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DATE	2007-08-23
FROM	Ruben Safir
SUBJECT	Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fair Use, anyone?
On Thu, Aug 23, 2007 at 06:08:14PM -0400, Ron Guerin wrote: > Ruben Safir wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 23, 2007 at 04:50:52PM -0400, Ron Guerin wrote: > >> This is a question for Ruben, but I'm sure he'd prefer to answer it > >> publicly, so I'm going to ask it here. > >> Theoretically, she has less fair use rights in a theater because she doesn't own the media. I don't know it that means she has no theoretical fair use rights. If she wanted to do a review for a school nespaper, or expose a rape scene for a report or article, then what? Ruben > >> What do you make of this? > >> http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2007/08/worlds-largest-.html > >> > >> This girl was convicted of filming 20 seconds of a movie. Doesn't that > >> seem ... uhm... un-Constitutional? If twenty seconds doesn't fall under > >> Fair Use, what does? > > > > Was it in the theater when filmed, or from a VHS? She has an idiot lawyer since we SAW > > Time Warner film by a camcorder 20 seconds of Sipiderman I film as an EXAMPLE of Fair Use > > at the DMCA hearing. > > She filmed 20 seconds of it while in the theater on her digital camera. > Note that we're not even talking a camcorder, we're talking those > "videos" digital cameras make. Odds are her camera didn't even have the > capacity to record more than a few minutes. The theater had her > prosecuted. The DA claims to have been "pressured". > > > So should we form a protest and get ourselves arrested as well? > > I'm not pretending to know much about this, which is partly why I've > brought it up. Obviously you didn't read the article yet, but to give > you the executive summary, the MPAA has been getting a law passed making > it a serious crime to record in a movie theater, and a specific theater > chain pressed charges against a 19 year old girl in Virginia to make an > example of her over 20 seconds of video she was bringing home to her > little brother. I don't know if New York has such a law, I don't know > if that chain operates in New York. But you've answered my question, > which is why I asked you. You're the guy I know who'd know that Time > Warner did something even more sophisticated and presented it as an > example of Fair Use at trial. > > - Ron -- http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Interesting Stuff http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 "Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME" "The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own society." "> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damned.< You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have been attacted at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess you missed that one." © Copyright for the Digital Millennium