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From: "Michael T. Halligan"
Subject: Re: [Balug-talk] [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Its a sorry day for The Linux Journal
Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 13:14:33 -0700
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Bah. ALL open source window managers suck. That's why I use OS X. It
works, it doesn't spawn 50 unknown daemons that all re-invent every
standard
unix wheel (ever wonder why exactly GNOME needs a 50MB process to
resolve and cache DNS?) . Rich web media doesn't cause it to fall
over. Oh,
and it doesn't c rash.
Michael T. Halligan
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On May 20, 2006, at 6:51 AM, Ruben Safir wrote:
>On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 05:49:39PM -0400, Ruben Safir wrote:
>/etc/rant - The Spirit of Open Source
>By Nicholas Petreley
>Created 2006-02-23 02:00
>
>
>How dare Linus Torvalds recommend that people use what's best?
>Dang. I had intended to rant about wikis this month, but Dave Taylor
>covered the topic thoroughly and did a much better job than I would
>have. See his article "Why I Don't [strike]Like[/strike] [edit: Get]
>Wikis" in this issue.
>
>There's plenty of other things to rant about, however. There's the
>schizophrenic, religious and hypocritical zealotry of free/open-source
>advocates that often gets more ink than the sane attitudes that are
>more
>prevalent in the development community itself.
>
>Take the irrational fear of Java and its gatekeeper, Sun, as an
>example.
>Do you realize there are people who still insist that the only
>acceptable version of Java is a clean-room open-source implementation
>that (they presume) cannot be controlled by Sun? Did you also know
>that,
>according to Evans data, the vast majority of Linux developers uses
>Java-based Eclipse as their favorite integrated development
>environment
>(IDE)?
>
>I'm using the Java-based Jedit to write this column. I use Jedit
>because
>I think it is the best editor on the planet. Ask me if I'm afraid that
>Sun will send the Java police after me to collect a license fee.
>No, ask
>me what I would do if Sun did that? I'd gladly pay up. Why? I told
>you.
>I think Jedit is the best editor on the planet and I want to use it.
>
>Do you know what Linux developers named as their second favorite IDE?
>KDevelop. That's right, the KDE-based IDE that depends upon the
>evil Qt.
>Sure you can use the GPL version of Qt, which requires you to share
>your
>code. But Qt is evil because you have to pay license fees to its
>creator, Trolltech, if (and only if) you want to sell a closed-source
>proprietary application based on Qt.
>
>GTK, on the other hand, is good, because you can sell closed-source
>proprietary applications based on GTK without having to give anything
>back to the people whose work you exploited in order to make your
>money.
>Don't take my word for it. When I talked to Ximian's Miguel de
>Icaza, he
>named the LGPL license as the reason why people should choose GTK and
>GNOME over Qt and KDE. And it is the LGPL that allows people to
>exploit
>the work of the developers of GTK and GNOME without having to
>compensate
>them with money or source code.
>
>In view of this, it is beyond me how GTK and GNOME remain the poster
>children of open source for so many open-source advocates.
>
>What is the spirit of open source? It is the GNU General Public
>License.
>The idea is that if you publish software that integrates someone
>else's
>publicly available work (work licensed under the GPL), you are
>required
>to make your additional work available to the public as well.
>
>The Linux kernel is based on the GPL. NVIDIA violates the GPL
>because it
>keeps some of its Linux kernel driver code secret. The end result is
>that you will "taint" the kernel if you use NVIDIA's closed-source
>kernel module. Shame on NVIDIA. It isn't sharing like it's supposed
>to.
>
>Fine. I agree with that. But how can you go from there to saying
>GTK is
>good because it allows--no, invites--you to do what NVIDIA does? The
>whole point of the LGPL is to allow you to add something to GTK
>without
>having to compensate the GTK developers with either money or source
>code.
>
>Don't get me wrong. Personally, I couldn't care less what motivates
>people to use Qt, GTK, Java, Python or the practically useless GCJ
>(GNU
>Java compiler). What irks me is when someone advocates inferior
>solutions purely in the name of open source, especially when those
>so-called open-source solutions so clearly violate the spirit of open
>source.
>
>If you want a good example of the right attitude, look no further than
>Linus Torvalds, Linux creator. You don't have to agree with his
>methods
>or his decisions, but I don't see how anyone can impugn his motives.
>Here is a man who cares about what's right and what has practical
>value.
>
>So what are we to make of the fact that Linus Torvalds criticized
>GNOME
>and recommended KDE? Here we have the creator of the Linux kernel
>criticizing what many see as the poster child of open source and
>recommending the evil Qt-based KDE. Why would our open-source hero say
>such a thing? Because in his opinion (an opinion I share), the GNOME
>design is so bad it should be considered a disease.
>
>You don't have to agree with him, but it's plain that his
>recommendation
>is based on his opinion of what works best. There's no sign of
>misguided
>zealotry or religion in that recommendation. Use what's best. What a
>concept. Linux developers seem to get it. It's about time the
>open-source zealots got it too.
>
>
>Nicholas Petreley is Editor in Chief of Linux Journal and a former
>programmer, teacher, analyst and consultant who has been working with
>and writing about Linux for more than ten years.
>
>
>
>Links
>source URL: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8825
>
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