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DATE 2007-03-01

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DATE 2007-03-08
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Bad News or Voice over IP
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I hate verizon. There has to be something that can done about this.


Ruben

On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 08:16:47PM -0500, Ruben Safir wrote:
> Vonage Told to Pay Verizon $58 Million Over Patents (Update6)
>
> By Jeff St.Onge and Amy Thomson
>
> March 8 (Bloomberg) -- Vonage Holdings Corp. must pay $58 million plus monthly royalties to Verizon Communications Inc. for infringing three patents on Internet-telephone service, a federal jury ruled. Vonage shares fell to a record low.
>
> Verizon, the second-largest U.S. phone company, asked for a court order banning Vonage's use of the inventions following today's verdict in Alexandria, Virginia. The order would cripple Vonage by blocking its customers' calls to standard phones, Verizon lawyer Peter McCabe said. A hearing on Verizon's request was set for March 23.
>
> ``This is a big negative surprise'' for Vonage, said Clayton Moran, an analyst with Stanford Group in Boca Raton, Florida, who rates the shares ``hold'' and doesn't own them. ``It makes it more difficult for an already challenged business to get to profitability.''
>
> Verizon sued money-losing Vonage in June, claiming it lured away more than 1 million Verizon customers by copying voicemail and other services, as well as a method for allowing Internet calls to reach traditional phone lines. Vonage's sales more than doubled to $607.4 million last year, compared with New York- based Verizon's $88.1 billion.
>
> Shares of Vonage fell 19 cents, or 3.8 percent, to $4.86 in New York Stock Exchange composite trading, the lowest closing price since they were first sold to the public in May for $17 each. Verizon rose 80 cents, or 2.2 percent, to $36.48, bringing the past year's gain to 13 percent.
>
> Reversal Sought
>
> The jury found that three of five disputed patents were infringed and all five are valid. Vonage, based in Holmdel, New Jersey, said it will appeal and would ask for an immediate stay of any order halting its use of the technology. The company had accused Verizon of using the lawsuit to stifle competition.
>
> ``We expect that verdict to be reversed,'' Vonage said in a statement. ``In addition, we don't believe there is any basis to support Verizon's request for an injunction.''
>
> Vonage has said it has the ability to design around Verizon's inventions, said John Rabena, a patent lawyer with Sughrue Mion in Washington who has followed the case.
>
> ``If there's an injunction and Vonage has a design-around, it could keep that part of the business,'' Rabena said. ``Verizon is in a pretty decent position to get an injunction.''
>
> The damage award is less than the $197 million Verizon sought during the two-week trial. Vonage argued that if the patents were infringed, it owed no more than $69 million. Vonage reported last month that its 2006 net loss widened to $286 million from $261 million a year earlier.
>
> `Significant Victory'
>
> ``This is a significant victory for Verizon,'' Verizon lawyer Daniel Webb said in an interview. ``If a company's infringing our patents, they can be held accountable.''
>
> The infringed patents cover a method for translating calls between an Internet network and the standard telephone network, call-waiting features and wireless fidelity, or Wi-Fi, handsets. Vonage was cleared of infringing two patents related to billing systems designed to prevent fraud.
>
> The royalties set by the jury of four men and four women are 5.5 percent for each Vonage customer line per month. Vonage said it has 2.2 million subscriber lines.
>
> The jurors rejected Verizon's argument that the infringement was willful. A finding in Verizon's favor would have allowed the company to ask that the damage award be tripled.
>
> `We're Satisfied'
>
> ``We're satisfied that the jury found the patents were infringing,'' Eric Rabe, a Verizon spokesman, said in an interview. ``That was our argument all along.''
>
> Sprint Nextel Corp. separately is seeking cash compensation and a court order to stop Vonage from using disputed technology. Matt Sullivan, a spokesman for Reston, Virginia-based Sprint, declined to comment on the Verizon case.
>
> The case is Verizon Services Corp. v. Vonage Holdings, 06-cv-682, U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia.
>
> To contact the reporter on this story: Jeff St.Onge in Alexandria, Virginia, at jstonge-at-bloomberg.net Amy Thomson in New York at athomson6-at-bloomberg.net
> --
> http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Interesting Stuff
> http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
>
> So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
>
> http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
>
> "Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"
>
> "The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own society."
>
> "> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damned.<
> You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have been attacted at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess you missed that one."

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http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Interesting Stuff
http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software

So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998

http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002

"Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"

"The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own society."

"> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damned.<
You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have been attacted at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess you missed that one."

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