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DATE 2005-08-01

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MESSAGE
DATE 2005-08-27
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Free Software in Healthcare is getting playtime form Med Econoics

A VistA controversy

I'm a family physician who has successfully taken the code from the VA
Web site and implemented portions of it for my 15-physician
multispecialty group ["What about the VA's EHR," May 20]. Consequently,
I have fully explored many of the requirements and limitations of VistA.

The need for a $50,000-$100,000 server could not be further from the
truth! The software was initially developed for 1980's-90's hardware,
and therefore will run on almost any computer you may have. We're
running Linux as our operating system, and GT.M as our MUMPS environment
on a used Dell business server I purchased on eBay for $3,000. Our
application uses very little of the available computing power.

Having an open-source software package clears the way for competition
between installation and support venders. When CMS releases
VistA-Office, anyone will be free to take the technology and offer his
own package. This competition may drive costs down, but only time will
tell the bottom-line cost of implementing VistA in private offices.

Kevin Toppenberg, MD
Greeneville, TN

Though I found your article about EHRs useful, the segment about
VistA-Office contained some misconceptions. VistA does run on office
PCs, but not Windows PCs. The server needs to be a Linux PC running
GT.M, which isn't very expensive—you can get a high-end machine to
support a large network for about $3,000.

The challenge with all EHRs is installation and training for the nongeek
physician office. Because VistA is Linux-based, the availability of
skilled professionals is widespread, but it will take staff time to
acquire proficiency in applications.

It's misleading to say that any expertise in MUMPS is needed. Users
should really not tweak the underlying database software code, in order
to maintain compatibility with future VistA releases.

Daniel L. Johnson, MD
Menomonie, WI
Trustee, MetaStar

I'm astonished at consultant Mark R. Anderson's statement concerning the
need for an expensive server to run the MUMPS-based system. I have an
extensive background in medical informatics and a long history with
MUMPS and the VA software, and I can assure you that the AMD Athlon
(with 512Mb) I'm working on has more than enough power to run a
multiuser version of VistA for a private office.

It's not the cost of hardware that has stymied adoption of the EHR, but
the exorbitant prices charged for the software—which is
less-than-optimally functional. I attribute this to the fact that most
EHR software is written without input from experienced clinicians.

Martin Mendelson, MD
Rockville, MD

Mark Anderson responds: VistA is a good basic charting system that meets
around 75 percent of required functionality today.

The problem is that a practice will spend up to $100,000 for hardware
and components, including advanced formulary compliance, E&M coding,
clinical outcomes, clinical couplers, national best-practice guidelines,
and future interoperability requirements. In the end, who will develop
these additional requirements, and who will pay for them?

A system broken beyond repair

Over the past 20 years I have practiced defensive medicine—almost to the
embarrassment of my profession [" Malpractice: How fear changes
practice," April 8]. Nevertheless, I have had three malpractice
lawsuits. One of the cases went to court, and I won the verdict. Two
were settled for what I was told were small amounts, but that didn't
stop my insurance carrier from dropping me. Now I'm paying
two-and-a-half times the average premium for my specialty (internal
medicine), and I'm facing a possible fourth suit due to a very rare,
atypical presentation of an illness.

There are some outcomes that are impossible by human measures to avoid.
But try explaining that to a drooling attorney and an irate family.

The system is beyond fixing, and I can only see a complete meltdown
before anything changes.

Alessio C. Salsano, MD
Virginia Beach, VA

Think twice about this new rule

Beware of the new Medicare reassignment rule—it may lead you into a
Stark law violation. Under Section 952 of the Medicare Prescription
Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act of 2003, an independent
contractor physician engaged by a medical practice may now assign
Medicare payments for his services to the medical practice regardless of
where the independent contractor performs the services.

However, clarifications from CMS make clear that the new rule does not
alter existing physician self-referral prohibitions, such as those
included in the federal Stark law. In order to self-refer certain
designated health services (DHS), a medical practice must satisfy an
exception under Stark and its related regulations—most typically, the
in-office ancillary services exception.

One of the criteria required to fulfill this Stark exception is that the
services need to be performed in the same building where the referring
physician or member of the group furnishes services unrelated to the
DHS, or a location used by a group for the centralized provision of the
DHS for that practice.

Primary care physicians should carefully evaluate arrangements whereby
independent contractor physicians—such as radiologists—provide services
on behalf of their practices.

Ellen F. Kessler, Esq.
Keshia B. Thompson, Esq.
Ruskin Moscou Faltischek
Uniondale, NY

What do you mean, exactly?

I recently received a letter from the AMA inviting me to "Join today for
half price!" I'd let my membership lapse, so I read the promotion. Half
price? Hardly! The deal is, I get to join for the last six months of the
year and only pay for six months. What a bargain! That's not half price;
that's pro-rated!

Perhaps this explains some of the problems that exist between doctors,
insurance companies, and patients. If we don't know the meanings of some
of the words we use, our message is not clear. As a result, how can we
come to agreements on changes we may need to make in the delivery of
medical care?

For now, I'm saving my money—100 percent of it.

