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| DATE | 2007-07-30 |
| FROM | Amy Coleman
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| SUBJECT | Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The Unreachable Mayor's Office
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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:48:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: Amy Coleman
To: Ruben Safir
cc: Paul Robert Marino , email ,
Ron Guerin , hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com
Subject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The Unreachable Mayor's Office
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SI is part of the 5 boroughs so wouldn't that make it part of NYC????
-Amy
On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Ruben Safir wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 02:50:56AM -0400, Paul Robert Marino wrote:
> > Umm hmm
> > Then how do you explain the toll on the Verizano bridge?
> > People on Staten Island are charged to leave the island no matter where=
they
> > go unless we take the ferry into Manhattan
> > and the ferry is only free because Staten Island voted to succeed from =
the
> > city and the only reason we didn't is that the subject was tabled out o=
f
> > existence in Albany. before that we were charged for the bus, train, or
> > parking on Staten Island then charged for the ferry then charged for th=
e
> > subway once we got to Manhattan.
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> BTW - I have no idea how Staten Island became part of NYC, but Brooklyn
> join NYC on the CONDITION that access to Manhattan would be developed and
> maintained. That was the deal. It was cost the City of Brooklyn the dev=
elopment
> of its entire central business district which was subjegated to Manhattan
> development. How about paying to CROSS the Verrazono and then having to =
pay
> an ADDITIONAL 20 bucks because you have to share the fucking road with a=
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> bunch of gonzos from Conneticut, Westchester and Jersey.
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> Ruben
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> >=20
> > Oh also I agree with Ray on the whole Black Sticky residue. I can remem=
ber
> > when i was a teenager and I was doing a carpentry internship at the sou=
th
> > street seaport. twice a week we would have to scrub a nearly one inch t=
hick
> > layer of black sticky filth off all of the railings and decks in all o=
f the
> > closed off out door areas of the ships.
> >=20
> > As to the Mayor I'm staying out of it because my opinions of the Guilli=
ani
> > administration differ severly from your.
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > On 7/25/07, Ruben Safir wrote:
> > >
> > >On Wed, Jul 25, 2007 at 09:23:56PM -0400, email wrote:
> > >> I hear you, defiantly, but living on 1st ave is 10 times worse than
> > >> living on the edge of the Gowanas Expressway which I did for 18 year=
s.
> > >
> > >First, there are 2 issue. The first issue is that anything which
> > >seperates Brooklyn from Manhattan is a violation of the City's
> > >sovernity, and I will not brouch it. The 5 boroughs are 1 city, and
> > >we have the right to free travel anywhere in our city, without any oth=
er
> > >considerations.
> > >
> > >Secondly, I'm at LICH, right off the Gwonas Expressway, just before it
> > >heads under the Promanade. The trafic nighmare for New York is from t=
he
> > >Toga Line that comes in over the Verazzano Bridge, from NJ, from the B=
QE
> > >and LIE from Nassua and Suffolk county. I've been subsidizing those
> > >pin heads access to NY via car for decades. Just shut off non-residen=
tial
> > >driving PERIOD, and the problem stops.
> > >
> > >No more 20 block traffic jams to the Lincoln Tunnel, no more parking l=
ot
> > >past Shea Stadium, no more...
> > >
> > >If you don't live here, don't DRIVE HERE.
> > >
> > >I have no problem with that. I do have a problem with the fcuking MTA
> > >screwing me every day and a brainless Manhattan Centric Mayor telling =
me
> > >that
> > >I'll be treated like someone from Baldwin.
> > >
> > >Ruben
> > >
> > >>
> > >> That said there is better than Kings Hwy on a busy day. Traffic suc=
ks
> > >> anywhere in this town, but you're forgetting Manhattan gets it from =
all
> > >> angles, not only LI which kills Brooklyn. We get NJ too.
> > >>
> > >> And yes, moving is an option, one I'm not quick to do. ut next time=
we
> > >> grab a beer in the village I'll show you the inch of soot, rubber &
> > >> asphalt dust on my windowsills that settles as quick as I can wipe i=
t.
> > >> Pray for my lungs!
> > >>
> > >> :-)
> > >>
> > >> Ruben Safir wrote:
> > >> >On Wed, Jul 25, 2007 at 08:51:27PM -0400, email wrote:
> > >> >>>we had him treat Brooklynites as second class citizens with the
> > >> >>>congestion pricing crap
> > >> >>while I see your point, this program has worked wonders in London
> > >which
> > >> >>is where he got it from. And living in Manhattan is a nightmare w=
ith
> > >> >>deadly levels of toxic air and noise pollutants, so I have to say =
I
> > >> >>welcome it HUGELY. I am seriously considering moving out of state=
due
> > >> >>to the toxicity of Manhattan, not to mention the danger the traffi=
c
> > >> >>brings.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>Now I will admit, Brooklyn will suffer from the parking hordes, wh=
ich
> > >I
> > >> >>hated in the 80's and are exponentially worse now.
> > >> >
> > >> >Brooklyn carries all that traffic ANYWAY. I will not sit here and =
be a
> > >> >second class
> > >> >citizen in my own city. I have every right you do as a Manhattan
> > >> >resident. If they
> > >> >want to make it a residence driving only city, no problem. But to =
make
> > >me
> > >> >equal
> > >> >to Hackansak is utter bullshit.
> > >> >
> > >> >And frankly Ray, I love you, but if you don't like traffic, moving =
out
> > >of
> > >> >Manhattan is an option.
> > >> >
> > >> >Ruben
> > >> >
> > >
> > >--
> > >http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Interesting Stuff
> > >http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
> > >
> > >So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, li=
ke
> > >Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world -=
RI
> > >Safir 1998
> > >
> > >http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI
> > >Safir 2002
> > >
> > >"Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"
> > >
> > >"The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers =
to
> > >our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our=
own
> > >society."
> > >
> > >"> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be
> > >damned.<
> > >You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology hav=
e
> > >been attacted at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I gu=
ess
> > >you missed that one."
> > >
> > >(c) Copyright for the Digital Millennium
> > >
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> --=20
> http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Interesting Stuff
> http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
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> So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like =
Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI S=
afir 1998
>=20
> http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Saf=
ir 2002
>=20
> "Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"
>=20
> "The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to =
our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own =
society."
>=20
> "> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damne=
d.<
> You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have b=
een attacted at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess yo=
u missed that one."
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> =C2=A9 Copyright for the Digital Millennium
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