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DATE 2007-08-23
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fair Use, anyone?
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On Thu, Aug 23, 2007 at 06:08:14PM -0400, Ron Guerin wrote: > Ruben Safir
wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 23, 2007 at 04:50:52PM -0400, Ron Guerin wrote: >
>> This is a question for Ruben, but I'm sure he'd prefer to answer it >
>> publicly, so I'm going to ask it here. > >> > >> What do you make of
this? > >> http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2007/08/worlds-largest-.html
> >> > >> This girl was convicted of filming 20 seconds of a movie.
Doesn't that > >> seem ... uhm... un-Constitutional? If twenty seconds
doesn't fall under > >> Fair Use, what does? > > > > Was it in the
theater when filmed, or from a VHS? She has an idiot lawyer since
we SAW > > Time Warner film by a camcorder 20 seconds of Sipiderman
I film as an EXAMPLE of Fair Use > > at the DMCA hearing. > > She
filmed 20 seconds of it while in the theater on her digital camera.
> Note that we're not even talking a camcorder, we're talking those >
"videos" digital cameras make. Odds are her camera didn't even have
the > capacity to record more than a few minutes. The theater had
her > prosecuted. The DA claims to have been "pressured". > > >
So should we form a protest and get ourselves arrested as well? > >
I'm not pretending to know much about this, which is partly why I've >
brought it up. Obviously you didn't read the article yet, but to give >
you the executive summary, the MPAA has been getting a law passed making >
it a serious crime to record in a movie theater, and a specific theater >
chain pressed charges against a 19 year old girl in Virginia to make an >
example of her over 20 seconds of video she was bringing home to her >
little brother. I don't know if New York has such a law, I don't know >
if that chain operates in New York. But you've answered my question, >
which is why I asked you. You're the guy I know who'd know that Time >
Warner did something even more sophisticated and presented it as an >
example of Fair Use at trial.


Virgina is not far from here and I haven't been locked up for a while.

BTW - I'm flying out to SF next month and I hope to catch up with some
west coast friends. I have a 5 day conference on Pharmacokindtics and
Clinical Pharmacology.

As per Ruth Barcan Marcus, This the the URL for the original Wikipedia
entry.


http://www.mrbrklyn.com/resources/Ruth_Barcan_Marcus.html

Check this out

[edit] Moral Conflict

Marcus defines a consistent set of moral principles as one in which
there is some "possible world " in which they are all obeyable. That
they may conflict in the actual world is not a mark of inconsistency. As
in the case of necessity of identity, there was a resistance to this
interpretation of moral conflict. Her argument counts against a widely
received view that systems of moral rules are inevitably inconsistent. See
"Moral Dilemmas and Consistency" (Journal of Philosophy, 1980)(and
frequently published elsewhere).

[edit] Belief

It is proposed that believing is a relationship of an agent to
a possible state of affairs under specified internal and external
circumstances. Assenting to a quoted sentence (the disquotation account
of belief) is only one behavioral marker of believing. Betting behavior
is another. The wholly language centered account of belief (e.g. Davidson)
is rejected. Where an agent behaves as if an impossibility obtained Marcus
proposes that under those circumstances the agent, on the disclosure
of the impossibility should say that she only claimed to believe an
impossibility. In much the same way, when a mathamatecian discovers
that one of his conjectures is false, and since if it is mathetatically
false it is impossible, he would say he only claimed to believe it. Odd
as this proposal is, it is analogous to the widely accepted principle
about knowing: if we claim to know P, and P turns out false, we do not
say we we used to know it, we say we were mistaken in so claiming. See
"A Proposed Solution to The Puzzle About Belief" (Foundations of Analytic
Philosophy in Midwest Studies, 1981) and "Rationality and Believing the
Impossible" (The Journal of Philosophy, 1983 and elsewhere).



Want to email her?

Ruben


> > - Ron

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