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DATE 2007-08-23
FROM Ron Guerin
SUBJECT Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fair Use, anyone?
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Ruben Safir wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 23, 2007 at 04:50:52PM -0400, Ron Guerin wrote:
>> This is a question for Ruben, but I'm sure he'd prefer to answer it
>> publicly, so I'm going to ask it here.
>>
>> What do you make of this?
>> http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2007/08/worlds-largest-.html
>>
>> This girl was convicted of filming 20 seconds of a movie. Doesn't that
>> seem ... uhm... un-Constitutional? If twenty seconds doesn't fall under
>> Fair Use, what does?
>
> Was it in the theater when filmed, or from a VHS? She has an idiot lawyer since we SAW
> Time Warner film by a camcorder 20 seconds of Sipiderman I film as an EXAMPLE of Fair Use
> at the DMCA hearing.

She filmed 20 seconds of it while in the theater on her digital camera.
Note that we're not even talking a camcorder, we're talking those
"videos" digital cameras make. Odds are her camera didn't even have the
capacity to record more than a few minutes. The theater had her
prosecuted. The DA claims to have been "pressured".

> So should we form a protest and get ourselves arrested as well?

I'm not pretending to know much about this, which is partly why I've
brought it up. Obviously you didn't read the article yet, but to give
you the executive summary, the MPAA has been getting a law passed making
it a serious crime to record in a movie theater, and a specific theater
chain pressed charges against a 19 year old girl in Virginia to make an
example of her over 20 seconds of video she was bringing home to her
little brother. I don't know if New York has such a law, I don't know
if that chain operates in New York. But you've answered my question,
which is why I asked you. You're the guy I know who'd know that Time
Warner did something even more sophisticated and presented it as an
example of Fair Use at trial.

- Ron

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