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| DATE | 2006-05-23 |
| FROM | Ruben Safir
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| SUBJECT | Re: [Balug-talk] [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Its a sorry day for The Linux Journal
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Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 10:27:22 -0400
From: Ruben Safir
To: "Michael T. Halligan"
Cc: balug-talk-at-lists.balug.org, hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com, rms-at-gnu.org
Subject: Re: [Balug-talk] [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Its a sorry day for The Linux Journal
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Nothing like good ole fashion troll bait.
On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 07:19:00PM -0700, Michael T. Halligan wrote:
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> >> Oh, so you disable the functionality, and consider it usable?
> >
> >
> > See, Michael, if you bothered to understand what you were talking
> > about,
> > you wouldn't make embarrassing errors like that:
> >
> > Flashblock is a Firefox extension that substitutes a good-looking
> > "Play"
> > icon for any Macromedia Flash page inclusion sent with your HTML.
> > _If_
> > you also have a Flash player installed, you then have the option of
> > hitting the Play button for any Flash code actually of interest to
> > _you_, as opposed to something merely dumped at you by an advertiser.
> >
>
> I'm very familiar with flashblock. I just don't use it like you do.
> It exists in firefox
> for me to block advertising. However, I don't find the need to use
> this for
> preventing flash from hosing my desktop. If I ran Linux, then I
> probably would, but
> then again, I'd probably be too busy restarting X right now to type
> this e-mail.
>
> I often see this as an example for linux bigots to say "hey, web
> browsing is fine in Linux.. Just
> make sure to turn off Flash .. and Java Script .. and Java applets ..
> and Images .. and Video". To
> me, that's very sub-par. Linux would be a great desktop alternative
> if this was 1996, but it is not.
>
> > Pay attention, now, because this is just a wee bit subtle, and plainly
> > you weren't bothering to read properly the first time I said it:
> > If you
> > _don't_ have a Flash player installed, you still win, because
> > advertising sites will (upon doing a browser check) think you _do_
> > have
> > a player, avoid sending you the animated-GIF advertisements you would
> > normally have gotten, and instead send Flash (which you then don't
> > have
> > to be bothered by).
> >
> > Apple doesn't want to give you that degree of control. They're too
> > busy
> > withdrawing features:
> > http://george.hotelling.net/90percent/digital_music/
> > features_lost_in_itunes_upgrades.php
> > ...and taking formerly open source software proprietary:
> > http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/05/17/closesdown/index.php
>
> You seem to have some issues with control.
>
>
> >
> >> Sounds like the typical linux desktop experience to me.
> >
> > Funny, _your_ stuff sounds like typical MacOS cheerleading for
> > depriving
> > the user of control over his/her computing environment and then
> > calling
> > it a feature, to _me_.
>
> You call it control. I call it cheap hacks in order to fix broken
> functionality. Sure, twm
> works as a window manager, but it's hardly a a rich desktop experience.
>
> While I'm being productive, managing a few hundred "Open Source"
> Linux servers, with
> my evil closed-source Apple, you're jumping up and down in a skirt
> with pom-poms,
> to the tune of "Rah Rah Rah, Open Source, Rah Rah Rah" .. I just
> don't have the time, if
> you do, I've got a thousand tasks I could give to you. I haven't
> washed my car in a couple
> of weeks, perhaps you could find an open-source way to do that?
>
> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damned.
>
> >> I've never used a G3 iBook, but then again, those are about 5
> >> years old
> >> at this point.
> >
> > Yes, did I mention that, with Ubuntu Linux, performance doesn't
> > suck? I
> > only do hardware upgrades on _my_ timetable, sir, not the Church of
> > Steve's.
>
> So basically, you're running severely outdated hardware, and trying
> to get more functionality than
> is capable. To make up for it, you run a third party operating
> system, and turn off the functionality
> that you cannot get out of the intended operating system?
>
> If you *really* want to make the case that open source doesn't bloat
> as time goes on, like every other
> operating system, then I'm all ears.
>
>
>
>
>
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