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Inservice
  74. 2005-06-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Shred those Credit Cards
  75. 2005-06-22 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] For anyone interested.
  76. 2005-06-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Board Meeting Minutes
  77. 2005-06-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Food for Thought
  78. 2005-06-23 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Food for Thought
  79. 2005-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] MINUTES
  80. 2005-06-23 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] WTC article in Forbes.
  81. 2005-06-23 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] WTC article in Forbes.
  82. 2005-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] WTC article in Forbes.
  83. 2005-06-24 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Board Meeting Minutes
  84. 2005-06-24 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Inservice scheduled
  85. 2005-06-24 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] RE: Inservice scheduled
  86. 2005-06-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Board Meeting Minutes
  87. 2005-06-24 From: "MICHAEL L. RICHARDSON" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Board Meeting Minutes
  88. 2005-06-24 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] "Free Software" definitions
  89. 2005-06-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Freedom-IT meeting Tomorrow
  90. 2005-06-26 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] meeting minutes grant proposal comm.
  91. 2005-06-27 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] FOIL request status
  92. 2005-06-27 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Freedom-IT meeting Tomorrow
  93. 2005-06-27 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Free Software vs. Open Source
  94. 2005-06-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Supreme Court votes against Grokster
  95. 2005-06-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Free Software vs. Open Source
  96. 2005-06-27 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Open source: Licenses Free software: software?
  97. 2005-06-27 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Free Software vs. Open Source
  98. 2005-06-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Copyright Policy
  99. 2005-06-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Gorkster Analysis
  100. 2005-06-28 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Update: AMD files broad antitrust suit against Intel
  101. 2005-06-29 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Free Software and Open Source
  102. 2005-06-29 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Inservice
  103. 2005-06-29 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Inservice
  104. 2005-06-29 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Power Plays: The Phenomenon of Vendor Lock-in
  105. 2005-06-29 From: "MICHAEL L. RICHARDSON" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Inservice
  106. 2005-06-29 From: "J.E. Cripps" <cycmn-at-nyct.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Inservice
  107. 2005-06-29 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] inservice
  108. 2005-06-29 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Inservice - last call
  109. 2005-06-29 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Inservice - last call
  110. 2005-06-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Inservice - last call
  111. 2005-06-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Inservice - last call
  112. 2005-06-30 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Inservice - last call
  113. 2005-06-30 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Inservice - last call
  114. 2005-06-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Inservice - last call
  115. 2005-06-30 From: "J.E. Cripps" <cycmn-at-nyct.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Inservice - last call
  116. 2005-06-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Inservice - last call
  117. 2005-06-30 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Inservice - last call
  118. 2005-06-30 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Inservice - last call
  119. 2005-06-30 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Freedom IT Meeting Sun July 03, 2005 1:00 PM
  120. 2005-06-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Freedom IT Meeting Sun July 03, 2005 1:00
  121. 2005-06-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Inservice - last call
  122. 2005-06-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Free Software and Open Source
  123. 2005-06-30 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[NYLXS_-_HANGOUT]_Freedom_IT_Meeting___Sun_J?=
  124. 2005-06-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Freedom IT Meeting Sun July 03, 2005
  125. 2005-06-30 From: "MICHAEL L. RICHARDSON" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] new inservices
  126. 2005-06-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] new inservices
  127. 2005-06-30 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] new inservices
  128. 2005-06-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] new inservices
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