Debbie Heck, MD
Muncie, IN


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  5. 2005-08-02 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New Rating System for Open Source
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  8. 2005-08-03 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sources: Novell Plans to Open SuSE Linux Pro to Community
  9. 2005-08-03 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Never pay for software again
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  11. 2005-08-04 From: "Paul Marino" <pmarino-at-wagweb.com> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Never pay for software again
  12. 2005-08-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Never pay for software again
  13. 2005-08-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Free Software on the Healthcare Front
  14. 2005-08-05 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Never pay for software again
  15. 2005-08-05 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Never pay for software again
  16. 2005-08-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] RMS is looking for suggestions:
  17. 2005-08-05 From: "J.E. Cripps" <cycmn-at-nyct.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] RMS is looking for suggestions:
  18. 2005-08-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] RMS is looking for suggestions:
  19. 2005-08-05 From: "MICHAEL L. RICHARDSON" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] RMS is looking for suggestions:
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  25. 2005-08-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] One more article worth reading
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  28. 2005-08-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Worth Reading Part 1
  29. 2005-08-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Worth Reading part 2
  30. 2005-08-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Worthwhile Web Surfing Mood today
  31. 2005-08-08 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Worht reading Part 1
  32. 2005-08-09 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] 2005-08-09 Development Release: SUSE Linux 10.0 Beta1
  33. 2005-08-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRM issue
  34. 2005-08-10 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] FW: [suse-announce-usa] openSUSE now online
  35. 2005-08-10 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Linux on the desktop--almost there again?
  36. 2005-08-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] FW: [suse-announce-usa] openSUSE now online
  37. 2005-08-10 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Software Freedom Day 2005
  38. 2005-08-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Software Freedom Day 2005
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  47. 2005-08-12 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Know your rights, all three of them
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  55. 2005-08-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] I was just in the neighborhood and thought
  56. 2005-08-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Board Meeting on Thursday
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  61. 2005-08-16 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Kept Alive by Open Source
  62. 2005-08-16 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Software Freedom Day 2005
  63. 2005-08-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Software Freedom Day 2005
  64. 2005-08-17 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New worms hit U.S. media outlets, companies
  65. 2005-08-18 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Novell to open Linux R&D center in Beijing by year end
  66. 2005-08-18 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Enterprise Firewall for free!!
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  68. 2005-08-18 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Board Meeting on Thursday
  69. 2005-08-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Novell to open Linux R&D center in Beijing
  70. 2005-08-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: SuitWatch - August 18]Note on Web Casting below
  71. 2005-08-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: CareerBuilder.com Job Matches]
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  73. 2005-08-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRM in the news
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  77. 2005-08-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] SuSE 8.2 is gone
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  85. 2005-08-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Good News from the Middle East
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  87. 2005-08-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New Book on DRM reviewed in the NY Times
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  94. 2005-08-20 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Message to Texas .... and this is how it happens
  95. 2005-08-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: JobCircle Weekly Summary of New Jobs]
  96. 2005-08-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Important Meeting for the Chamber of Commerce
  97. 2005-08-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Book Publishing in the 21st Century
  98. 2005-08-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Business Loans
  99. 2005-08-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] More Jobs
  100. 2005-08-22 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Microsoft Woos OSDL for New Linux Offensive
  101. 2005-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Software Freedom Day 2005
  102. 2005-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Software Freedom Day 2005
  103. 2005-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] I wonder
  104. 2005-08-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: GTM on OSX WAS: [Hardhats-members] more M read questions
  105. 2005-08-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The unending development of human civilization
  106. 2005-08-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: [501techclub-ny] Seeking a Subcontractor]
  107. 2005-08-23 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The unending development of human civilization
  108. 2005-08-23 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: GTM on OSX WAS: [Hardhats-members] more M read questions
  109. 2005-08-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] W3C objects to U.S. Copyright Office's browser plan
  110. 2005-08-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: [501techclub-ny] Job Announcement Revision: Geekcorps Mali
  111. 2005-08-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Open-source Mambo project faces rift
  112. 2005-08-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Comic Book Poison from Denver
  113. 2005-08-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Free Software in Healthcare is getting playtime form Med Econoics
  114. 2005-08-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Imagine if it was a 110 story sky scraper
  115. 2005-08-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: JobCircle Weekly Summary of New Jobs]
  116. 2005-08-29 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Software Freedom Day 2005 Meeting!
  117. 2005-08-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Steve Jobs and the RIAAA
  118. 2005-08-29 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Software Freedom Day 2005 Meeting - Wed Aug 31, 2005
  119. 2005-08-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Digital Hope
  120. 2005-08-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Why the Patant Office needs new employees
  121. 2005-08-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRM is Theft King Kong Style
  122. 2005-08-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] You have a friend in China
  123. 2005-08-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Weiner Biography: This is not a endorsement
  124. 2005-08-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: [suse-security-announce] SUSE Security Announcement:
  125. 2005-08-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Nylug Meeting tonight
  126. 2005-08-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Invitation-IBM IT Lifecycle Management Competitive Briefings
  127. 2005-08-30 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Weiner Biography: This is not a endorsement
  128. 2005-08-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Weiner Biography: This is not a endorsement
  129. 2005-08-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Question for NYLXS board members]
  130. 2005-08-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: [Hardhats-members] Starting point for next OpenVistA
  131. 2005-08-31 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Software Freedom Day 2005 Meeting - Wed Aug 31,
  132. 2005-08-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Software Freedom Day 2005 Meeting - Wed Aug
  133. 2005-08-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The end of a city as we know it...
  134. 2005-08-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] In case you didn't notice...this is bad

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