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DATE 2007-08-23
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fair Use, anyone?
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On Thu, Aug 23, 2007 at 06:08:14PM -0400, Ron Guerin wrote:
> Ruben Safir wrote:
> > On Thu, Aug 23, 2007 at 04:50:52PM -0400, Ron Guerin wrote:
> >> This is a question for Ruben, but I'm sure he'd prefer to answer it
> >> publicly, so I'm going to ask it here.
> >>


Theoretically, she has less fair use rights in a theater because she doesn't
own the media. I don't know it that means she has no theoretical fair use rights.


If she wanted to do a review for a school nespaper, or expose a rape scene
for a report or article, then what?

Ruben


> >> What do you make of this?
> >> http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2007/08/worlds-largest-.html
> >>
> >> This girl was convicted of filming 20 seconds of a movie. Doesn't that
> >> seem ... uhm... un-Constitutional? If twenty seconds doesn't fall under
> >> Fair Use, what does?
> >
> > Was it in the theater when filmed, or from a VHS? She has an idiot lawyer since we SAW
> > Time Warner film by a camcorder 20 seconds of Sipiderman I film as an EXAMPLE of Fair Use
> > at the DMCA hearing.
>
> She filmed 20 seconds of it while in the theater on her digital camera.
> Note that we're not even talking a camcorder, we're talking those
> "videos" digital cameras make. Odds are her camera didn't even have the
> capacity to record more than a few minutes. The theater had her
> prosecuted. The DA claims to have been "pressured".
>
> > So should we form a protest and get ourselves arrested as well?
>
> I'm not pretending to know much about this, which is partly why I've
> brought it up. Obviously you didn't read the article yet, but to give
> you the executive summary, the MPAA has been getting a law passed making
> it a serious crime to record in a movie theater, and a specific theater
> chain pressed charges against a 19 year old girl in Virginia to make an
> example of her over 20 seconds of video she was bringing home to her
> little brother. I don't know if New York has such a law, I don't know
> if that chain operates in New York. But you've answered my question,
> which is why I asked you. You're the guy I know who'd know that Time
> Warner did something even more sophisticated and presented it as an
> example of Fair Use at trial.
>
> - Ron

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